BLINDED EYES WITH BLINDED BRAINS

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A WHOLLY NEW BALL GAME

    Those you are referring to are in for some very troubling surprises. Aside from the Covid-damage, I suspect that what little was left in manufacturing will not recover - neither in the UK nor in the rest of Europe. Manufacturing is reduced to some very high tech industries and they do not hire the same number of workers as before.

    It's a New Game World we live in and if one does not have a post-secondary degree, they will sweeping floors.

    Of course, I exaggerate. But, not very much ... !
     
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    That is 100% the fault of your federal and State governments and the American Hospital Association (who wrote Obamacare) who created the monopoly nightmare system everyone hates.

    What's the difference between Monopoly and Free Market?

    In the Free Market, if you have a facet, department or operation of your business that is losing money, you have several choices:

    1) Spin it off;
    2) Sell it;
    3) Shut it down.

    For example, Proctor & Gamble. P&G makes many things and at one time they made bio-diesel. No kidding. Except that operation lost lots of money. P&G spun it off as a company called Wildwood. Wildwood is very profitable. Why couldn't P&G make it work? That's a long-winded discussion.

    Unlike Euro-States, US hospitals are monopolies or monopolistic cartels, thanks to your idiot State legislatures.

    What happens if a department in a hospital loses money, like say the Gerontology Department, or Ophthalmology, Neurosurgery, Pediatrics, Palliative Care, etc etc etc?

    Instead of shutting it down, selling it off or spinning it off, the hospital simply price gouges you by raising the prices of its other services to subsidize a losing venture.

    The other really negative aspect of your hospital monopolies and cartels is redundancy.

    To illustrate that, I live in Cincinnati, population 325,000 in Hamilton County, population 890,000 in the Cincinnati Metropolitan Statistical Area which is 11 counties in 3 States and has a population of 3.1 Million.

    We have 17 hospitals in the Cincinnati MSA and 15 offer open-heart surgery.

    Contrast that with Berlin, well, Hanserstadt Berlin (it's a city-state) which has a population of 8+Million, but only 3 cardio-pulmonary centers.

    Do you not see the wasteful redundancy?

    A typical US hospital offers these services:

    Allergy, Anesthesia, Bariatric Medicine/Surgery, Burn/Trauma, Cardiac Catheterization, Cardiology, Cardiovascular Surgery, Colorectal Surgery, Dermatology, Electrophysiology, Emergency Medicine, Endocrinology, Family Practice, Geriatrics, Gynecologic Oncology, Hematology/Oncology, Hepatobiliary, Infectious Disease, Internal Medicine, Interventional Radiology, Neonatology, Nephrology, Neuroradiology, Neurology, Neurosurgery, Nuclear Medicine, Obstetrics & Gynecology, Occupational Medicine, Ophthalmology, Otolaryngology/Head & Neck Surgery, Palliative Care, Pathology, Pediatrics, Pediatric Surgery, Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery, Podiatric Surgery, Psychiatry, Pulmonary Medicine, Radiation Oncology, Radiology, Rheumatology, Surgical Oncology, Thoracic Surgery, Transplant Surgery, Wound Care, ENT, General Surgery, Gastroenterology, Oral/Dental Surgery, Orthopedic Surgery, Pain Management, Urology and Vascular Surgery.

    You will not find anything even remotely resembling a US hospital in Euro-States.

    The Hospital Model is the most-costly, most-inefficient, least-effective means of healthcare delivery.

    That is why, in the 1990s and faced with mounting healthcare costs, Euro-States abandoned the Hospital Model in favor of the Clinic and Policlinic Models.

    The Clinic/Policlinic Models are the most-effective, most-efficient, least-costly method of healthcare delivery and I have repeatedly quoted Franz Knieps (the former German Minister of Health who made those changes) who explains why.

    Why does childbirth in the US cost ~$14,000?

    I just explained why. When you go to the hospital to have a baby, you're not just paying for OB-Gyn/Neo-Natal services, you're subsidizing all the departments in the hospital that are losing money hand-over-fist.

    Senator Pocahontas, who is/was a board menber of Physicians for NAZI Healthcare, is one of the architects of Obamacare and the PNH is the political wing of the American Hospital Association.

    Note that Sections 6000-6002 of Obamacare bar the US from moving toward the Clinic and Policlinic Models.

