Can we have a mutual discussion about abortion pro-life and pro-choice

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  1. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    You write fiction, and you know you write fiction.

    It's not a case of being bothered, it's a matter of avoiding the obvious like the plague.
     
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    :) Lack of proof.

    As you've been told , they offer prenatal care...and you have NEVER proven they don't.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Meh. Complain to someone who cares.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    See post #25
     
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    So much for a rational and honest discussion on your part.

    If you don't think that women's health services (cervical cancer screening, STD screening and treatment, well-baby counseling, and general health exams) are all part of making well informed choices, then one cannot have a discussion about
    pro-choice motives.
     
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    :) See post #23....and everyone can see the entire thread where NO PROOF was ever given that PP only offers abortion....:)
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I can't play chess with a potato either.

    If you don't think that women's health services (cervical cancer screening, STD screening and treatment, well-baby counseling, and general health exams) are all part of making well informed choices, then one cannot have a discussion about
    pro-choice motives.[/QUOTE]
    any clinic offers that.
     
  8. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    This was kind of fun but I bore of it.
     
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    and everyone can see the entire thread where NO PROOF was ever given that PP only offers abortion....:)

    Losing IS boring ;)
     
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    Its not that pro-life people don't care, its that they care very little. Based on results, their level of concern is no different than having no concern at all. Claiming that only crack babies are available shows you never looked into it.

    I don't fault you for not adopting, my issue is your insistence that others do what you are unwilling to.
     
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    Pure, unadulterated, troll..
     
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    How so?
     
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    Interesting how fast some of these threads break down into petty bickering.
     
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    I didn't mean you.

    Perhaps you missed it, but I did a few posts in this thread, and gave up.

    Gertrude Stein famously said "there's no there there"

    That applies to some of our posters.
     
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    Interesting how some threads end because Anti-Choicers are shown facts and can't handle it ....like the facts of what happens to women during pregnancy ;) ;)
     
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    In that case, I'd suggest starting by dropping the stupid political terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" and actually discuss abortion. It is a deeply complex and multi-faceted set of issues so anyone who thinks it can be resolved with an endless binary argument to two ill-considered positions would be too ignorant to engage in any real discussions on the topic.
     
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    any clinic offers that.[/QUOTE]
    Any clinic that specializes in it, not every clinic. PP provides birth control at discounted rates, in addition to all the other information previously listed. If a pregnant woman decides to carry to term, they will recommend OBGYNs and pregnancy clinics.
     
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    The time for discussion ended when lunatics started killing doctors and nurses and bombing clinics.

    The Dark Ages are over.
     
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    Many choices. Approximately 7% of women who go to PP have an abortion. They do prenatal care, provide birth control/condoms, pap smears and other medical screenings, including cancer. They do STD testing/treatments, vasectomies, male infertility testing, etc.

    They are not an abortion shop.
     
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    Why would I drop the appropriate nomenclature? I'm not interested in defining new terms.
     
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    I hate the labels, too. I hate labels, in general.

    To say someone is anti-life is absurd. Being in favor of choice is not the same as being against life.
    To say someone is anti-choice is equally absurd. Feeling passionately about this topic does not make one against choice. For those people, there's literally not a choice to make. I understand their point. I don't agree with it, but I do understand it.

    As to the topic, I am mostly pro-choice. I am vehemently opposed to abortion itself, but I am 100% a believer in personal freedom wherever possible. Get government out of my body, my bedroom, my home and my wallet. Leave me be to live my life the way I choose. If I'm not harming anyone else, stay away. A glob of cells is not a person, or it would have a social security number and parents would be able to claim the glob of cells on their taxes.

    *Stay far, far away from 3rd trimester.... that's a hard limit for me, unless the mother's life is at risk. I'm very wonky about trimester 2, as well. If she can't make up her mind in 12 weeks, she has already made the decision to keep it.
     
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    You were doing pretty well until you went against "choice" with "" I'm very wonky about trimester 2, as well. If she can't make up her mind in 12 weeks, she has already made the decision to keep it""

    No, she hasn't, and doesn't need to....she has until 23 weeks to decide....law is more important than opinion...


    You: ""Feeling passionately about this topic does not make one against choice""

    Maybe not but trying to legislate laws against abortion IS anti-Choice.

    Anti-Choice is quite accurate because they want abortion banned giving women no choice but to gestate(forced breeding as if they are animals)
     
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    They're not appropriate though. They don't actually mean anything, which is why there is so much argument about what they do mean (as seen in this very thread) and they misrepresent the issue of abortion as something that is any kind of simplistic binary question which simply needs a yes or no answer.

    You don't need to define any new terms. All the terms about pregnancy and abortion already exist. You don't need terms about people because this debate (and indeed any other) shouldn't be about the people engaging in it, it should be about the specific information, ideas and questions they all raise. Labelling types of debaters is just the first step in attacking them instead of addressing their comments. And at the moment, that is pretty much all the mainstream abortion debate is, which is why it hasn't really gone anywhere for decades.
     
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    They mean two different positions on the abortion debate. I'm not interested in redefining terms
     
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    Funny how the righties disappear from this forum when they have another target to go after ...
     

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