Be Very Afraid!

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    IDIOCY !

    I'll have the vaccine, thank 'ee.

    You can have nothing or Covid, your choice.

     
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  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FREEDOM

    over YOUR politicized pseudoscience lockdowms
    YOU wish to live like the "Bubble Boy"

    is your FREEDOM choice
    Considering the evidence of the effectiveness of lock down without a surges

    Go Figure

    And The Vaccine only covers one of three Covid strains.
    Covid the original, Great Britain strain and South Africa too.
    Don't Enforce YOUR (bought) science on @Moi


    End The Lockdowns
    Restore Choice & personal FREEDOM
    or Go RED China style
    The in between does NOT work!
     
  3. TheAngryLiberal

    TheAngryLiberal Banned

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    Well, since you're such a Coronavirus Poo Poo'in tough person, why don't you prove us all wrong and start going into some high risk coronavirus infected areas without a Mask and purposely expose yourself to the Virus and teach us a lesson on how Brave you are and how Chicken I am, but if you get sick and they put you on a Ventilator, which hopefully you'll refuse, because it's all a Hoax, You won't make a Video like this Sissy below.
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Chairman Ping's thoughts give me heightened immunity
    I wasn't going out in 2021 anyway
     
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  5. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have

    scroll upwards this thread



    That's North on a map ;)
     
  6. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    You’re braver than me, Moi.
     
  7. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet what Covid pandemics are happening
    Today in China.
    Lockdown means Lockdown
    no traffic in or out
    or Why Bother
    is the question.

    Only RED China style lockdowns are proven effective.
    Likewise, China - lite lockdowns are not proven effective.


    @Aleksander Ulyanov
    What part don't you get
    and what do you propose.
    Your science is flawed. ref: China experience.



    I Propose, based on available "science" :worship:
    end the lockdowns. ​
    And if YOU choose to "duck & cover" that is
    YOUR personal FREEDOM



    FREEDOM
    Get It Or Not



    Mel Gibson died horrifically for our . .​
     
  8. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Huh?
     
  9. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Looked realistic, not fake.
     
  10. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    To go out into the germy world and willingly expose yourself to the virus.
     
  11. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Personal Choice

    Or manage it China style!

    No Middle demonstrated effective

    comprende?
     
  12. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Dunno, seems to be working, here where I live.
     
  13. AlpinLuke

    AlpinLuke Well-Known Member

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    In any case, if we have to learn something from last year, SARS-Cov-2 has given its best between February and April.
    So probably the virus is just training, getting ready for its best performances ever.

    This is why it's absolutely important to contain it now, waiting for the vaccination of the large majority of the population.
    Otherwise we will see a lot of persons losing their life.
     
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    Even better, he should go see a lawyer and draw a legal Advance Directives document, declining all medical care of any kind for Covid-19. We are getting overwhelmed enough with the existing cases, so these hoax peddlers who think this "little flu" is no big deal and masks and vaccines don't work, should stay away from our busy hospitals. Oh, and the survivors who come out of it with pulmonary fibrosis and permanent shortness of breath, motor and cognitive disabilities from stroke, amputated limbs from blood clots, renal insufficiency leading to dialysis, heart failure from chronic myocarditis, etc., should also include those ailments in the Advance Directives to decline all care for those, too. Society will be thankful because the costs of caring for the chronic conditions for all these people are likely to be a bigger economic burden for decades to come, when compared to the brief lockdowns we had.
     
  15. Adfundum

    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    The recent uptick is insane. My wife's hospital is literally out of room and is doubling up patients in rooms. The ER is sending the milder cases home because there is no room for them. Add to that, a rather large number or nurses who have quit because the work load is overwhelming. Those who are brushing this off as "no big deal" are absolutely not the ones working in those hospitals who are over-loaded and under-staffed.

