Atheists Who Celebrate All The Good That God Causes.

Sailed? When was the ship ever here? I asked you to show it as soon as you made any claims about what these atheists believe. Mighty convenient that you allowed the "ship" to slip away. I'd say if you can't show it, then you don't actually have a leg to stand on, and your argument falls through.

How so? My point is that you can't seem to draw the line between them, so if you describe one, it tells me something about what you think about the other.

So? My point isn't that I'm going to create a catalogue of all beliefs held by atheists, my point is that I understand the structure behind the atheists' views to the point where I can consistently predict it. I'm not claiming that it is true for 100% of atheists, or that one can't modify one's belief, I'm merely saying that your claim of 99.99% of atheists is false, not only literally (which I think you already agreed to) but also figuratively. In fact, I think you'll be hard pressed to find even one (I may have to eat those words, I'm sure the odd person out exists).

If it turns out that I'm right, that in fact the majority of atheists believe what I suggest, then it shows that your understanding of why atheists say what they say, and what principles they adhere to is wrong, and they don't actually say anything inconsistent by pointing out 1-12.

Oh, so when the questions become inconvenient, you no longer take it seriously. Imagine if that was a good approach to any conversation. "Don't kill innocent people!" "Eh, I don't really take that seriously".

I don't see that puts me in any worse situation than it puts you. The "99.99%" of atheists you were talking about (which then turned out to be so few that you can't even find an example of it) could be lying to you (or, I think more to the point, you may have simply misunderstood what their position is).

I am well aware of this, and have been since the first post. Read the bit you quoted again. I'm not asking you to repeat that you will talk about hospitals rather than kelp, I'm asking you why you make that distinction. But here is the answer, and you have either failed to read my post or deliberately avoided answering it. Again.

 

I can tell you a few things you can expect. I am not doing it by imposing "authority" on you, certainly not any more than you are imposing on the atheists. However, I can provide the evidence of people showing me that I'm right about what most atheists think.

I have questioned the parts of the post that I think were wrong, are you suggesting that I am not in a position to do that? The behaviour of the atheists makes its way into the thread title and the conclusion of the OP, hardly a red herring.

It has everything to do with your opening post. It shows that the logic you present, your 14 points has nothing to do with the fact that atheists do not see fit to "join you in listing the good things God causes" or 'celebrate all the good that God does "if God does exist."', which is the conclusion of your OP.

I'm confused over you repeating your point about "asking" or "requesting". Are you under the impression that my points would at all be addressed by that wording?

We seem to have different understandings of what celebration means. Would you say that you "celebrate" 2+2=4? Do you think that others do?

 

36 pages of discussion on an assumption - that God exists. Would it not be better to prove the existence of God first. and then pose the question as to why atheists celebrate the good things God provides.
Should I celebrate Harry Potters victory over the evil Voldemort. Harry Potter must have existed because I've read about him and even been to his world near London.
Assumptions are just that - until proven true.

 

It does not matter what atheists believe.
It does not matter what principles they use.
It does not matter what you claim is consistent or inconsistent.
It does not matter how many atheists you can get to tell you what they believe.
It does not matter how many atheists that you claim are on your side.
Here is what does matter:
My 11 down there matters.
Many atheists DO say my 11
If they say 11, then it MUST follow that 12 and 14 are true.
There is nothing you can say that will prove this false.


{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle.
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

______________

"My point is NOT that God IS good or that God IS evil.
My point is that God PERFORMS both good and evil acts
based upon {6} through {14}. Remember {6} through {12}
is what atheist say --- {6} through {12} is NOT what JAG
says. I do NOT have to be consistent with a position
that I do NOT hold. But atheists do. Why? because they
DO hold {6} through {12} to be true and they DO advocate
for {6} through {12} all the time in threads on the
Internet At large."___JAG

____________

Good to see you back Swensson.

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
Remember many atheists DO say 11 is true, and if 11 is
true, then the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible
for cancer and Hospitals and the Red Cross. Fact.

