Beirut explosion shatters windows across Lebanese capital

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  1. gnoib

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    Because there is no need. The heat of the fire, would have been a huge plop in the video. You do not see that.
    1000 degree plus and more and it does not show up. A black cloud of gases hundreds of degree hot, black really. In a thermo that cloud would be so bright, you could not see the for ground.
    Wotan rain brain on this world
     
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    Oh I'm sure it was a very hot fire and it is logical it initiated the detonation but try as I may I cant find some concrete answers.

    A. Can AN be detonated with just open flame?
    B. If so, under what conditions?
     
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    I think you have missed my point which is that the missile is photoshopped in. The video was not taken using an infrared (thermal imager) camera and that video does not show a thermal image video as the heat images are all wrong. In conclusion the video is fake
     
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    Not according to this from the Financial Times quoted in a Novara Media video I left

    From post 100.
     
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    An open fire does not produce a shockwave. That indicates an explosive primer or initiator must be used.
     
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    If he is correct that would seem so.
     
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    Things that make you go hmmm...I try not to google too much on the chemistry of explosives because police state but info is info.
     
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    I have found the article in full. You will find other people have different opinions believing for instance that the fire would do it or just being left for so long would be about enough.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d9de41ce-2842-435e-a20f-a13ade35df8f
     
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    I must admit I was surprised to get in. I think it has been some time since I tried. I was trying to copy and paste relevent bits but they automatically told me I had to go somewhere first if I wanted to do that.

    It is difficult to know as I imagine everyone will be telling the truth as they know it. I am guessing John Wyatt's experience acting as he did as Bomb Disposal with the British army will have been with it being used in bombs particularly in Northern Ireland. In that he seems to be saying that the enormous quantity of it would require a combination of heat plus a shockwave. I suppose it is possible he was not told it had been hanging around there for 6 years without protection....but as a bomb disposal expert that is his opinion. A fire alone would not do it whereas "Andrea Sella, a professor of inorganic chemistry at UCL in London" says that poorly kept AN is notorious for exoploding seeming on its own and "Julia Meehan, managing editor for fertilisers at ICIS," suggests that with the time it has been stored we should not expect it to act 'as it says on the tin'. She says shelf life is normally 6 months and rather than saying it explodes with or without a fire as others have, she just says it might not act as it would if properly stored and by sell by date.
     
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    Some high explosives are fickle, acetone peroxide and silver fulminate come to mind. So sensitive a gram or two can self detonate under their own weight. Heat, shock, friction and even static electricity can set them off and a tiny amount can act as a priming charge for more stable explosives
     
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    A fire can cause strong winds which may have caused the AN powder to cloud in the air which the heat could then ignite (potential theory). Very much like flour mill explosions
     
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    I think probably the truth is that it could have been either but there does not seem to be any evidence of it being deliberate despite Woogs video - there are a lot of other videos like that on the net taken from different angles. However had this been real, it is difficult to imagine Lebanon would not be screaming to the UN so it looks most likely it was an accident though I have to admit I still have a little niggle and that is just because it is so useful to a lot of people. ;)
     
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    I said that after checking the Oppau explosiion. It would appear that how likely it is to explode depends on the amount of nitrate there was in it and humidity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppau_explosion

    So now I am guessing that AN now sold is on the safe level and would require as John Wyatt said 'a hell of a boost' with something like semtex. The other two people in the Financial Times article are assuming that because it was so old the composition of it had changed allowing the massive blast.
     
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    Well the basic problem is that nearly always are some jerks running around and make out of everything some sort of conspiracy issue which stands against official story.
    They do so often very smart on first view by building out of all these puzzle pieces a pricture which looks like a clear evidence for their theory telling ... but woe if someone puts a closer look on it, then it melts like ice in the sun.

    A good example for it ... to name only one out of countless ... is the claim in matter NASA was never on the moon that these so called truthers say it was done "a la Hollywood" becasue there are no stars visible in the black background. Well ... aside all technical explaining about, the simple counter question why the hack is also the background of photos and videos at all ISS and all the other former Space Shuttle missions total black with stars visible ... maybe all also Hollywood? ;-)
     
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    In this case, and I'm no fan, it appears Trump is right.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/06/breaking-israel-nukes-beirut/
     
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    It's still to soon to know. As poor and unstable as Lebanon is, they may not have Geiger counters or other instruments to measure radiation. Obviously they are in total chaos now.
     
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    That's like saying they dont have cell phones, stop pushing this BS "nuke" nonsense.
     
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    Newsbreak--cell phones are not the same thing as Geiger counters or other instruments to measure radiation or detect the by products of nuclear fission.

    Trump was right--it was a bomb. Numerous photographic evidence shows that. Common sense shows that.
     
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    Newsbreak : the nuke radiation would render all cell phones useless in Beirut.

    Trump did what Trump does best, just run his stupid mouth of.
     
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    For how long would it render them useless?
     
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    I hope that your expert status here will have a good answer, because I'm really curious.
     
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    Every university in Lebanon will have a geiger counter. You can buy a simple radiation detector for £20
     
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    I would also say some people appear to have been thinking they knew all the answers before anyone could have. Certainly news in the UK for the first day was questioning everything. The BBC was talking about 'conspiracy theories' of it being fireworks which set it off or nukes and they themselves kept asking what had started it and questioning whether it was an accident so I don't think when something like this happens it is wrong for people to be questioning and we all know that there is a lot of - well to some extent I have come to think of the way this world is working at the moment as some kind of bizarre craziness totally out of connection with how we would act if we were using all our human faculties so God knows what anyone would do!! and then in this particular situation when what has happened in Beirut is like a gift to some politically, it is right that people should question. The news concerning the Syrian Government using chemical weapons against its own people was for instance found not to be true even though we went off and attacked Syria for it so I think it is understandable that people question and then look to see if what they think adds up and I see that as different to people who spend their lives believing things which other people call 'conspiracy theories'. :) Have you heard of QAnon?
     
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    I'm coming across information from various sources that it was an attack and VT does to go into quite a bit of detail. Also the President of Lebanon is now admitting that it might have been caused by an outside force.

    The following banned video shows Netanyahu at the UN pointing to Hezbollah missiles being at the exact location of the blast. According to one expert, the port of Beirut is built upon solid rock and that an explosion by Ammonium Nitrate could not have caused that hole.

    https://banned.video/watch?id=5f2b47a468370e02f2b08e8a
     
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