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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    This article has no direct bearing on covid and mask wearing. It’s about influenza pandemics. Why you keep printing it I have no Idea. Not once is covid along with mask use is this affiliation mentioned. From these studies alone, you can make no assumptions about mask wearing and Covid.

    You’re still trying to use 14 unrelated studies to make some assumption about Covid without any indication they are part of a wider range study that includes Covid and masking. Maybe you don’t understand that the cdc has always made recommendations for dealing with flu viruses long before covid and still do. It’s a different illness.
     
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    The cdc still doesn’t recommend the n95 for general public use over other options. Only in special cases is it recommended for protection for the public.....

    Hospitals and most doctor visits don’t even insist on all patients wearing them. Their staff may for their own protection. So no, they have not come around to your way of thinking and no, you are not smarter then the cdc and every medical research facility in the US, which all makes the same recommendations.

    No one says n95 masks are bad. But, n95s are not as effective for general public use for a variety of reasons which you refuse to research though some have mentioned them over and over. $1.80 for a mask you can’t re use more then a couple of times, inhibits breathing, needs training to wear properly, IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE for normal public use. The cdc has not changed even though they say they are more available.
     
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    You’re saying the cdc and every research facility in the US are in the minority ? Other countries depending more on public transportation are no different then our country. The general public here can use n95 on a subway as its a special need.

    It’s obvious you are wrong. You have this ridiculous idea that n95 masks are magic. The cdc and every other research facility feels that the average vaccinated American is better served by other options. The n95 is for first responders and medical personnel.

    Maybe you’ve never worn one.
     
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    Never said they did. I said clearly they stopped recommending against N95s.
     
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    N95s are always more effective. Full stop.
     
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    Yes, the bureaucratic US epidemiologists are in the minority. I already supplied you with links to European countries mandating and supplying free of charge N95 quality masks to the public.

    Wear poor quality masks if you want. It’s your choice. But you have not snd never will supply any empirical evidence to support your position. It’s just unsubstantiated opinion.

    Till next time…
     
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    Wrong.
    They are not more effective for all use always. A gas mask is more effective. A Scuba mask and breather is more effective. There are a plethora of respirators that are more effective.
    Secondly, we know for a fact that the cdc doesn’t recommend them for public use. They aren’t required in any state in the United States for pubic access
     
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    I see no reference for your US epidemiologist .
    Have you ever worn an n95 mask ?
    It’s a fact. No one outside of medical personnel routinely wears them. Therefore, THEY AREN'T RECOMMENDED.
     
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    I really don’t care what Ethiopia recommends or European countries recommend. Otherwise, we should have universal healthcare.

    The cdc STILL recommends basic multi layer cloth masks
    It’s what I and every other person normally wears in public where a mask is required.
     
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    Today, Florida Health will report another Covid death’s “aberration”, and the number of deaths FH reports is RESIDENTS ONLY.

    According to Worldometer, Florida’s Total Covid Deaths Per 1M pop equates to; 2,416.......ranked 10th highest among all States.

    Note; Prior to Florida’s Delta Wave, many Republican posters have claimed that DeSantis managed the pandemic better than most States.
     
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    All I care about is empirical evidence. There is NO empirical evidence to support your position. NONE. It doesn’t matter who else believes what you do, it’s still misinformation because it is opposed to empirical evidence. Until you can supply some study or other evidence that cloth masks are better than N95 masks, I accept your concession.
     
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    Again, "14 randomized controlled trials" confirmed that masks do not prevent the spread of a virus.

    So, is the flu virus smaller than the C19 virus? Or not?
    Why is that question so difficult for you to answer?
     
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    And misinformation that it is opposed to empirical evidence" = disinformation.
     
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    No where in the post was Covid even mentioned….it’s laughable. It’s a relationship that Tucker and his band munchkins choose to make.

    It did no such thing. 14 trials on flu alone does nothing compared to the literally, hundreds of studies conducted by some hundreds of medical research facilities throughout the United States that includes direct Covid research. The stats on flu relative to masking are tainted by decades of people getting flu vaccines. That alone requires direct studies.

    You’re completely blind to why the numbers can’t be directly related anymore then you’re capable of questioning medical research conducted by institutes like John’s Hopkins on recommendations in treating brain cancer. It’s laughable how fake news can apply to Covid but not to medical research in general.

