Am I that homophobic man that refuses to change or accept?

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  1. Yant0s

    Yant0s Active Member

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    To start I'm not homophobics it's a slightly misleading title.

    But I suppose I am non-binaryaphobic. I just don't believe it. I believe their are two genders male female. Sex is same as gender and that is my belief.

    Obviously there are people who chalange my beliefs and say there are 100s of genders, but that doesn't mean I have to change my beliefs to align with another's just because they say so...

    Does this make me like the homophobic dinosaur from the past who refused to accept?

    Or is there nothing wrong is staying firm to your beliefs and not accepting something someone is trying to force onto you that feel in the bottom of your heart is wrong?

    I respect people's beliefs but I feel I don't need to accept it or act as if it is true.
     
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    As long as you are not abridging any one else's lawful rights and privileges, you can think anything you want.

    It's a lot easier to accept if you think of gay people as American Citizens first - gay second.
     
  3. Yant0s

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    This post doesn't have anything to do with gay people lol.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gender, by definition, is a social construct... so technically you can believe or disbelieve whatever you choose. Sex is innate and there are two, male and female (plus intersex but that is not a normal state so technically three).

    Homophobia has nothing to do with gender identification.
     
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    I don't buy non binary either. It seems like a way for white straight people filled with animosity towards their own race and sexual orientation to identify as a minority.

    95% of so called "not binary" people I've encountered are white straight female feminists. The other 5% are white lesbians.
     
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  6. Yant0s

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    I know. I think you missed the point.
     
  7. sec

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    why would you have a fear of homosexuals? Has one done something to injure you or cause financial harm?
     
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    Then don't accept it but don't get in the way either.....

    If you don't like the gays...Don't be gay.
    If you don't like abortion don't have one.
    If you don't like Tacos dont eat them.

    Its a free country.
     
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    A curious mind is an evolving mind - and the world is evolving. You can choose to open your mind and learn all you can about the subject and the people involved, or you can hold on to your beliefs - as long as you are not causing harm to others.
     
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    So, first, I would say that not understanding the concept of pansexuality is somehow homophobic. I would agree, there are two biological sexes. How those two sexes interact, who cares? Folks can attempt to modify to their own spec what they feel comfortable with, but the way I look at it is, genetically, we have coding that makes us the way we are. If some feel that their own will can change or modify that in any real way is fantasy. I have nothing against fantasy, but it doesn't change the fact that it is still fantasy. If you're genetically tested, your genetic makeup won't change irrespective of whatever hormonal or surgical route you might take. You are either XX, XY, or XXY. That doesn't leave a lot of variable permutations, does it....
     
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    jay runner Banned

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    In a natural setting there's no time or detergent for pan. You throw the freshly killed game directly on the fire, or piece it with a stick and cook it more slowly over the fire
     
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    The fist sentence here should read... "so first, I would say that not understanding the concept of pansexuality as being homophobic is not what I would consider to be homophobic. "
     
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    You cannot hate someone who is a homosexual!!
    This is driven by dozens of genes !!
     
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    I don't think you are. This non-binary thing, methinks, is pushing things too far. It's okay to have boundaries, and I share yours.
     
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    I strongly believe that respecting someone's life choices is the greatest gift we can give them.

    For example, when I was in college, my grandmother was diagnosed with terminal cancer. She accepted that and did not want any life-saving measures or treatments done. That absolutely contradicted my desire for her to fight it. She didn't want to deal with, laying in bed in Hospice, feeling sick all the time, hours upon hours of chemo. I wanted her to fight. She chose not to. I finally accepted that was her choice. It's her life and her decision to make. I honored that (as hard as it was) until the day she passed away.

    Bottom line is...we don't have to understand or accept another person's choices. The goal, ideally, should be to care for them anyway. Granted, it's hard, but at the end of the day we want others to respect and honor the choices we make so why not extend the same courtesy?
     
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    No one is asking you to accept or believe anything. What LGBTQ people and their allies such as myself ask is you educate yourself about the issue and the challenges that they face. And if after that, you still can't see yourself clear to support their cause, then just stay out their way and don't try to block their rights. Oh yes,and be respectful. They are human beings.

    As far as homophobia goes, we need to define the term. Obviously it involves fear-a phobia- but of what. I think that in most cases it does not mean fear of the LGBT individual, although that happens. In most cases-maybe in your case- it is fear of a changing, more inclusive society. It is the fear that the heterosexual, cisgender people will not long have the exclusive right to legitimacy and somehow, that detracts from your worth and legitimacy. Am I getting close to home here.? The fact is that rights and legitimacy are not zero sum games . There does not need to be winners and looses . We can all be winners. Just based on your need to create this thread tell me that you have a lot of soul searching, and learning to do.
     
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    WHAT!!??
     
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    Choice?
     
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    No. If someone fall in harmfull behavour such drug consumption, that's not a "gift" to respect that kind of choice. In the specific choice you mention, that's a very honourable way of accompanying someone in her last moments.

    I don't care of gay, lesbian or transgender people, or people with a thousand genders. For the last case, I just avoid to interact with them as much as possible. I don't care of all their gender pronoun lunacy, and dislike them for wanting me to get interested in that.

    I'm more worried about all the transgender hype, if an adult want to take life changing drugs and surgery, I don't approve it, however I red some articles about parents not accepting that there children were "transgender" and that does bother me that kind of things are enforced on young children. On some other cases, apparently, some children start to get at a very early age gender reassignement "therapy".
    That's a very problematic.
     
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    You might want to read up on biological aspects of transgenderism as well as familiarize yourself with the best practice protocols of the medical and mental heal communities in addressing the issue of gender dysphoria in children, You might then actually know what your talking about
     
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    There are a lot of people that transitioned when they were younger that regret it later in life. And it does do physical harm.

    So I perfectly understand people's trepidation with regarding transition for children.
     
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    Good news. You aren't homophobic. You are transphobic. People can identify and feel like the opposite sex. That is what is meant with the distinction between gender and sex. Gender is used to mean what you identify as. Now if you believe gender should only mean biological sex, then we are just debating definitions at this point. What matters is the distinction between gender identity and biological sex.
     
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    First of all sex is not the same as gender.

    There are dozens of sexualities..... Heterosexual homosexual bisexual asexual...the list goes on. and the vast majority of them have scientific evidence backing them as legitimate sexualities. Asexuality for example has dozens of studies showing that people can have absolutely no sex drive at all which is what it means to be asexual.


    But for the non binary genders and stuff like that, I have to agree with the OP. There are male and female. That's it. Now that is not to say there can't be someone who is in between. there are people who have chemical imbalances and hormonal imbalances which cause them to be one gender technically while having certain traits of another gender such as a male with breasts, or some other example. But to be honest it's gone way too far I saw one girl who claimed that she was a horse and that she identified as a horse, and she claimed that she was persecuted on the same level as gays and lesbians and transsexuals, because people don't recognize her as a horse.
     
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    a famine soul could be put in a male body and visa versa.....

    I see nothing wrong with it as long as the couples are consenting... heterosexual marriage has about a 50% success rate, Trump was married 3 times... if one finds real love... good on them (some just marry for money)
     
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    I guess we'll have to change the public restroom options. ;-)
     

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