Army Records at Odds With Occupy Vet's Claims

and the plot thickens...seems this veteran's claims that he saw combat are dubious at best...



Army Records at Odds With Occupy Vet's Claims
November 23, 2011
Buffalo News|by Stephen T. Watson

The claims of a dedicated member of the Occupy Buffalo movement that he saw combat in Iraq and Afghanistan are not supported by Army records.

Christopher M. Simmance has told several media outlets, including The Buffalo News, that he served as many as three tours of duty in those war zones and that he was severely injured in Afghanistan.

Service records obtained from the Army, however, show he was stationed at Fort Lewis, Wash., for three years and he left the active-duty Army in January 2001 -- before the 9/11 terror attacks.

Simmance insists his Army records are incomplete. He told The News he stands by his claims of seeing combat.

"Everything I've told you is completely true; I've got nothing to hide," Simmance said in one of three interviews.

People close to Simmance told The News they initially believed his claims of wartime deployments but they grew disenchanted when they discovered he was exaggerating his military service.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article645035.ece

 

No surprize here.

 

Surely you're not suggesting "means to an end", emotion based leftists would employ fallacious "appeals to authority" logic to generate credibility within their ranks....

?

 

Wow. You know your fallacies. Good for you. Someone who knows the no no's of debate is a breath of fresh air. However, I'll bet you pull your hair out when watching politicians on the news.

 

I devised a drinking game surrounding just that....
turned me into a raging alcoholic.

(recovering...5 years sober, BTW.)

 

If he were a Tea Party Patriot, he would be famous by now thanks to Keith Oberman and Rachel Madcow.

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2008/02/24/veterans-denied-health-care-over-discharge-errors/

Veterans Denied Health Care Over Discharge Errors

 

Nobody likes a quitter.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...h-care-over-discharge-errors.html#post4746706

There are 2000 veterans who's discharge papers are screwed up.. and they are denied healthcare.

 

I bet Jesse MacBeth stood by his claims for a while, too...

 

Simmance is just one of some 2000 veterans being denied services because of screwed up discharge papers.

 

Does Simmance claim he was in the military past 9-11-2001?

What he told the news media is that the served in combat in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Are you saying the the official Army records are that far off?

 

Read the link from Veterans Today... its about Simmance and other veterans.

 

I hope for Mr. Simmance's sake that his story checks out better than MacBeth's (or is that al-Zaid?)...

 

I read the link but as usual the lib news media left out some important details.

Simmance claims he did 3 combat tours in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If so what discharge date does he claim to have?

The story doesn't say.

Nor does it say which countries are listed on his passport and what dates he was there.

The lib news media is very incompetent.

 

Are you claiming that Veteran's Today is a LIBERAL publication?

 

Yes.

What makes you think it isn't?

They hire the lowest paid journalists coming out of the lib journalism schools and they are as brainwashed as the rest of their tribe at CBS or the Washington Post.

 

Hahahaha.. your accusations never stop, do they?

Here's a link to military passports.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_836.html

 

What is that supposed to prove?

It does not tell us anything about Simmance's passport to show if he was in Iraq or Afghanistan or not.

 

Do you even know what a DD-214 is?

I'm not disputing veteran's records get lost, but frankly his story does not add up...
did you bother to read the article I cited?

Defend him all you want, I have doubts about his claims of being Special Forces combat veteran with only 10 years to live...that's what he claimed in an interview by the way and gave locations where he served that don't exist.

His story doesn't add up, and neither do the Army records relating to his discharge and service record.

Read the article I cited before ranting on about being "unfair" to him.

Words from his own mother for crissakes...

"I cannot confirm any of what he said," Denise Simmance, his mother, told The News

good Lord you Libs will defend Judas if it means saving face...

The guy exaggerated his military record...get over yourselves...

 

Hey Herkdriver....JUST JUNK IT! I said junk it you miserable cuss! Hahahaha

Just watched Mystery men the other night. LOL

Anyways, I just wanted to say that given the track record of the MSM in this nation, I wouldn't rush to judgement on this.