    You’re opinions are as far removed from the truth in covid and masking as they are in your knowledge of brain surgery. Leave it to the hundreds of research facilities all of whom work with the cdc to make recommendations.

    Why don’t you tell us how quantum theory works. Seriously…..You may come closer then claiming you know more then the cdc about covid and masking.
     
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    You’ve supplied nothing. Why do I need to supply evidence supporting my assertions. It’s you who disagree with the cdc and the entire medical community, not me. Just go to the cdc or any medical research web site. They all disagree with you. They’ll supply the evidence.
     
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    If you did, you’d go to the cdc website and ask your questions. You obviously aren’t. EVERYTIME you say “ empirical evidence” it’s just more woo woo.
     
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    From Seattle and King County Washington public health dept.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/publichealthinsider.com/2021/08/10/masks/amp/

    Have you noticed Washington State’s deaths per million are still under 1000? One of the few states still under 1000 deaths per million. Probably because their health department follows evidence instead of the CDC.


    Here are some peer reviewed studies (empirical evidence) showing N95 and equivalent masks are superior.
    https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100


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    So this study shows not only do N95 equivalent and surgical masks protect better they also are more breathable, contrary to your (and CDC) claims.

    Here is a literature review of multiple peer reviewed studies.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452199X20301481

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    And another.

    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c05025#
    Now, there is plenty more evidence like this. But there is NO evidence cloth masks are better than N95 masks. None. Not on a CDC website, not anywhere. The CDC recommended AGAINST quality masks for 18 months. Now they are “allowing” you to wear them. It’s a step in the right direction.

    If cloth masks were better why would the CDC stop recommending against N95 masks?

    Now, you, Fauci, and others have made the claim cloth masks are better. Show me the empirical evidence in the form of the studies I’ve presented above. Go ahead. It should be so easy for you….LOL
     
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    Sorry, the CDC stopped recommending against N95 masks. The CDC website contains NO empirical evidence that cloth masks are superior because none exists. Empirical evidence is not woo woo. You have completely invalidated your claim to follow science with that statement. I’m uninterested in your opinion or the opinion of anyone at the CDC. I’m only interested in evidence produced by the scientific method. Produce some to support your position. I dare you!
     
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    That’s totally incorrect. Fauci never claimed they performed better. You guys live in a world of idiocy . You don’t even wear masks. Imo, you’ve never worn an n95 mask. You don’t know wtf you’re talking about. You guys would never wear an n95 in public every day. That’s why cloth masks are recommended along with vaccinations.

    Cloth masks are recommended because people will actually use them. They won’t use th3 the n95 anymore then they will use a face mask and a suba tank.

    You don’t see Fauci wearing an n95 mask every day do you. Only in medical and special situations.

    You guys are so devoid of science, it’s laughable.
     
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    So you have nothing but unsubstantiated opinion and fallacy. Where are the studies and literature reviews supporting your opinion? Go ahead. Post something besides your opinion. You won’t because you can’t.

    Post some of this “science” you speak of. LOL
     
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    So, is the flu virus smaller than the C19 virus? Or not?
    How is it that flu viruses can get through or around masks, but C19 viruses are stopped by masks?
    Why is these questions so difficult for you to answer?
     
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    Stop that! Real science is politically incorrect science these days. :)
     
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    Presently on the cdc website.
    They STILL RECOMMEND for general use, multi layer cloth masks.
    Background
    SARS-CoV-2 infection is transmitted predominately by inhalation of respiratory droplets generated when people cough, sneeze, sing, talk, or breathe. CDC recommends community use of masks, specifically non-valved multi-layer cloth masks, to prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets (“source control”), which is especially relevant for asymptomatic or presymptomatic infected wearers who feel well and may be unaware of their infectiousness to others, and who are estimated to account for more than 50% of transmissions.1,2 Masks also help reduce inhalation of these droplets by the wearer (“filtration for wearer protection”). The community benefit of masking for SARS-CoV-2 control is due to the combination of these effects; individual prevention benefit increases with increasing numbers of people using masks consistently and correctly.
     
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    Only if you frequent Fix News. Real science is easy to find on anyone of the 3400 university and medical research and govt web sites including the cdc, Mass General, UCLA
    , John’s Hopkins. etc.
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    You can choose anyone over Tucker and his munchkins.

    Still waiting for one medical research facility that doesn’t use real science.
     
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