JAG

 

False.
You do not know what the OP is about.
You have no clue.
Your reading comprehension has already been demonstrated to be poor.

Also you seem to dislike the subject of this thread.
You seem to dislike this thread. And the OP.
Are you aware that thread participation is 100% voluntary?
Is there some Force that is pulling you over here?
You do have a Free Will, do you not?
So you could choose not to read that which you claim
to believe is unnecessary.

Go start a thread on that.
What is keeping you from starting your own thread on what you
think is "better"?
This thread has got NOTHING to do with proving the existence of God.
Where is YOUR thread on that?

This thread is NOT about your "why."
Once again your reading comprehension is very poor.
You have zero understanding of what this OP is about.
But you post on it anyway.
You have not comprehended my many posts in this thread,
yet you continue to "hold forth" on the OP with your ignorance
regarding what the OP seeks to accomplish.
"Each man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."__Bob Dylan
Your posts demonstrates that truth perfectly.
You hear what you want to hear, and you disregard the facts

JAG States What many Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle.
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
Remember many atheists DO say 11 is true, and if 11 is
true, then the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible
for cancer and Hospitals and the Red Cross. Fact.

That demonstrates that you do not know what you are talking about.
That demonstrates that your reading comprehension skills are very poor.
You said previously that you had read many discussions between me and
Swensson ---and I have posted my 1 - 14 , , , MANY times, but you
IGNORED it and "saw only what you wanted to see."
It has been explained to you many times that some
atheists postulate that God exist for the sake of
argument and then they proceed to state my 6-12.
So? So for you to say "36 pages of discussion on an
assumption -- that God exists" is absurd nonsense.

JAG States What many Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.

______

{By the way, you do the same thing with your falsely claimed
knowledge of the historical background of the Bible. Your "facts"
are lies.}


PS
But "not to worry" you are surrounded by "your friends" and they
will "give you a pass" on ALL your ignorance and on ALL your
misreading of the OP and all the other clear explanations
that you choose to IGNORE and they will give you "Thank You's
because they are members of your atheist tribe and therefore you
can "do no wrong" in their eyes.

JAG

``

 

Taken completely out of context. If, if, if. Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. If Voldemort exists then we can assume the troubles of the world are down to him. But I don't know anyone who believes Voldemort exists.

Good heavens. This gets worse.

 

If it has nothing to do with the existence of God, why all the discussion. If God does not exist humanity is to blame for much of the worlds troubles, and illness is a natural phenomenon. After all didn't Jesus say that the man born blind's state was not the result of his fathers sins. If we are to accept the good things and the bad things as being from God, then we must question the morality of this God. And the first question I would ask is why he created a world so unstable that it regularly kills thousands of his creation, regardless of their status - parents, children, babies. Atheists, Agnostics, Christians.

 

2 + 2 = 4 does not have the same level of seriousness and gravity
as does my 11 down there -- and my 12, 13, and 14

JAG States What many Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle.
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

_________

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
Remember many atheists DO say 11 is true, and if 11 is
true, then the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible
for cancer and Hospitals and the Red Cross. Fact.

___________

You can't win this by a play on the word "celebrate."
I am merely asking and requesting that atheists
OBSERVE something and I am asking them to SAYSOMETING.
{1} observe something
{2} say something

I merely ASK them to SAY 14 if they SAY 11

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

This is 100% logical and 100% reasonable and it is impossible
to wiggle and squirm out of that up there.

Best.

JAG

``

 

If God exists then he is responsable for Hospitals and The Red Cross, he is also responsible for all the disease and injuries that make hospital necessary and all the wars that caused the creation of the Red Cross, Happy Now!

 

Remain ignorant.
Double down on your ignorance.
Continue to post as if the OP does not exist.
Continue to post as if all my many follow-up posts do not exist.
Continue to ignore my 1 -14.
Continue to ignore my 11
Continue to ignore my 14
Continue to hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest.


