Biden: Latino community is diverse 'unlike the African American community'

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  1. cirdellin

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    Agreed! The Trump economic record is being overwritten. Reminds me of the ministry of truth.
     
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    And how precisely did Obama do this? What kind of economic stimulation did he introduce?
     
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    However you want to spin it blacks did extremely well under Trump
     
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    Geez buddy, I'm here to debate not educate. You have Google. Use it.
     
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    Lots of politics around these issues.
    I’m sure google will link Clinton with crazy conspiracy theories as well.
    You brought the charge against Clinton and I’m asking you to substantiate them.
     
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    I'll humor you on this but really there are certain things I just expect people to know in here and if they don't then I assume they are not informed enough to waste my time with. You caught me in a generous mood though so here ya go.

    "Grenier, who was based in Islamabad, Pakistan, explained that the agency was permitted to engage in “lethal activity” against the terrorist leader but could not perform a strike with the explicit purpose of killing him under the terms of the Memorandum of Notification enacted by Clinton."


    "Our tribal contacts came to us, and they said, ‘Look, he’s in this location now. When he leaves, he’s going to have to go through this particular crossroads.’ And so what they proposed was to bury a huge cache of explosives underneath those crossroads so that when his convoy came through, they could simply blow it up,” Grenier recounted. “And we said, ‘Absolutely not.’ We were risking jail if we didn’t tell them that.”


    “I nearly got him. And I could have killed him, but I would have to destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him. And so I just didn’t do it,” Clinton said on September 10, 2001, in Melbourne.

    A day later, the World Trade Towers were struck.


    https://nationalpost.com/news/world...osama-bin-laden-former-cia-station-chief-says
     
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    So in your opinion those other 300 people in Khandahar including innocent women and children should have been sacrificed as collateral damage?

    Even Donald Rumsfeld said Bin Laden has money and a network and we will probably never catch him. Why was he forgiven for saying that? The Republicans never seriously looked for him.

    Do you give credit to Obama for taking Bin Laden out?

    I imagine there would have been ways to kill the Ayatollah or Saddam Hussein as well.

    Should the US kill every person internationally that could potentially harm the US?

    Hindsight is 20 20 and no one predicted 911.

    The US faces real existential threats now. Maybe it should concentrate on that?
     
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    You said you didn't know of clinton passing up opportunity to kill UBL. Now you do.
    You're welcome.:)
     
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    Ok.
    I heard that the government in Afghanistan offered to deliver UBL and Clinton refused saying there was not enough legal evidence to convict him in an American court.
    If that was the case was there enough evidence to have him killed at that time?
    Lots of other questions I posed to you.
    The precedent of Americans casually killing overseas is sowing the wind. When other nations start doing it in the US it is reaping the whirlwind!
     
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    And again you previously claimed no knowledge of clinton taking a pass on killing UBL.
    Again now you do know.
    Again you're welcome.:)
     
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    I do appreciate the effort you have made in presenting and supporting your argument. And I did know of anecdotal claims for the fact that Clinton could have killed UBL but I wanted to hear your take.
    I’m sure that W could have killed him as well but the administration saw no point in it even after 911. No good targets in Afghanistan, Rumsfeld said.

    It took Obama the weakest president since Carter to deal with Bin Laden.

    But my question to you is that not knowing that 911 would happen, should it have been US policy to kill UBL without compelling legal evidence of his other crimes or perceived intentions?

    The US has lots of enemies. Some are just shooting off their mouth and some have means, motive and opportunity. How does a government make the distinction?
     
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    "Bin Laden had been a target for U.S. officials for his role in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. The U.S. government launched missile strikes in August 1998, but Bin Laden was not injured."



    https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-bill-clinton-osama-bin-laden-20140801-story.html
     
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    I asked you first stop dodging answering

    So I can expect you will not attack Trump for asinine statements as a justification to vote for Biden and admit that Biden is NOT the unity candidate who will bring us all together as he claims, he is quite divisive won't you say?
     
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    No candidate can unify the United States presently. Nor is there any political interest in unification. It’s become a zero sum game with both sides attempting to obliterate the other.

    The best the Americans can do is have both houses of Congress in the control of one party and the president in the other party. The presidency has become that powerful.

    This locks everything down and ridiculous legislation is restricted and the president can not do anything that requires money for very long.
     
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    because he had more opportunities to take him out and they failed to. 300 may have perished, but hundreds of thousands of lives would have been spared from the wars that occurred afterwards and the collateral damage they caused.

    hell, even Obama assassinated our enemies on a regular basis. I don’t know why Clinton wouldn’t take every opportunity to take out such a dangerous terrorist leader.
     
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    Glenn Kessler is a Washington Post fact checker
     
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    He said his economic plan would hold unemployment to just 8% for one month and then rapidly fall as his shovel ready jobs got the economy into a full recovery.

    How'd that work out exactly?
     
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    Translation...

    Joe: The All Look Alike

    Joe: Just pick up anyone between 20 and 30 with a slender build.

    Joe: If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black.


    The PLANTATION SLAVE BELL is ringing loud and clear.
     
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    Because he passed on one opportunity and tied the hands of operatives on the ground with his no kill policy for them which led to at least one lost opportunity to get rid of UBL.
     
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    Ok, if some foreign government decided it had an enemy in your town and decided to kill indiscriminately to get him and your wife and child were killed in the process, how understanding would you be? Would you not wish to exact revenge on that government with whom your country is not even at war?

    About 3000 were killed on 911. How many more innocents were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by US actions in the Bush and Obama administrations afterward?

    How much more political instability created by Bush and Obama military policies and how many refugees have streamed into Europe because of these actions? I see it every day here.

    Trump has not extended US military power anywhere!! But people continue to virtually worship W and Obama who created chaos in the entire region which I would have thought could not experience more chaos and it is poisoning my country as well.
     
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    I’ve answered this in another post.
     
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    It is Biden who is claiming to be the unity candidate ans banking on winning based on that. His statements clearly bely that proposition leaving him with what? And the country does best when there is a Republican Congress and even better when there is also a Republican President to sign it's legislation.
     
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    What Obama/Biden had nothing to with and in fact whose policies failed by their own measures.
     

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