    I know a couple of folks in my area have recovered from the virus and are claiming it's no big deal and that we're worrying too much. I also know of other who have died or nearly died after getting the virus. It's not yet like the plagues of the past, but it's deadlier that the flu. Glad you're here to help.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, thanks. I'm also exhausted although I'm not even the one who works the hardest on this, in my hospital, because by this point of my career, most of what I do is teaching and administration (although I still do provide some direct care; mostly because I want to, to keep my skills sharp, and because I like it). Even when not providing direct care, it is all still exhausting to supervise the residents on this; they easily freak out and one needs to not only teach the clinical skills and the treatment protocols but also comfort them and try to decrease their stress level; problems pop up everywhere and some days get incredibly intense, and draining when we lose patients to the disease. Not to forget, my wife is much more involved in direct care than I am so I worry about her exposure even more. We need to resist 3 more weeks without catching this, until we reach full immunity with the Pfizer vaccine (we took the first dose on 1/31, the second one will be on 1/21, and one week later, 1/28, we start achieving the full theoretical 95% protection). I think that with the inoculation of our personnel (we're doing 1b first doses now; we've finished inoculating the entire 1a staff, that is, the direct care ones who are exposed to Covid-19 patients) the level of stress will drop, even though we're likely to become even busier - the peak anticipated by our state will be between mid-February and mid-March). Another month and we get all 1cs, and with second doses, by the end of March our entire crew will be 95% immune. That will be such a relief! For now, my wife and I are wearing N100 masks although they are uncomfortable, and goggles. We are wearing ASTM level 3 braced face masks at home and sleeping in different quarters (given that she is more exposed than I am). On 1/28 we can resume living in the same quarters... I miss her.
     
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    My wife got me some n95 masks, and they are pretty uncomfortable, especially when wearing them for long periods of time. She wears hers for 12 hours at a time--in addition to the other protective gear. She's had to test four times recently, and over 30 of the nurses who worked with her have contracted the virus. I just hope she can hold on long enough to get past the worst of it. She was scheduled to get the vaccine last week, but one of the other nurses she works with tested positive, so she had to get tested. No new schedule for the vaccine yet. It's a good thing that you stay on, keeping the others encouraged to continue doing what you do.
     
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    Trouble is, the estimates are that 70% infection rates may be required in order to achieve herd immunity. That's 21 in 30. No one is quite sure how long that immunity will last either.
    Do not let down your guard.
     
  19. CenterField

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    Yes, it's terrible, we had about 120 nurses positive for Covid-19 in my hospital, and two died, one a veteran, beloved old nurse, and one, a healthy-looking young nurse who surprisingly couldn't fight it off and died actually very fast. Sometimes young healthcare professionals die despite not having underlying conditions, because of high viral loads that overwhelm their defenses.

    See this report from a nurse who got Covid-19 from her idiotic patient who, while being treated there for Covid-19, was still adamant about not wearing a mask. That's the full meaning of the word Covidiot.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-nurse-nicole-koller-vaccine-151311469.html

    I wish nurse Nicole Koller a prompt recovery. Fortunately she seems to be doing better. This article blames it on a vaccine delay; I think the vaccine still provided partial help because it made her antibodies kick in sooner than with the natural infection. But anyway, regardless of the "computer glitch" and delay in getting her the first dose, this wouldn't have happened to her if this idiot wore his mask in his hospital room. Sure, she doesn't detail for how long he was there and for how long she was taking care of him, and she could have been exposed by someone else, but it is probably more likely that he was the source, if he refused to wear masks, than other more responsible patients.

    This hero deserves a lot better than being exposed and getting sick thanks to this ungrateful idiot who bought into the political kool-aid that masks don't work and wearing them is for sissies.

    It makes me really angry.
     
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    With the new and more infectious variants, the Herd Immunity Threshold may end up being higher, since it is a function of the R0 number (reproduction number that gauges the infectiousness of the virus). The higher the R0, the higher the needed HIT. There are other factors in play, such as population heterogeneity and susceptibility, but still, the higher the infectiousness, the higher the HIT.
     
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    This bug just doesn't play fair does it? Just at the moment the first vaccines roll out it gets more infectious and starts mutating its protein spike so they may be less effective.
    Still, I live on a lovely farm with wide open spaces to walk around and I've still got the last 5 episodes of Battlestar Galactica to watch. Every cloud...
     
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    Viruses never do. They are nasty little critters. I like to give the example of the Epstein-Barr virus, the agent of mononucleosis; people assume it is benign given that the acute illness isn't much, but once someone gets mononucleosis the EB virus never goes away, becomes dormant, and several years later can cause fatal lymphomas. We don't even know yet what the SARS-CoV-2 reserves for us in the future, so the idiots who dismiss this as no big deal don't know what they are saying and doing.
     
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    It's Summer where live.
    Also YOUR lockdown was much more extreme than in

    The Land of the FREE.
    Such as enforcers limiting how far from home you may travel


     
  24. Sallyally

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    Seemed to work. Winter is a bit of a worry. There are increasing numbers of drones who don’t know how to wear a mask properly or are only making a token effort.
    If I hear one more idiot moan about having claustrophobia I’ll scream.
     
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    Time to scream
     
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