The fact that you can continue to state your incorrect claim is amazing.

Your incorrect claim is your continued insistence that this thread is about
the existence of God , , ,

, , , rather than being about this:

___________________________________________________________
I merely ASK them to SAY 14 if they SAY 11

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

This is 100% logical and 100% reasonable and it is impossible
to wiggle and squirm out of that up there.
____________________________________________________________


Continue to ignore that up there.
Continue to pretend you are a serious responder to the OP.

Where is YOUR OP on all that?
What does any of that have to do with my 1 - 14? Answer: NOTHING.
With my 11 ? NOTHING.
With my 14 ? NOTHING.
With my OP ? NOTHING.
All that is re-hashed Stephen Fry.--- "Bone cancer in children. What's that all about?"
All that is re-hashed Epicurus.
All that is re-hashed Dawkins,
This thread is NOT about your subjects of interest --- but don't let that stop
you from continuing to "hold forth" on your subjects that have NOTHING
to do with the OP and with this thread.
________

"then we must question the morality of this God"___trevor
So where is YOUR OP on that?
You could title it "The God Of The Bible Is Immoral."

JAG


``

 

No need to squirm out of it,
If God exists then he is responsible for Hospitals and The Red Cross, he is also responsible for all the disease and injuries that make hospitals necessary and all the wars that caused the creation of the Red Cross, Happy Now!

 

I didn't say the OP had anything to do with proving the existence of God. I pointed out that without the proof of the existence of God the whole discussion is pointless. Why discuss your hypothetical points. You are just assuming a God exists. None of your points are relevant to an atheist. I don't. Your post is just one big assumption that god does exist. As I said before it's rather pointless without knowing that God does exist. You can say 'If God.'.. to many things, but without proof it is simply useless chitchat.

My facts are lies? Then archaeologists, historians and even Christians are lying. Pull yourself together and do some study. You may find - no YOU WILL FIND - that you are the one who is lying.

PS We have hit a nerve haven't we. Perhaps 'my friends' gve me a pass because they realise that I have studied the Bible et and do know what I'm talking about. All I have posted can be found on line. When I started out many of those facts were simply suppositions. Time, archaeology, modern knowledge and reassessment of the OT as it was written 2,500 years ago has turned those suppositions into facts.

 

"do not see fit"___Swensson
They can come to "see fit."
They may not now "see fit."
But they may decide to "see fit" tomorrow.
If not tomorrow, then next week.
I can ASK them to change their minds.
I can REQUEST of them that they change their minds.
I can REQUEST that if they SAY 11, then I ASK that they also SAY 14.
This is 100% logical and 100% reasonable.

Please explain to me why this below is not logical/reasonable?
_____________________________________________________
I merely ASK them to SAY 14 if they SAY 11

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

This is 100% logical and 100% reasonable and it is impossible
to wiggle and squirm out of that up there.
_________________________________________________________


{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle.
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross


I can even REQUEST that they celebrate my 14.
They can say Yes or No.
Please explain why it is illogical or unreasonable for me to merely REQUEST that
atheists celebrate 14 if they SAY 11

Explain why it is illogical for me to merely REQUEST that atheists
who DO embrace my 11 , , "That means He is responsible for all that exists."
also SAY my 14 , , , since when they SAY my 11, they thereby DO embrace
the PRINCIPLE that is in 11 --- namely that "God is responsible for all that exists."

If 11 is true, then 14 is also true.

JAG

 

Let me guess any minute now you will be complaining and crying that atheists keep insulting you whilst you continue to post the above!

 

Then why are you over here participating in a pointless discussion?
Also just because YOU say the discussion is pointless, does NOT in fact
mean that the discussion is pointless. It means rather that YOU do NOT
understand the OP or the subject of this thread.

Why are you in this thread?
You do not even know the hypothetical points are the hypotheticals that
many atheists present --- and NOT , , , MY , , hypotheticals -- even
though that has been explained to you MANY times. You still double-down
on your ignorance.

