You are confusing something. Gas chambers did exist, but not the evaporator/steam systems. The Nazis perfected mass murder using poison gas.
The only "gas chambers" that existed were for delousing old clothes, blankets etc. I've repeatedly shown that the "homicidal gas chambers" myth was just part of Allied propaganda(1) and Holocaust Industry nonsense. Have you forgotten that the British cracked to German Enigma code and while there were executions by hanging and shooting but no mention was made about "gassing"(2) Finally, please note the following facts: EXCERPT: • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims. • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS! • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus. • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED (3) (1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts” http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED 15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606. (2) "The Enemy Is Listening!" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028 EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley: The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates, mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings."CONTINUED (3). “The Problems of Mass Gassing” http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
Nope, the Nazis operated various gas chambers in occupied Poland. They used engine exhaust fumes and experienced staff in the Reinhard Camps. The staff was trained by the euthanasia murders where Hitler ordered to kill disabled persons using carbon dioxide.
Firstly, You're confusing carbon monoxide with carbon dioxide Secondly, I've just produced hard evidence that the German run homicidal gas chambers did not exist: - No work orders, blueprints or photos of one: “The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers’” http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p103_Faurisson.html EXCERPT “Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" there is nothing: no contract for construction, not even a study, nor an order for materials, nor a plan, nor an invoice, nor even a photograph. In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced.”CONTINUED - Absolutely no mention of homicidal gas chambers in secret, German radio transmissions - Not one autopsy showing death by carbon monoxide or cyanide poisoning - Not one order from Hitler ordering the mass extermination of anyone - There's an order by a Major Miller ordering the arrest and charge of perjury for any inmate claiming the existence of "homicidal gas chambers": “The Holocaust Myth” http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/holocaust EXCERPT “Major Miller of the Allied Military Police HQ in Vienna signed memo/order #31/48 on Oct. 1, 1948 declaring that since the Allied Commissions of Inquiry had established that no one in the 12 German concentration camps was killed by poison gas, that any former inmate maintaining otherwise was to be arrested and charged with perjury.” CONTINUED
https://ia800801.us.archive.org/7/i...reispruch für Hitler (1988, 233 S., Text).pdf No source to verify your claims!? Earlier you mentioned your mother (?) was Polish. Naturally, you defend the Poles and shove all blame on the Germans. Understandable, but the truth needs to be exposed and that means, the Poles during WWII killed anywhere up to hundreds of thousands of Polish Jews! Read.... "Poles fatally betrayed most of country’s Jews in hiding from Nazis, study claims Devastating research by Warsaw-based group indicates ordinary citizens played a role in hundreds of thousands of deaths — significantly higher than previous estimates." https://www.timesofisrael.com/poles...s-jews-in-hiding-from-nazis-new-study-claims/ https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/01/21/poles-and-jews-before-wwii/
The damned Zionists are biting like mad dogs right now. They are in a blood frenzy at the moment, because Palestine is violently defending itself against the occupation. For them, almost every nation has killed thousands of innocent Jews.
Thanks for the correction. They actually used carbon monoxide. From "Mannesmann" gas bottles. You quoted the Holocaust denier association IHR. That's no "hard evidence". Please look at this: https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/or11-camps-hearsay/
Re: Actually, I quoted from several different sources. Besides, IHR draws from original sources such as: the Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606 which confirms that the Allies fabricated the homicidal gas chamber story simply to demonize and demoralize the Germans. Your source is self contradictory, purely speculative and provides no hard evidence that Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor functioned as "death camps" For example none of Kurt Franz's photos show the "death camp" area so how could it show the homicidal gas chamber? Is there a sign stating "Gas Chamber"? Suggesting that everyone listed on a transport list was executed is purely speculative. They were not killed there. They were simply transferred someplace else: “Another Holocaust Lie: 1.3M Jews Sent to Treblinka, Other Camps, Not Killed, They Were Transferred Elsewhere” https://www.therussophile.org/anoth...-killed-they-were-transferred-elsewhere.html/ EXCERPT “Some Jewish historians dismiss these and other statements by Himmler by saying that the Nazis used code words to hide their genocide of European Jewry. This theory does not explain why Himmler used explicit written orders for his other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. It is absurd to think that Himmler hid the genocide of European Jewry behind code words, while his other crimes were clearly stated in writing. Since the Allies claimed that Nazi Germany had a program of genocide against European Jewry, numerous documents contradicting the genocide myth were hidden or destroyed by the Allies. However, enough documents exist to disprove Longerich’s assertion that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were exterminated.” CONTINUED Alleged documents for excavating equipment, too, is not proof of a mass murder scheme. These alleged documents do not even indicate that the end destination was Treblinka. I've already produced Air Photo evidence that debunks the holocaust myths: Air Photo Evidence http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html Treblinka Mass graves for the alleged 700,000 to 1.2 million victims of this camp would have required 40 times as much space as the witnesses state was available. The ground in the camp area shows no traces of former building foundations, large mass graves or burning pits. The Bottom Line To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed. Your source claims that: "...investigations at Sobibor and Treblinka are still ongoing." however two thorough ground excavations have been completed and they have found no mass graves: 1. “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust” https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363 EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves."CONTINUED 2. "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves" https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED If about 850,000 people were murdered, buried, dug up, burned and their charred remains reburied, an enormous area and a huge amount of fuel would have been required yet absolutely nothing has been found except for a few marked Christian graves.
