CDC says coronavirus spreads mainly ~ through ~ aerosols and droplets

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Given the Times report that HHS is writing up the CDC statements to great chagrin of CDC scientists, by now I do think that this explanation is what we need to fall back on. Because otherwise it's incomprehensible. The CDC used to be THE highest authority in the world in terms of scientific approach of infectious diseases. You said it yourself, "I can not come up with a rational explanation." That's because it's scientifically irrational. It's only politically that it makes sense: the administration doesn't want the CDC to deliver bad news, weeks from the election. Period, full stop. Do you have any better explanation? I don't.
     
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    What about the WHO?
     
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    Bottom line is that indoor spaces are VERY dangerous to be in ...in any kind of large groups
     
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    The WHO is very confused and confusing. Who knows what goes on there? I'm frankly at a loss. My respect for the WHO at this time is at its lowest.
     
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    The WHO was saying this in early July
     
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    The World Health Organization has issued a new scientific brief that summarizes what's known about the different ways the coronavirus can transmit.

    The 10-page brief, posted Thursday, considers all the ways researchers think the coronavirus may be able to spread: through close contact with droplets expelled when an infected person coughs, sneezes, speaks or breathes; through the expulsion of small microdroplets that have the potential to spread over greater distances; and through contaminated surfaces.
     
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    Weighing the evidence, WHO maintains that the virus is mostly spread through close contact with infected people but calls for more research into the matter of transmission by aerosolized particles.

    The WHO brief follows the publication Monday of an open letter from 239 scientists asking the agency to reconsider its position on aerosol transmission. The term refers to microscopic viral particles that can linger in the air and infect people who inhale clouds of those aerosolized particles.

    That was in early July


    The WHO is looking a lot better than the Trump Admin here
     
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    Yes. This is my point. Why now after months of knowing aerosols are a factor?
     
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    The CDC is far more important to the American people and they are well behind the WHO on this...as well as most issues regarding the virus (testing in particular)

    And THAT is on Trump
     
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    how did Hillary state it....

    oh yeah, "it's a vast, right-wing conspiracy"
     
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    you do not sound afraid. My post is more for the mask aficionados who wear them thinking that it provides some form of force field. If anyone is scared, then stay home. That is good, sound advice. But, they must also be willing to accept the consequences of job loss, loneliness, and plain old being unreasonable and irrational.
     
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    Is Fauci a Trump stooge now as well?
     
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    you forgot the media

    only the message of the week by one political party is correct; anything else is being anti-science.

    Heck, look at the signs in front of Democrat voting people it has a list and one is "I support science"

    do they support science when told that babies within the womb have a heartbeat after only a few weeks?

    A virus has been made political
     
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    CDC says coronavirus spreads mainly ~ through ~ aerosols and droplets
    ~ OK ... We have been masked up for 6 months. Is the virus dead ?

    ~ They always do ...
     
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    Correction: agenda-based decision making.
     
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    I'm not psychic but I am a long time student of human behavior. CDC has been flip-flopping since this planned event began.
     
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    Not odd sir, just old news.

    To fine tune your excellent point a bit, any organization of humans with minds goes on to display the collective mind. Group think, some call it.

    The same general process happens with immunity. Sufficient individuals within the herd with immunity to a given disease will eventually lead to herd immunity.

    Sad to report to you, but individuals comprising various organizations and bureaus almost always become more interested in their job security than they are in doing the job the organization was created for. In short, the foibles and frailties of individuals, their propensity for being corrupted by power, too many times result in an organization or bureau equally corrupted.

    There are no better examples of that sad process than CDC and FDA, except maybe the Pentagon, as Ike alluded to in 1961.
     
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    Be very careful what you choose to ignore about political movements. The Nazis started slow too and they made many of the same arguments and behaved much as we are seeing the BLM/ANTIFA mobs behave today. How do the windows broken in the riots compare with Kristallnacht? That was an insurrection and so is this and it isn't over yet. Thankfully theirs is.
     
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    Vulnerable people staying home and masking up because they don't want to contract an illness that can kill them is not unreasonable, nor irrational. It's called appropriate prudence.
     
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    That is true.