After all, it's not like there are not those (liberals) infesting our media who are above making crap up to create a story.

Or like there aren't certain liberals infesting our media who couldn't read a dd214 correctly if someone's life depended upon it.

And then, there's the fact that there are two versions of the document, and well again, there are quite a few in the MSM, who I have zero doubt don't know the difference between the two.

Because, it is entirely possible that this guy really did serve in Iraq or Afghanistan or both, and was stationed in Ft. Lewis too.

How's that possilbe you say, let me explain how.

Depending upon the guy's MOS, and the unit he was assinged/attached too, he could have been deployed to theater along with his unit for a time.

And if his unit is normally based out of Ft. Lewis, a redacted copy of this guy's dd214 will show the unit he is attached too, and where it's based out of.

His long form though, would tell us certain things, that would settle that one real fast however.

For example.

IF he was wounded in theater, in combat, as he claims then he should have a purple heart.

He would certainly be eligible for one, and if not awarded one, should be filing to get awarded one.

Such an award would cite where he was wounded at, and the circumstance surrounding his wounding.

Also, both Iraq and Afghanistan have been awarded campaign medals, so even though his unit was based out of Ft. Lewis, IF at anytime his unit deployed, and he along with it went to one or both of those theaters, he should have also been awarded a theater ribbon, such as my own Kuwait ribbon for example.

All in all I'm not saying this veteran is telling the truth, not saying he's lying either.

I'm just saying I don't put much stock in the media today, or in it's ability to accurately research, and then report on, such a story.

After all, it wouldn't be the first time, some liberal in the media was out there writing stories making accusations against veterans and got the facts wrong.

Haditha ring any bells anyone?

Fwiw though. Given this "veteran" is allegedly a supporter of these OWS idiots, I personally would not be in the least bit surprised if the media actually did get this one right, and this guy is lying like a rug about his/her service.

Either way, I hope the long form dd214 comes out eventually. Hence why I, will be the first to call on this veteran to release their long form dd214.

However that said.

In a way, it can be said that this is really a moot topic anyways.

Because whether this veteran served stateside, or overseas or on the moon or elsewhere.

So long as their discharge is characterized as an honorable discharge.

In my own humble two cents worth, it would be rather refreshing to see.

Because this vet, would be the first OWS parasite I've seen, who IS actually owed, by our government and the people of this republic.

And the first, who actually can make the argument, that they deserve at least in part, some of the handouts from the government the rest of these OWS parasites demand.

Such as a paid for secondary education, and or healthcare. Don't get me wrong I don't support these OWS leech's one bit. But the FACTS are the FACTS, and the FACT is, our government as it's always done it seems, has made certain promises to our veterans, which it is and has failed to deliver upon.

 

He claims he was severely wounded.
Purple heart?

Where is it?

Where are his awards?

an endorsed passport? that's all he's got?

No photos, medals, awards...just an endorsed passport.
He should have been given a Member 4 copy of his DD-214?

Ok where is it?

Oh right that's "misplaced also."

 

Clearly the jackass is phoney baloney. Unfortunately, we have such impersonators all the time, though not quite with as many tall tales as this one. But we do see folks pad their recollection of their service all the time, either claiming combat that did not happen, awards, units served in, etc. We see it from across the political spectrum, although the more blatant lies seem more abundant with the left.

That such pretenders will always be with us, the bigger tragedy IMMHO is that the MSM pays little heed to it when it comes from the left. Look at John Kerry.

 

That does it. I'm fed up with all the lying and misdirection on this posting. I'm going to occupy this thread and I going to poop on Christopher M. Simmance. For all the REAL 99% who believe in civil discourse, the truth, etc.. I poop...

 

You are exactly right.

The claim is that it is possible Simmance is telling the truth.

Yes, but the facts as we know them do not support Simmance and so far no one has presented any credible evidence that the Army is wrong.