If I look for "Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606", I come across names like Zundel and Mark Weber. Both are well-known HC deniers. Can you please provide me a link where I can get the original document?
On page 606, (see below*) a British P.O.W., Charles Coward relates that "everybody knew" about the homicidal gas chambers via air dropped propaganda pamphlets and radio propaganda messages delivered by Anthony Eden who was part of Britain's propaganda ministry. Nowhere did anyone actually see a homicidal gas chamber, inmates just "knew" of them via Allied propaganda. Additionally, the post war books written by Churchill, Eisenhower and de Gaulle make no mention of homicidal gas chambers or a German genocidal agenda nor does the Red Cross(1). Why? (*) https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_war-criminals_Vol-VIII.pdf (1) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross" The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054 EXCERPT "In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED
I hope if you read on of the testimony of Charles Coward you will note that when questioned as to the exact location of the "homicidal gas chamber" you will note that he claims that it was in the town of Auschwitz about 200 feet from the main train station. No historian on any side of the debate claims that to be in the least bit accurate. In other words, former inmates either deny the existence of homicidal gas chambers(1) or lie, contradict each other as well as the facts. I hope that you will also note that IHR uses original documents and relates what they say accurately. It is for that reason that I consider it a credible source. (1) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml - EXCERPT " An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads." CONTINUED (2) - EXCERPT " A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later." CONTINUED
The point is this thread exists because certain anti Israelis want to demonize all Jews and as part of that question the holocaust having exterminated 6 million Jews an issue that happened in Europe not the ME. Its an example of how people who hate Jews can couch it as a discussion on the ME.
I don't think so. Former inmates are inaccurate because they experienced all of this under a psychologically stressful situation. Their own life hung by a silk thread. Their testimonials can only be used in their entirety as consistency is important. However, experienced lawyers and historians can handle this very well.
You make it very easy for yourself. I'm anti-Israel indeed, but not anti-Jews. Equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is a Zionistic lie to delegitimize criticism of Israel. Right now the Zionists are behaving like rabid dogs again. F*ck Israel! Long live Palestine, In shaa ALLAH!
Thanks for the link: https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_war-criminals_Vol-VIII.pdf I've read that and what Mr. Coward said seems to be authentic to me. He was in the main camp, not in Birkenau where the gas chambers and crematoria did exist. Inmates of the main camp had to do forced labor. The inmates of Birkenau were destined for death. The fact that the Brits dropped propaganda material from airplanes does not affect the real existence of the Birkenau killing compound.
You're welcome for the link. There are thousands of pages of testimony over the post war years that comprise the Soviet style Nuremberg "Trials" that were so fraudulent and corrupt in their proceedings that even Eisenhower's more ethical brother condemned them as: "...a black page in the history of the world..."(1) and US Supreme Court Judge said: "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas." - US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone No one knows how many German POWs were murdered in these corrupt publicity proceedings over alleged killings via the "vaporizer" (2) and other outright lies so it's important to remember that Charles Coward etc wanted to cast the Germans in the worst light possible even if it meant lying about homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers. Finally, the captures Auschwitz Death Ledger indicates that there was a grand total of 68,864 people(3) who died of all causes and more Catholics died at Auschwitz than Jews. The Death Ledger lists deaths by disease, old age, natural causes, shooting and hanging but there's no mention of death by gassing. Why would you believe an imaginary number of 1.1 million deaths as claimed by the Holocaust Industry over a figure cited in an authentic document? (1) "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials" http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/ QUOTE: "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…" Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED (3) “Deaths at Auschwitz, 1942” http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf EXCERPT “More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz. That is the plain testimony of these Death Books. We Reject.... It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of 19427 . That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable. Likewise Mr Jan van Pelt averred that ‘In 1942, two hundred thousand Jews were gassed in buildings 1 and 2.’8 There cannot have been anything like such numbers arriving: and the Death Books have around onethirtieth that number of Jews die in that year! These texts tend to claim that huge numbers of Jews arrived without being registered (and were gassed right away), however we would rather stick to documented data. Grand Total: 68,864 deaths” CONTINUED
You are welcome to read any of my comments contained in any thread and even though I oppose Israel's current ethnic cleansing and reject the standard holocaust narrative you'll find no anti Semitic sentiments in anything I've written.
