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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can believe my eye, or your words, and I'm going with my eyes. They carry AUGs, for example. You are free to think they carry painballs if you like.

    Rifles and Automatic Firearms
    Various manufacturer and configurations of the AR-15/M16/M4 rifles and carbines built to ICE specifications;
    https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment 21 - ICE Firearms and Use of Force Directive and Handbook.pdf

    So.....yes. They are well armed. What's the point in denying it?

    Taking what for gospel? I said he called him an illegal immigrant. If you want to deny it, then so be it. I am not calling Musk an illegal, YOUR people are saying it.

    Yes, time will tell.
     
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  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It went out the window when trump got away with committing federal crimes.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure of your point. Are you saying ICE agents don't carry assault weapons?
     
  4. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He argues they carry plastic paint-ball guns.

    The truth is that they carry all kinds of firearms, including ones capable of full-auto fire.

    Rifles and Automatic Firearms
    Various manufacturer and configurations of the AR-15/M16/M4 rifles and carbines built to ICE specifications;
    https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment 21 - ICE Firearms and Use of Force Directive and Handbook.pdf
     
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it your assertion that ICE agents haven't worn masks when they have made recent arrests? Or that they don't carry assault weapons when they think the situation calls for it? Again, what is the point you're trying to make?
     
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    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, that isn't quite correct.
    From the beginning Homan said ICE wouldn't turn a blind eye to anyone in the country illegally. He said they'd go after the criminals first, but wouldn't ignore anyone in the country illegally.
     
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    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, you said they're carrying machine guns. Let's see the pix of ICE agents armed with machine guns in LA.

    Bannon is not "my guy" neither is the liberal media who have been pushing the story.
     
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    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm saying in LA the agents, both the ICE agents and the guard are carrying pain ball guns. Few if any are carrying assault rifles. No one is carrying "machine guns" that I've seen.
     
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    My point was clear.
    First, the agents aren't running around with machine guns, they're carrying less lethal paint ball guns that by the way are a great way to mark miscreants for later I'd.
    And they wear masks because they don't want to be doxed.
     
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    Unlike those who immigrated legally, they cheated and have to go back. Your tanTrump does not change this fact. Your party could have made it easier to come here legally, but didn't.
     
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    Well, not since George Wallace/Orval Faubus have we had a Democrat Governor try to prevent Federal Law Enforcement from enforcing Federal law.

    So there's been no need to take this extraordinary action, until Greasy Gavin Newscum and Bass put on their George Wallace/Orval Faubus Insurrection robes.

    The provision cited by President Trump 'exists clearly and explicitly in statute and in precedent. The rhetoric from Newsom and Bass — including Newsom’s remarks to Tom Homan that the NYT includes as context for this legal effort — makes it clear that Democrat leaders in California intend to prevent the federal government from executing federal laws in their jurisdiction.'

    https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/202...ns-to-sue-trump-to-remove-natl-guard-n3803609

    Speaking of states’ rights issues, this ABC News employee is suddenly a big fan: The View’s Whoopi Questions Whether Trump Admin Is Now ‘Pure Fascism’ After Weekend of LA Protests. “What ever happened to states’ rights?” the ABC moderator asks.

    'Following a weekend of protests over ICE raids in Los Angeles being escalated by the Trump administration sending in the National Guard, “The View” host and moderator Whoopi Goldberg wondered on Monday morning if the country is now experiencing “pure fascism.”'

    Well, if it were 'pure fascism' she wouldn't be free to run her mouth like she is, but we're in a Constitutional Liberal Democracy, so she's perfectly free to.

    “What ever happened to states’ rights? I thought that was what you do,” she said, kicking off the day’s Hot Topics. “Because you tell the state ‘This is what we’re thinking of doing,’ you know, you don’t just send people in. You don’t just send troops in.”

    'Each of the hosts agreed, and as the conversation progressed, Whoopi also called out Trump’s reinstated travel ban.'

    “None of the countries that are on this ‘you can’t come in here’ list seem to have done anything of note to keep them from coming in,” she said. “So, what is it? Are we about state’s rights? Are we about keeping people in or out? Are you out because you got here in a different way, because you fled the nation you live in?”

    “So what is it? Is this just pure fascism that’s happening?” she added. “Is this what’s going on?”

    She previously claimed: That If Elected Again Donald Trump Will ‘Disappear’ Journalists And ‘Gay Folks.’”

    'Whoopi says it's "states rights" for California to allow the streets of LA to be set ablaze by riots'

    It turns out that Bribed Joe's idiot Press Secretary was too dumb, for even The View.
     
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    They’re wearing riot gear to **checks notes** … a riot.
     
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    Trump never said he would ONLY deport "only the worse immigrants". He said that they would be the main target. If others are found along the way, be they only guilty of entering the country illegally or overstaying a visa or worse doesn't matter. They will still be picked up along with the main targets.
     
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    Lets just assume that you're right. Know how to prevent it? DON'T FREAKING RIOT! Simple!
     
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    I posted proof they carry full auto rifles. You don't have to believe it, and I am also not asking you to prove they carry only paintball guns as you claimed, because I KNOW you made it up.

    What a wonderfully clever idea. Well done Einstein! It's as good as telling Jan-6 folks that they can stay out of prison by NOT assaulting the Congress. Or.....in the other hand......it doesnt matter if you get full pardons anyway.

    I'm not talking about the riots, but their raids. Very militant. It's what you'd see in the 3rd world, and clearly many Americans dont like what they are seeing on their streets.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure sounded like he said that, but now he revoked legal status from half a million legal migrants, who have no record, so clearly they are targeting not only non-criminals, but also legal people.
     
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    They carry all kinds of firearms, including those capable of full-auto fire. Not sure why you are still sticking to "only paintballs" line when everyone knows it's not true.

    Now the active duty military is also going in. What do you they carry? Wooden swords?

    LOL. I'll bet bank robbers wear masks for the same reason. Heh-heh.
     
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    Only "legal" because Biden, or at least his handlers, opened up the borders to the furthest extent that they possibly could. But guess what....elections have consequences. The people did not want Biden, or at least his handlers, opening up the border to the extent that they did. Trump is undoing what Biden, or at least his handlers, did because that is what he was elected to do.
     
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    Legal means legal. It doesn't mean anything else. Learn the language and spare us from the BU....BU.....BU...BUT BIDEN comments.
     
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    Yeah, I know you don't like the fact that the people voted to undo Biden's, or at least his handlers, open border policies. But facts are facts. Deal with it.
     
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    No, you don't know what I like or don't like, but I can tell you that the never ending BU....BU.....BU...BUT BIDEN deflections are weak and annoying. Why do you even bother?
     
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    Awww....wah. For the past 10 years I've heard nothing but "BU....BU.....BU...BUT TRRRUUUMMMPPP!!" Deal with it, and the facts. They're not on your side.
     
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    We know what. When people have quotas to fill, they'll do anything to fill them. It led to atrocities during the Vietnam war. Also, not they canceled legal visas from half a million people, which makes it much easier to meet the quotas, but they should stop pretending they are all "violent criminals".
     
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    You're the one who brought up Biden when you complained that the legally dubious temporary status he gave aliens was revoked... seemingly desiring temporary status to be permanent for undefined reasons. For what legitimate purpose does mass parole make sense currently?
     
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    Nope, I did not mention him, I simply stated the fact that half a million such visas were canceled. If you took it as a "complaint", then so be it. I can't help the way you take things in social media. Some people are offended when the wind blows, and there is nothing I can do about it.

    Mass parole? No clue what this means.
     
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