Can I ask a procedural question about impeachment?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hardly what is going around is there are more and more Democrats trying to figure out how to get out of this mess Pelosi has gotten them into. One more deraigned folly and they will end up with egg on their faces once again. If a grand jury indicts him for something he will go on trial but then there is nothing for which to indict him else the House would have listed in the Articles.
    But BRING IT ON they will only split the country more apart and solidify the right and get themselves voted out of control of the Congress while Biden's 100 days fails.
     
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    You don't seem to think that the attack on the Capitol was sedition. I think you're going to discover most people do.
     
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    Please support your claim with documentation.

    Senate decides guilty/not guity. You cannot prove otherwise.
     
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    Yup. And that's a real problem. The Senate has no authority to try a private citizen. Further, the purpose of impeachment is to immediately remove someone from office, if they aren't in office, the normal legal system handles as they no longer enjoy presidential immunity. Their problem with this, is that Trump didn't commit any crimes.

    But, these ignorant clowns don't want to leave it up to the voters whether he is elected again, so, they think they can bar him from running again, even though that sanction follows removal and they can't remove him, because he is already out of office, and that provision applies to appointed officials, We The People determine where Elected Officials serve, not these ignorant clowns in the Senate.

    So, first there is not a snowball's chance in hell that this is going to result in conviction, but, if the crazed Trump addled numbnuts in the Senate don't waste their time with this, where then can virtue signal preen and prance about before a national audience they will actually have to do something, like work on COVID relief, reopen the economy and stem the wave of bankruptcies that are coming if they don't do their job.

    AS ALWAYS, LIFE IMITATES THE EARLIER, FUNNIER EPISODES OF SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE: Chuck Schumer says senators will decide if Trump incited ‘erection’ at US Capitol.

    Emily Litella, vindicated at last.
     
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    Another problem. Given the blatant unconstitutionality of the Senate's ridiculous planned actions, clearly this will end up before the Supreme Court, Justice Roberts is aware of this, and since he cannot both participate in it, and adjudicate it, he is making it clear that he wants no part of this ridiculous circus. Since the CJOTSC must preside over a presidential impeachment, now what hell do the circus masters have in mind to try to turn the world's oldest surviving constitutional liberal democracy into a banana republic?

    Here's a fkn idea, how about they get to work on our COVID relief they claimed would be a Day One Priority that they have pushed back to APRIL, so they can pursue their deranged unhinged vendetta against Trump?
     
  6. stone6

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    He's being tried in the Senate on charges suitable for criminal prosecution as well. He was "indicted/impeached" while still in office. No one is challenging his forthcoming Senate trial. It's possible he could be criminally indicted by a Grand Jury as well, after the Senate trial.
     
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  7. Phyxius

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    Small correction - Orly Taitz (yes, that one) has filed a challenge in California federal court.

    Orly Taitz Sues Kamala Harris, Claims Trump Impeachment Unconstitutional (lawandcrime.com)
     
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    My apologies. Ms Taitz is a dentist, no? But, technically, you're correct. I was actually referring to Senate and House leadership, constitutional scholars, et al.
    Presumably, she's suing Harris due to her role as President of the Senate?
     
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    Non sequitur response noted.
     
  10. Andrew Jackson

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    WRONG.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/sch...-impeachment-article-to-senate-on-monday.html

    ^They have ALREADY Scheduled The Impeachment Trial (and Your "Information" has been Totally Debunked).

    Why do you keep talking about the Chief Justice?

    Harris could preside Over the Trial, or any other Senator who is agreed upon.

    Why do you keep repeating MISINFORMATION?

    When it has been explained to you (multiple times, with citations) that you are Dead Wrong?

    You have (time and time again) exhibited an Egregious Misunderstanding of the Constitutional Clause involving the Chief Justice.

    The Clause that refers to the Chief Justice has (absolutely) nothing to do with the TIMELINE of the Impeachment.

    It only lays out the duties of the Chief Justice (in circumstances where the President is on trial).


    Thus, since The President is NOT on Trial:

    Harris (or any other Senator that is agreed upon) could Preside.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd...-chief-justice-john-roberts/story?id=75324610

    Once again, Glad to clear that up for you.
     
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