Maybe not anti-Semitic, but you seem to be a fan of the Hitler government at that time, which had Germany in a stranglehold.
No, I am not a "fan of the Hitler government". I simply can think for myself and attempt to look at history objectively. As I've said repeatedly, I don't believe that any race, religion or nationality is exclusively good or evil. I've served in the US military and experienced combat so I've seen, first hand, that the first casualty of war is the truth. Since it is the victors who write the history and everyone used / uses propaganda, what we are left with is ongoing Allied and Holocaust Industry propaganda. What should alert any thinking person are the "Holocaust Denial" laws that prohibits open discussion and honest examination of that tragic era in about 16 "democracies". The truth doesn't need protection while a lie cannot survive without it. If the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry is corrupt enough(1), (2) to cheat holocaust survivors, it would lie to individuals gullible enough to believe it. (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
Why ongoing? Nazis did lose long ago. There's no reason to fight their false ideology anymore. Do you think that Nazis would come back to life? Not in the US, bro. They were never popular there. Some Germans may still love them and see them as part of their history. That's the reason why Nazism and Holocaust denial is forbidden in Germany.
Hey pitbull... Check out some of the info in post #2 of this thread. http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
Just flipping through the thread... I think the Mennonites should also have their own country... gone shopping!
Big hug, dear Grau!! I'm glad you survived the war and are here to defend the truth about the war against Germany, my birth country. One of these days you'll have pb ready to eat out of your hand!!
I'm not talking about Nazis but about the German people whom you, as a Pole, don't seem to like and are willing to believe any outrageous lie as long as it slanders Germans even though the Poles persecuted Jews before, during and even after the holocaust (*). By "ongoing propaganda" I specifically mean the hyper demonization of all Germans during the 20th century and especially the WW 2 era by many of the same nefarious MSM and same Zionist movie moguls you condemned in another thread when you wrote: "That's your belief, narrative of western MSM and Zionist war propaganda. But this isn't the truth. "(1) If you believe that there is a false narrative promoted by Western MSM and Zionist war propaganda concerning the Israeli occupation, why is it so hard to believe that there is a false narrative promoted by the same organizations when it comes to WW 2 and the holocaust? Hollywood movie moguls have been saturating the media "evil German" nonsense as mouthpieces of US propagandists in the OWI (Office of War Information) since the 1940s(2) More recently, Spielberg deliberately misrepresents historical facts to make the Germans look worse(3) while some of his Hollywood co-propagandists go to even greater lengths to perpetuate the fraudulent, standard holocaust narrative & demonize the Germans who behaved no worse than any other participant in the war. (*) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’" "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust" https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/ EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland. The declassified report was distributed Thursday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the same day that a Polish law making it a crime to accuse the Polish nation of Nazi-era atrocities took effect. Also Thursday, senior Israeli and Polish diplomats met in Jerusalem in a bid to resolve differences over the law." CONTINUED (1). http://www.politicalforum.com/index...etween-gaza-and-tel-aviv.587914/page-39#post- 1072652555 (2) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps" https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/ EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war. But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED (3) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates" https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light. The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two. One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED
Unfortunately, anti-Semitism was and is widespread across Europe. Some Poles hate Jews but they never committed genocide on them. Only the Nazis did. I'm a german citizen and live in Germany for over 40 years. My German fellows are decent people, not Nazis nor Jew-haters nor HC deniers. You can't compare that. WW2 is over, so WW2 propaganda lies are no longer necessary. Instead, there's an ongoing genocide in the Middle East that the Zionists try to hide from the world.
