Army: Up to 25,000 National Guard in DC for Biden inauguration

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  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This next thing is an OPINION, and I expect you will dispute it, but it is my strong opinion.

    My opinion of Trump is as a very flawed man, but a man who espoused policies that that he believed were best for America. I do not hold that same opinion of Nancy. I believe that she too is a very flawed person who is not motivated by the national good, but instead, by politics only. That’s how she comes off to me, and that’s how I see it.
     
  2. Curious Always

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    I used to agree with your opinion of Trump, but over the last two years, it became increasingly clear that he only cares about his own image. The behavior since March sealed it, and the behavior since November was just icing on that cake.
     
  3. stone6

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    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you should know that MOST of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 were "politicians." The colonies had their own charters, general assemblies, etc. BEFORE the revolution, the primary causes of the revolution were taxation without representation in the English parliament and their right to expand their colonies westward. They had other gripes listed in the Declaration, but had been willing to negotiate them prior to the Declaration. When the King declared them to be in rebellion and sent troops to Boston to quell the insurrection, they had little choice other than to declare their independence. [I should say "we" had no choice...my own ancestors fought on the side of the revolution.]
     
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  4. Seth Bullock

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    I think that is a part of his flawed personality, but I don’t think his policies on the national issues like immigration, trade, taxes, defense, 2nd Amendment, SCOTUS picks, were motivated by his own image. I think those are things that very flawed man believed in.

    By contrast, I see Nancy P as a stone cold political operative who regards the issues not as things that truly matter to her, but as tools to use for political advantage.
     
  5. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of the signers were full time professional politicians. For most of them, serving the country was a personal and financial sacrifice.

    If the Founders could see what we have in Washington 230 years later, they would roll over in their graves in disgust.
     
  6. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She's in my top 10 list of sleazy Congress creatures.
     
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  7. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Historically, there was a time we "glorified" the founding fathers. IMO, the brilliance was in the Constitution and its checks and balances and I believe that brilliance was due to the fact they were politicians and understood all too well the nasty side of human nature. Washington, for instance, was one of our greatest heroes and simultaneously one of the best politicians of the day. He took an active role in colonial government and the Virginia militia, serving with British officers during the French and Indian Wars. He basically married into wealth and grew his fortune by his involvement in government and land speculation to the West. The British had largely paid for the conduct of the French and Indian Wars. In 1764, the King issued a proclamation banning colonial westward expansion roughly between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River, which was given to the Indian tribes who had fought with the French. This allowed the British to avoid the expense of protecting the colonies and to continue with their own European Wars. That was a major reason for colonialists who were land speculators (as was Washington and one of my own ancestors) to favor independence from Great Britain. Tax without representation was a popular reason, but the British people in Britain were already paying more in taxes than the colonialists, so representation may not have corrected the tax situation, unless it managed to change British imperialism.
    No...I don't think they would have been that surprised. They had had an early experienced with Aaron Burr (VP) who killed Hamilton in a duel and in his escape from punishment tried to plot a take over of western territories with the Spanish. They had had the later experience of a Civil War, etc., etc.

    But, Historians played the "dark side" of Colonial America down (haven't even mentioned slavery yet) until the early part of the 20 century. Science, statistical analysis and the enfranchisement of African Americans and Women, along with the industrial revolution and immigration changed the traditional perspective. The few that still prefer the "traditional perspective" tend to be southern anti-federalists.
     
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  8. RodB

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    State election processes and laws have to abide by both the US Constitution and the state's constitution. PA and GA, at least, without doubt did not. The constitution say SCOTUS has original jurisdiction of conflict between states; it does not say anything about "border disputes." If Dershowitz claims that SCOTUS improperly ruled in Bush v. Gore, he is clearly wrong. SCOTUS ruled that the Florida's supreme court could not constitutionally and unilaterally change FLA's election laws (as PA did in 2020, e.g.), which they did, because constitutionally only the LEGISLATURE can. They also ruled that per Florida's constitution the FL supreme court did not have original jurisdiction when it unilaterally jumped into the fray.
     
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    Constitutions only state the law. They do not and cannot enforce the law.
     
  10. stone6

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    Well, we disagree. And, apparently, SCOTUS agrees with me. Better luck next time. But, don't feel bad. Eisenhower said the appointment of Earl Warren to the Court was the worse political thing he did. It led to the infamous Warren Court. Has the Court changed? Or, has the Republican Party?
     
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    Ah...but those who do are expected to follow the law and may be punished if they do not. An important concept to watch over the coming weeks.
     
  12. Seth Bullock

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    Regardless of all that, they had courage and grit, the likes of which 95% of today’s Congress will never know.
     
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    I am for investigating ALL fraud and irregularities regardless of where they occurred. How about you?
     
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    Human beings haven't evolved much over the last 200-300 years. Biologically, we're all pretty much the same. Courage and grit? Some did; some didn't. Some do; some don't.
     
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    Abbott on sending National Guard to D.C.: “I’ll never do it again if they are disrespected like this.”

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    “This is the most offensive thing I’ve ever heard.”

    Governor Abbott has some words for those public officials and lawmakers making disparaging remarks aimed at the National Guard securing Washington, D.C. this week – “This is the most offensive thing I’ve ever heard.” The FBI is vetting all 25,000 National Guard troops providing security for the week of Joe Biden’s inauguration.
    Governor Abbott authorized sending over 1,000 members of the Texas National Guard to D.C. Then Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy warned National Guard commanders to be on watch for potential inside threats from their members assigned to providing security for Biden’s inauguration. That didn’t sit well with many military supporters, including the governor of Texas.

    Governor Abbott voiced his disapproval of this kind of treatment toward members of the National Guard. If this additional level of scrutiny continues, don’t look to him to send troops to D.C. again.
    Enough is enough.

    Rep. Steve Cohen, a Democrat from Tennessee, was interviewed on CNN yesterday by former Obama staffer, Jim Sciutto.
     
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    :roflol:

    Domestic Terrorists have infiltrated the Guard and a Dozen have been removed from Inauguration Duty.

    One dozen national guard troops pulled from inauguration duties after vetting
    • Checks involved looking at ties to extremist groups
    • Two members earlier reportedly removed due to militia links
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...guard-members-biden-inauguration-right-groups

    Tl;Dr--Another Epic FAIL of Copypasta...:bored:
     
  17. doombug

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    A whole dozen out of 25,000? Hahaha! :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Of course. Will you accept the finding if they come out and say there was no fraud found, after you candidate loses?
    Reguardless of what the canditate claims?
     
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    Finding fraud is not hard. Proving criminal fraud is nearly impossible.
     
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    So.... send in the stormtroopers?
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    Lets say 25,000 is too much. What is the harm with troops hanging around? How can you be pro-military but you don't want them around?
     
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    Lol...imagine any of the trumps having had the class and love of their fellow man to do what Mrs Biden did after finding out about the parking garage snafu.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/jill-biden-troops-coronavirus/index.html
     
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    Strawman, there is fraud in EVERY election. Irregularities in every EVERY election. Do you accept that or not?
     
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    Sure. But not in the rhelm of 10 million overall votes. Or even Hundreds of thousands in any particular state.
    What is what is asserted here.
     
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    How much fraud is OK? How much was the difference in Florida 2000 which determined who would he President? There were elects this cycle that were won hy mere hand fulls of votes. Stop with the IT MUST BE MASSIVE canard.
     

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