    So long as you let the American Hospital Association call the shots -- and they've been calling the shots since 1932 -- you'll never get anywhere.

    Euro-States broke up hospitals into clinics and grouped services by how they're related. That reduces the cost of medical care, which would in turn reduce the cost of health plan coverage (since no in the US actually has health insurance.)

    They also eliminated the costly redundancy although it places a minor burden on patients.

    Like I said, if you're in the US Army or Air Force, the only place in Germany you're allowed to be based if your spouse or child has a heart condition is the Kaiserslautern Military Community. Why? Because the Germans have a cardio-pulmonary clinic there and there's Landstuhl Army Regional Medical Center which also does open-heart surgery.

    Thus, it is highly unlikely your spouse or child would ever be more than 10-12 minutes away from the critical care they need.

    On the other hand, if you were based in Bremerhaven or Garlstadt (or with the air cav unit at Detmold), your spouse or child would likely die enroute to getting the care they need because the nearest cardio-pulmonary facility is 5 hours away in Hamburg.

    Even if based in the Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Weisbaden or Darmstadt Military Communities, the nearest cardio-pulmonary centers are 1 to 2 hours away

    Yes, Europeans travel great distances to receive medical care, anywhere from 2 to 12 hours (or longer) and the more specialized or unique the surgical procedure or treatment is, the farther you have to travel. If you lived in Bremen and had a child with a heart condition, you'd pack up and move to Hamburg so your child could receive the care they need. Would Americans be willing to do that to save money on healthcare? I don't think so.

    Witness:

    Self-reported unmet needs for health care by sex, age, specific reasons and educational attainment level (online data code: HLTH_EHIS_UN1E ) 2020 European Union 27 countries.

    16.8% could not receive healthcare due to financial reasons.

    3.9% could not receive healthcare due to the distance required to travel for healthcare.

    19.2% did not receive healthcare due to waiting lists.


    Source: EuroStat - European Commission
    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databr.../table?lang=en

    Notice I use a primary source instead of secondary or tertiary source like the Left-Wing OECD.

    Since your federal and State governments screwed up your healthcare system at the behest of the American Hospital Association, it will take a rebellion by the people to coerce the federal and State governments to rescind/repeal all the harmful laws enacted that created this nightmare.
     
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    "They" (above) are receiving unemployment financial-support from the government (called "unemployment funding"), aren't they?

    Which is at risk if "they" don't want to take the courses and accept jobs proposed. You're assuming that "they" prefer to die from hunger rather than take a job they don't want?

    Or they live off of "mummy & daddy" whilst bumming around the neighborhood?

    Unbelievable but possible unless they've got kids whereupon mummy puts them out of the house in order to collect "child support" ...
     
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    What tends to happen is they attend the courses but don't really try, they then drop out and end up living in the gig economy. So its a waste of public money.

    We do have an issue with kids living off mummy and daddy, but this is a historical issue. Parents born in the 30's and 40's saved every penny they could (more than they needed to). Much of that money ended up being passed down to their children. That generation did not save but lived a life subsidised by the inherited money and told their children they don't need to stick at jobs they don't enjoy.
     
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    Great and Very Informative Post. Thank You...




     
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    They have made it near impossible to collect Unemployment in Florida. They call it now Reemployment Assistance. In other words, jump thru hoops to receive the same Benefits you got in 1998. They have changed the amounts ZERO % Notta increase. Even if they had, they would go with 1% while true inflation per year rolls at 6% YOY.
    The Video above shows the truth, yet Americans still buy into the PONZI SCHEME. As long as 10% do well, earn a decent living, that group will continue to assist the billionaires in : "ALL IS WELL, Just get out there and WORK" This simply is not true and it is coming to a head.

    Today, as has been the case for 25 years, an Industrial maintenance, Electrical, pays the same old money with much less benefits. Amazing as it is, this week you can watch David Rubenstein interview RON BARON on Bloomberg TV about how Great of a man he is and how he turned millions into Billions. The American Globalist Machine is hard at work stripping the wealth of this country thru deregulation on thyself and punishing local economies with No funds from the Government. Wasteful men like Governor of Florida continue their self loathing for the next vote. This is all the literal destruction of this country. LITERALLY !
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    THE COMPLEX SUBJECT MATTER IS MOST INTERESTING - JUST WHERE IS AMERICA GOING?

    Had to look that one up! Gig economy = a labour market characterized by the prevalence of short-term contracts or freelance work as opposed to permanent jobs.