Your ignorance of the OP and of the content of my many follow-up posts is astounding.
At this point, it is clear that you do NOT , , WANT , , to face my 11 and 14 or my 1 -14.
Rather you want to talk about OTHER subjects that are NOT on the subject of this OP.

Absurd nonsense.
Atheists in threads on the Internet At Large PROCLAIM . . 6 - 12 regularly.
You do not know what you are talking about and that is a FACT.
But "your friends" will "give you a pass" and still tell you how smart you are.

Absurd nonsense.
It has been explained to you many times.
If 11 is true.
Then 14 is also true.

Yet you are still here in this thread.
Participating in a pointless discussion.
Still ignoring my 11
Still ignoring my 14
Still ignoring 1 -14
Still ignoring the OP
Still ignoring my MANY follow-up explanatory posts.

YOU are no authority on what is, or is not, legitimate proof.
But if "useless chitchat" why are you here participating in
useless chitchat?

Your "facts" are not actually facts.
Your "facts" are the ant-Christian garbage spewed forth by
anti-Christian Liberals like Bart Ehrman who hates Christianity
and hates the Bible and is a Christian apostate -- just like you
are. You, like Bart, were once a Christian, but you played
the Judas Card and turned your back on the God that
created you and turned aside to follow anti-Christian
apostates like Bart Ehrman. You will regret the day you
made a Free Will choice to do that. Eternity is going to be
a long time and you are now 81 years old and you will
soon know the truth. By the way, your friends will not
"be there for you" on that day. You will be alone. If you
die from natural causes, it will not be long before, at
some point, your doctor shakes his head and walks away.
You will then be totally alone. To face Eternity without
the Lord Jesus as your Savior.

That is what YOU claim to be true.
It is False.
There are hundreds of orthodox Bible-believing Christians scholars
with earned Ph.D's from secular universities that disagree with
what YOU call "facts."

You pull yourself together.
You do some study. Read behind people other than
anti-Christian "scholars" who have already made up there
minds BEFORE they even "crack open a book" that they
are going to be AGAINST Christianity and against the Bible.

I can say the same thing to you.
You may find -- no YOU WILL FIND --- that you are the one
who is lying.

No "we" have not hit a nerve.
I pay zero attention to what you say and to what your little band
of angry frustrated atheists have to say --- which is just more
hate-filled outbursts of bile and venom and loathing passed off
as being an intellectual search for the truth.

If 11 is true, then 14 is also true.

No.
They give you a pass because "birds of a feather flock together"
and they know that YOU are "one of Them" and they will continue
to give you "moral support" and continue to give you their
"Thank You's" because you and Them belong to the same ideological
tribe of atheism.

Continue to ignore my 11
Continue to ignore 14
Continue to ignore 1 -14
Continue to ignore the OP
Continue to ignore my many explanatory follow-up posts in this thread.

JAG

``

 

Repent or burn, but you will soon be crying about your hurt feelings again, astonishing!

 

If anyone ever doubts why it is important to expose these fundamentalists for what they are just read this viscous and spiteful attack. So much part of their personality is invested in their god that they cannot bare to be challenged on their ideas. The internet might not be important but it sure brings out the worst in people!

 

False.
You have made a Free Will decision NOT to understand the OP
and NOT to understand my many follow-up posts.

And NOT to understand 11
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

And NOT to understand 12
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

_____________

You said previously that you had read many discussions between me and
Swensson ---and I have posted my 1 - 14 , , , MANY times, but you
IGNORED it and "saw only what you wanted to see."

It has been explained to you many times that some
atheists postulate that God exist for the sake of
argument and then they proceed to state my 6-12.
So? So for you to say, as you said previously,
"36 pages of discussion on an assumption -- that
God exists" is willful deliberate ignorance. You
have made a Free Will decision NOT to face the
fact that many atheists DO postulate that God
does exist for the sake of argument. You know
this is true -- you deliberately refuse to admit
the truth of it.