    The problem is that the virus is not nearly as deadly as we were conditioned to believe it was.

    Using the power of the government to advance false narratives is wrong and illegal.
     
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    thank you

    that goes for flu season as well.

    But, for some reason with this virus, all of a sudden the rest of the world needs to have the economy crushed, businesses permanently closed, for those same folks with comorbidities who should not be out during flu season
     
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    The seasonal flu is not a planned event, it's just mother nature having her way.

    Covid was is a planned event...
     
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    Obviously you can't see that this virus is WAY more dangerous than the influenza virus. You seem to think that health officials and infectious disease experts in 215 countries are stupid. Not so.

    The flu has a vaccine and has 4 effective medications against it, and humans have built-in partial immunity against the influenza virus that has been with us for 3,000+ years, unlike this novel coronavirus that has been among us for ten months.

    The best epidemiological intervention against the flu is more people accepting the annual flu shot rather than a lockdown. If a business can require employees to take the flu shot as a condition of employment (my hospital does just that) then that business doesn't need to lock down for the flu, obviously. While the flu shot doesn't prevent all cases (efficacy varies between 30% and 80% according to the season), even those who do contract the flu after a flu shot, generally have mild, non-fatal illness as the shot at least confers partial immunity. You get inconvenienced for a few days and you're as good as new when it's over. Not so with Covid-19. Almost all fatalities from the flu are in people who did not want or had no access to flu shots.

    So it's not "for some reason with this virus, all of a sudden." It's for some very good reasons: much more dangerous than the flu, much more lethal, much richer in severe mid- and long-term consequences, much longer to recover from, no vaccine, no treatments (except that now remdesivir helps some, but it is scarce, and only exists in IV form unlike the widely available Tamiflu tablets against the flu). So, no brainer that stronger epidemiological containment measures were necessary for the SARS-CoV-2.

    I'm frankly sick and tired that even after all the 200,000 deaths (and counting) and new discoveries about significant and dangerous myocarditis (with a potential for heart failure down the road) in up to 20% of people who survive even mild cases of Covid-19 (and that's just one organ; this virus hits many others), there are still people who compare this virus to the flu, which is clearly insane.

    Please wake me up when the flu starts causing heart failure, pulmonary fibrosis, strokes, liver failure, kidney failure, and clots leading to limb amputations, all events that have been abundantly described for the SARS-CoV-2 due to its striking and unique endothelial lesions that are not seen in flu cases.
     
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    @sec you'll probably shoot the messenger, Fauci, but what he is saying is 100% correct. While you shouldn't count me among Fauci's fans (I never forgave him for the lie that masks don't protect the wearer), anybody who is following the medical literature on this (and can understand it) knows that he is absolutely right about it (he then quotes the paper I've been quoting):
    1. Fauci continued: "The other thing is that when people get infected, we're seeing more and more of lingering signs and symptoms, so that when you clear the virus, you may have weeks or months or so in which you just [feel] not quite right." "People with more severe infections might experience long-term damage not just in their lungs, but in their heart, immune system, brain and elsewhere," reports Nature. "Evidence from previous coronavirus outbreaks, especially the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) epidemic, suggests that these effects can last for years. And although in some cases the most severe infections also cause the worst long-term impacts, even mild cases can have life-changing effects — notably a lingering malaise similar to chronic fatigue syndrome."

    2. And Fauci went on: "The final thing is that they've recently done a study that was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association Cardiology, where people who recovered, even from disease that wasn't that severe—when you do MRIs or sensitive imaging, you can see things like inflammation of the heart. Now they may not be symptomatic, but we want to make sure that six months or a year from now, they don't wind up with unexplained arrhythmias or premature heart attacks or cardiomyopathies."
    Yeah, just like a little flu, huh? Who would take strong measures about this 100% harmless virus when the same are not done for the flu, right? I mean, having a stroke, a heart attack, heart failure, having brain damage, severe lung fibrosis with permanent shortness of breath, kidney insufficiency needing dialysis three times a week or a transplant, having a limb amputated, etc., are so harmless, so common with the seasonal flu, and so not a big deal, right? [insert sarcastic rolling eyes here]
     
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