Brexit Delay? The EU wants one, the UK does not.

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  1. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    Sharia does not overrule UK law.
    It is used voluntarily to settle family matters such as divorce settlements and wills amongst Muslims.
    UK law overrides it every time.
    There is no situation where a non-Muslim would ever be subject to Sharia.
    Just more scaremongering bollocks from Islamophobes.
     
  2. Baff

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    Sharia law exists in the UK along with Beth Guin.
    If you agree to have your case dealt with by a Sharia court, you may do so.

    These are civil courts.
     
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    The EU began in 1992.
    Attempting to join the Euro had just crashed the UK economy. LOL!
    Otherwise it was booming.

    What ever spurious benefits you feel the UK had from EU membership, the UK clearly does not agree with your assessment.
    The country clearly feels that the loss from being an EU member was too great to continue with it.

    That is not to say your country should or does feel the same way about it.
    But telling us how great you made us? Just an excersise in making yourself feel better about yourself.
     
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  4. philosophical

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    They are not phenomena that overrules the law of the land.
    If they exist it is some kind of cultural agreement within a community.
    My understanding the people in agreement allow it to happen in family settings.
    Whatever the outcomes they are not enforceable by the law of the land.
     
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    They do not "overrule" the law of the land, they are the law of the land.

    You know what a magistrates court is?
    You can go to a Sharia Court instead.

    The rulings are legally binding.

    So yes, you could use it to settle your divorce, or your small claim.
    Sue another business etc.
    It is a civil court.
     
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  6. Montegriffo

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    My country is the UK.
    WTF are you talking about?
     
  7. Baff

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    The economic state of the UK when it joined the EU.
    You described it as "the sick man of Europe" before it joined the EU.

    You failed to mention that this label was given it 20 years before it joined the EU.
    And is not representative of the very rosey economic situation we enjoyed when we founded the EU.

    My apologies if I mistook you for an EU member. You talk like one.
     
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  8. Montegriffo

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    I'm sorry but your ''gotcha'' fails on the grounds that I didn't say we joined the EU in the '70s. If you re-read my post you'll see that I talked about the common market.
    For most of my life, I was a member of the EEC and EU so it's not surprising that I talk like one.
    But thank you for confirming that before joining the single market we were in fact called the sick man of Europe and that membership changed that for the better.
     
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    Before joining the single market we were also a caveman society.
    This statement is equally as factual as yours. And just as true.

    The EU single market began in 1993.
    Britain was not known as "the sick man of Europe" when it started it.

    That was in the 70's during "the socialism" years.
    In the 90's however when we founded the EU and it's single market, the UK was booming.

     
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    Those who voted for Brexit for the whole of the UK equally need to provide an answer to the practical arrangements they had in mind for the UK/EU border.
    Everything else is meaningless distraction.
     
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    The same as the arrangement for non EU countries.
    They pass through customs points. They pay any tariffs due.

    The exception being the S. Irish border where, like at airports, the customs checks are not conducted at the border.

    Simple stuff.
     
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    So no border.
    No border is no brexit.
    Simple stuff.
     
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    Additionally

    The border is about 310 miles long.
    There are over 200 crossing points.
    Some properties, including buildings span the border.

    So where are you going to do your customs checks, and immigration checks?
    Should be simple for you to give your answer, yes?
     
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    The customs checks will take place behind the lines.
    There are two customs houses in place at N Irish ports.
    S Ireland will be doing the same but has yet to announce where the facilities will be.

    Not sure if there will be any immigration checks at all. The Good Friday Agreement most likely enshrines the continuation of free movement of people between N and S Ireland. It's been that way since independence about 100 years ago.

    How so?

    Brexit is about leaving the EU.
    We have left.

    As far as we are concerned there is no border issue.
    If you have an issue with it, we still aren't EU members. Sorry.
     
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    IIRC Boris had a law enacted that guaranteed a hard Brexit if no deal is reached precisely to prevent the sort of delays and theatrics we saw last year that slow walked the framework deal getting passed. At this point, I would expect that the EU would have to pony up a lot of money out of the divorce deal to buy more time before the conservatives would agree to it.
     
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    The same as we had before we joined.

    Just like most countries have. A bog standard normal border.
     
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    'We' have not left as Northern Ireland is being treated differently.
    Your notion of customs checks is a fantasy.
    There are hundreds of crossing points.
    As for immigration there would (under your scheme) the opportunity for thousands of people to walk into the UK unchecked.
    No taking back control there.
     
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    Northern Ireland is treated differently and always has been.
    Scotland is treated differently and always has been.

    We still aren't in the EU.
    We left in January.

    The measures for Northern Ireland that differ from the rest of the UK are agricultural laws to make cross border farming a going concern.
    In my opinion they are perfectly sensible and reflect the reality of the situation.

    The Northern Irish may veto these trade alignments if they don't agree with me.



    There is indeed the opportunity for thousands of people to walk into the UK from Southern Ireland.
    Always has been. And indeed many thousands have done so.
    That has been the case since independence about 100 years ago and is still the case today and will still be the case next January.

    If this ever becomes a serious problem we will address it at that time.
     
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    The arrangements for Northern Ireland are new and follow on from the brexit nightmare.
    It is not business as usual, nor what was voted for.
    You are wrong I'm afraid.
    Also at what point to you say a problem becomes serious?
    And how do you plan to address it?
    And the customs posts you mentioned, do you see one at each crossing point?
     
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    It is not business as usual.
    Correct.
    We have left the EU.

    So tariff regimes will likely be added to cross border trade. There will likely be regulatory barriers also.
    These are not big issues. An exercise in paperwork for the most part.


    How do I plan to address an unspecificied problem that doesn't yet exist?
    I don't.

    An example from the past was IRA violence and weapon smuggling became a problem and it was dealt with by a military response.
    You can suggest some hyptothetical future problems if you like and then offer your own potential solutions to them perhaps.
    Myself I will wait until I see a problem before making suggestions on any response to one. Since I'm not expecting any significant new problems on the border at all.


    Yes, the UK customs posts are at ports.
    No idea where the S Irish ones will be.

    The primary consideration in the placing of these was to be away from the border. The crossings make for good choke points. A reasonable choice that may stem from the now abandoned plan to place a customs border in the Irish Sea.
    No one (except the EU and remoaners) wanted to stir up bad memories and behind the lines checkpoints is a direct response to those very concerns that were raised by them.
    An obvious and simple solution to a potential problem that was being used unsuccessfully, as leverage to deter us from leaving the EU.
     
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    OK.
    I don't see any practical solutions in your post, but I get that you think authorities will be reactive rather than proactive.
    With a UK/EU border that is essentially uncontrolled and totally open we will eventually see if there are issues to react to.
     
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    I think behind the lines customs points is the exact proactive measure I came up with myself when looking to address the issue of unsightly border checkpoints.

    A common sense solution to the issue.
    And given a dumbarse like me could also come up with it, I consider it to be a very obvious practical solution.
     
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    Well if they are subject to attack the authorities will react.
     
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    As they should.
    Are you expecting them to become the subject of attack?

    There is a customs checkpoint at Belfast airport.
    Does it get attacked?
     
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