JAG States What Many Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle.
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross
___________

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

Remember many atheists DO postulate that God does exist for the sake of argument
and then they say 1 through 11 is true , , ,

, , , and if 11 is true then 14 is also true.

So?

So the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible
for cancer and Hospitals and the Red Cross.
Fact.

JAG

 

No atheist believes this. If they did, they would by definition not be atheist.

When we talk about your God, we can only look at him as a fictional character. The version of that character that you endorse can tell us a lot about you, not about any actual God that may or may not exist.

Actually, Hospitals and the Red Cross are done by humans. I think you'd be better off using rainbows or sunlight as an example.If you claim to credit your God for hospitals and the Red Cross, wouldn't you also have to blame him for murder and rape? These things are either the result of free will or they aren't, no?.

And for the last time, if you do both credit and blame God for cancer, natural disasters, and credit him for sunshine and rainbows, and pretty flowers etc, do you really think that can even out and make him overall Good, even when he has absolute unlimited power?

You still refuse to read the Book of Spiderman, don't you? With great power should come great responsibility. If God wasn't all powerful, then we could understand why stuff like cancer could exist. But if he's all powerful, and the guy purposefully made cancer exist, that's one evil deity, and no amount of rainbows or sunshine or pretty flowers could change that.

 

Just for your information I have never read Bart Erhman or other Chriistain Liberals. I have deliberately stayed away from either side of the argument and used books dealing with facts, history and archaeology - and of course - the Jewish Bible. (OT). You have never refuted any of my factual offerings except to refuse them without even researching them and explaining you reason. Could it be you have no reason.

JAG States What many Atheists Say: Your evidence for many? You've asked MANY or is it one of those 'I Guess how many?
{1) I am an atheist. I am an atheist
{2} i don't believe in God. Therefore I don't believe in God
{3} But He may exist. I don't believe he does.
{4} I can't prove He does. I don't believe he does
{5} I can't prove He doesn't. I don't believe he does.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent. Whatever the Bible says is simply man's imagination
{7} That means He is all powerful. Man's imagination again
{8} He could have created a different world. There is no God
{9} But He did not do that. There is no God.
{10} He created the world we now have. Irrelevant
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists. Ditto
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children. Ditto
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle.Irelevant
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross He doesn't exist.

If anyone agrees with Jags list he is not an atheist but an agnostic.

The above points are all relevant only to those who believe. It's a hypothetical situation set up by yourself for your own satisfaction. Your God is one of 100's of hypothetical Gods. We are nearer to proving that 'gods' are the products of superior earlier civilisations. The Biblical story of Adam and the genealogy regarding this myth is certainly problematic when we have proof of civilisations thousands of year before.

 

I have a very strong leg to stand on.
Here is that strong leg.
If 11 is true . . . then 14 is also true.

Totally irrelevant.
I ask them to change their structure.
They can say Yes or No.
I DO ask them to change their structure.
I DO ask them to state 14 if they state 11
This is 100% logical and 100% reasonable.

If 11 is true
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

Then 14 is true
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

It does not matter what atheists believe.
It does not matter what atheists NOW believe.
I ask , , ASK , , them to change their beliefs.
The can say Yes or No.
I can keep on ASKING.
If they post 6 - 12 in threads that I have every logical right to REQUEST that
they also state 14.

If they post 6 -12 in threads that means they posted 11 , ,

, , , and here is what 11 says:
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

And if 11 is true , ,

Then 14 is true
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

It does not matter what "their position is."
I ASK them to change their minds about what "their position is."
I make a REQUEST that they do this.
Do what?
Do this:
If they state that 11 is true , , then I ASK them to state that 14 is also true.