    OK, yes, but the Gig-economy exists all the time, all the time, all the time. People come and go in-and-out.

    You're guessing. One-liner explanations are not worth the effort.

    What we are talking about is generic. It is a mentality evolution that bears attention. If we do nothing about it the economic consequences will be increasingly pervasive. Meaning leading to a situation tantamount to economic failure of the economy.

    This subject is highly interesting because of its complexity - that is? the intermixture of elements that are social, economic, psychological in nature. And to address it would require a national inquiry both on an individually financial-level and across geographic boundaries ...
     
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    Yes I'm guessing (so are you) but what I say fits the facts. I employ about 105 people of whom 60% are students etc doing weekend jobs.
    Over the last 5 years we have seen a consistent change over from students looking to subsidise their grants, to 20 to 30 year olds with little education and no job hopes.
    On top of this we see increasingly a willingness to give up work if they don't enjoy it.
    Indeed we can only play around the edges here. But no one (as far as I know) is looking to us for solutions.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    TEX-ASS

     
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    And who is buying them the beers in the bars?

    Santa Claus ... ?
     
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    The state? Or maybe they are of this new group who don't want all the consumerism of our generation.
     
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    TOTAL BS Post and you should be ashamed to call yourself an American... There is no cherry picking, just facts of WHAT WAS, AND WHAT IS. YOU try to twist it by calling it compared to others. We all feel it in the streets. The White, Latino, and Black people I converse with each day. Yet, we are not PRGRESSIVE, we are the workers, the ones whom now make 25/hr, the same as we did 30 years ago.

    I suspect you will pull some republican, or trump scum comparison out to feel good about the wealth I am sure you stole from your workers.
     
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    We should cancel You, the insurance corps, and force reasonable pay for medical, nothing more. I dont care if you want to call it Communism, or whatever your KIND change things too when it suits your pocket. The healthcare, like the FED, Treasury, BIotech, Big Tech, and the rest of the CABAL Globalists are Corrupt POS ! You support them and people need to get mad... CPI at 5% while real inflation is 12% per year, each of last 2 and avg. 7% a year, YOY for 20. It is absurd at best...
    Now, fill an answer to this with your lies, and crooked statements.
     
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    Your federal and State governments along with the American Hospital Association are the sole architects that created the nightmare system you hate.

    That is an undeniable irrefutable fact.

    Asking the people who screwed up your healthcare system to screw it up even more is quite silly and counter-productive.
     
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    It's not "TOTAL BS" in spite of your protestations.

    There are cultural differences whether you refuse to recognize them or not and contrary to your assertion, the facts are cherry-picked and distorted.
     
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    Once again, you choose to see it how you want. I will always compare things to WHAT I HAD. Not some ENGLISH vs South Africa to come up with cherry picked data. Also, would you not expect an American to use past data, and or compared to other countries that have followed wat AMERICA Started ? For some reason I dont remember paying thousands, or millions for healthcare to the Globalist cabal. Now we do.... Then they use angles like R&D as : it cost a lot. Then they throw a million at colleges and tell them to do it.

    It is an absurd game of propaganda by the rich to lie to the poor. Poor is that which I am not. Yet see the outcome of this dissaster as the GREEDY Global continue their stealing. We do it right out front now with Scum like Brian Mast who helps pay for the Iron Dome over Israel. Why is American funding Israel's military ? Brian gets paid to convince christians it is the HOLY thing to do. American finance is headed into the *******, and those involved will pay with blood at some point. It may not even be a Brian Mast, but his kids whom will suffer.
     
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    That's the fatal flaw in your argument, because you're not making a comparison.

    You compare two (or more) things that are similar.

    You contrast two (or more) things that are dissimilar.

    You don't remember technology, either. Since the advent of the x-ray machine, the cost of medical care has increased with the introduction of each new piece of technology and that includes pharmaceuticals, like, you know, penicillin.

    That's a documented fact.

    And, very obviously, you don't remember how your State and federal governments screwed up your healthcare system at the behest of the American Hospital Association.

    So much for your "Globalist cabal." I guess now you'll claim FDR was part of the "Globalist cabal" since he is the reason employers lord over heath plan coverage.

    Would you like me to cite/post the specific laws/acts your State and federal government implemented to turn your healthcare system into a nightmare, or can you find that out on your own?
     

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