I am not sure I understand your question.
However, my position on this is quite simple:

If they post 6 -12 in threads that means they posted 11 , ,

, , , and here is what 11 says:
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

And if 11 is true , ,

Then 14 is true
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

JAG

Regarding your "hospitals and kelp" question:
I see it as totally irrelevant because 11
clearly says "That means He {God} is responsible for ALL that exists"
and that include kelp, hair, peat moss, cheese, chickens, cows, and
everything else.

We have a very simple idea here.
God is either responsible for ALL that exists , , or , , God is NOT.
If God is, then God is responsible for cancer and Hospitals
and the Red Cross and warm sandy beaches and your air
conditioner and your comfortable home.


``

 

Bart is not a "Christian liberal."
Bart is not a Christian.
He is a Christian apostate.
Like Judas.
A turncoat.

False.
Your "facts" are not facts.

.

False.
Atheists say 6-12 in Forums on the Internet At Large all the time.
You do NOT know what you are talking about.
Fact.

JAG

 

False.
You deliberately and willfully choose to refuse to see the truth of this
below:

JAG States What Many Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle.
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross
___________

This below is solid , ,
This below is airtight , ,
This below is water-proof , , ,
There is a principle stated in 11 , , ,
What principle?
The principle that God is responsible for all that exists.

{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.

{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

Remember many atheists DO postulate that God does exist for the sake of argument
and then they DO say 1 through 11 is true , , ,

, , , and if 11 is true then 14 is also true.

So?

So the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible
for cancer and Hospitals and the Red Cross.
Fact.

JAG

_________

Continue to evade and misdirect and deliberately cloud the issue.
Your "atheist buddies" are cheering you on.
That "little tiny band of angry venom-posting atheists" are on your side.
They will tell you how smart you are.
They will continue to give you their "Thank You's" : because you
are "one of them" --- "birds of a feather flock together."

Just remember this: They will NOT "be there for you" when it
really counts. When you lay dying on your Death Bed your "friends"
will NOT be there to comfort you. For one thing they have no
words of comfort for you or for themselves or for anybody else.

You at 81 will soon come to know if you have "played the
whirlwind" and have lost your soul. "What shall it
profit a man," said the Lord Jesus, "if he shall gain the
whole world and yet lose his own soul." Your "books"
and your so-called "facts" will be of no comfort to you
in the very near future. There are a mere 120 months
in ten years --- so its highly likely that you will find out
very soon if you made an eternally soul-destroying
choice/decision when you turned your back on the
God that created you and went after your so-called
"facts,"

JAG

 

You do not know that,
It is incorrect to claim that you know that God does not exist.
Why don't you prove it?
You made the claim.
You said point blank that "He doesn't exist."
That is a Faith belief.
The Reverend Trevor hath spoken.
The Reverend Trevor hath preached a sermon.
Twas a short sermon, but still a Faith-based sermon.
"He doesn't exist"___The Reverend Trevor

Prove # 1 to be wrong down below , , , and 2 through 8 will be yours to enjoy.

All you have to do is demonstrate with Empirical evidence that God does not
exist and thereby prove # 1 to be false.

{1} You can not demonstrate with Empirical evidence that God does not exist.
{2} If you could do that, you'd be a $ millionaire in just a few weeks.
{3} You would also win many secular awards and prizes.
{4} You would be on national television prime time constantly.
{5} You would be invited to be a guest on all the cable news channels.
(6) You would become the most famous man in all of human history.
(7} You would be the man that had, at last, eliminated Theism off the planet.
{8} Just think. You can eliminate:
Christianity
Islam
Judaism , , ,

, , ,off the planet once and for all , , ,
, , ,and all you have to do is just produce your evidence that there is no God.

Millions of dollars and world fame awaits the atheist that can prove there
is no God and vanish , , ,
Christianity
Islam
Judaism , , ,
, , ,off the planet once and for all.

Do this and Trevor will be the hero of atheism/Secularism world-wide.

But you don't really want the $ millions of dollars and world fame.

Yeah right!

___________

You would have to be Omniscient and Omnipresent in order to KNOW
that God does not exist.

You are neither.

So?

So you do not know that God does not exist,

JAG

PS
You posted a quote by Dookins that said Faith was dangerous.

Dookins cited 9/11 when the fanatics flew those airplanes into
those buildings. Come on Trevor, and prove that "He doesn't exist"
and rid the world once and for all of that dangerous Theism.

What's the matter? Don't you want to do Humanity a very important
service?

Don't you want $millions of dollars so that you can create
The Atheist Foundation to teach people that atheists like Dookins
ought to be worshiped as one of the gods of Secular Humanism?

Don't you want "world fame" so you can "get the message out there"
that Secular Humanism is the one true religion and the one true Faith?

{1} You can not demonstrate with Empirical evidence that God does not exist.

All ya gotta do is produce Empirical Evidence that # 1 up there is wrong.
Come on and "cough it up."

JAG

 

Just remember this: They will NOT "be there for you" when it
really counts. When you lay dying on your Death Bed your "friends"
will NOT be there to comfort you. For one thing they have no
words of comfort for you or for themselves or for anybody else.

You at 81 will soon come to know if you have "played the
whirlwind" and have lost your soul. "What shall it
profit a man," said the Lord Jesus, "if he shall gain the
whole world and yet lose his own soul." Your "books"
and your so-called "facts" will be of no comfort to you
in the very near future. There are a mere 120 months
in ten years --- so its highly likely that you will find out
very soon if you made an eternally soul-destroying
choice/decision when you turned your back on the
God that created you and went after your so-called
"facts,"

Were you there when Jesus said that?

Death is a fact of life I've had, so far, 81 years which I have mainly enjoyed. I don't have a belief in life after death, but who knows. The simple fact is that you rely on an unproven being for a future existence.On the other hand the Buddhists are aware of the FACT that the energy that keeps our bodies going cannot die. It changes form. They believe this becomes part of the universal energy. Is there a spirit world? who knows. Most religions seem to rely on some sort of life. There is no reason to suppose either way. Most certainly I do not believe in hell, and neither do many Christians now. It was a way of controlling the masses.

By the way it's quite usual for people like yourself to threaten in this way.

And your refusal of Facts is just proof that you have no idea what you are talking about. Biblical Genealogy puts Adam and Eve around 4000 BCE That date being known as Anno Mundi .(Year of the World- or its beginning) Unfortunately for your thinking there are civilisations and cities that stretch back farther than that. And that is recognised by Christians and atheists alike. It is a proven fact however much you deny it.

I've asked many Christians over the years one particular question - and never got a satisfactory answer that fits the actual facts. What actually happened to Jesus after his birth

Matthew puts the Family of Jesus in Egypt shortly after his birth to escape Herod. There he stays until Herods death. He is then taken back to Israel, but not to Bethlehem we are told, because of the new King -who was actually as bad, or worse than his father and got sent to Gaul as punishment for his deeds against the Jews. Instead he was sent to Nazareth. Now this is odd. Why specifically mention sending him to Nazareth instead, when that was Josephs home anyway..The trip to Jerusalem we are told is supposed to fulfil Hosea 1:1. This verse refers clearly and unequivocally to Israel. If it refers to Jesus then Jesus must have fulfilled the rest of the chapter, which is full of worshipping idols etc. Taking one verse out of context destroys the validity of the Bible. Matthew does this often.

Luke however puts the family in Nazareth 40 days after Jesus birth. This is the reference to Mary's cleansing after birth. There Jesus remains until he at least reaches adulthood (13). No mention of Egypt.

So where was Jesus? In both place at once? Another miracle? There was no way the family could have walked to Egypt and returned in 40 days give Mary's condition and looking after a newborn. Besides the child had to be circumcised on the 8th day and also to be redeemed at the Temple - being the firstborn son. Not only this but Herod the Great is still alive.

Odd, ain't it.

Forget the facts Jag and make it up as you go along.