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  1. SkullKrusher

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    As Gandalf said to King Theoden who was under the spell of Grima Wormtongue (aka Dr. Fauci):

    “I release you from this (mask) spell. Breath the Free Air again”
     
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    The government isn't telling anyone to wear a mask. Trump regime has underplayed , minimized this virus............to the point the US has a big mess on its hands now. It is the HEALTH authorities that are advising people to wear masks. as they should. This is a respiratory virus and a a contagious (deadly) one. It is not a rights issue......or a freedom issue. It is a HEALTH issue. How many more must die before folks realize the seriousness of it?? Ignore Trump........he knows not of what he spins. His ineffectiveness has contributed to all those that have die d from the virus Wearing masks is imperative in a respiratory pandemic. Fact. Another FACT......the pandemic is out of control in the USA. Worse than any other nation on the planet. Contributing factors: Inept leadership, * a population that is choosing to be irresponsible.
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    That's the thread.
     
  4. Balto

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    I don’t listen to Trump, in the same way I don’t listen to Fauci, especially since like the former, the latter hasn’t done anything but make soundbite suggestions, and downplay any actual solution to Covid. Hydrpquiroquine is a example. It’s been prescribed for decades, it works but Fauci says it doesn’t when doctors from UCLA say it does. The best way to move forward with the masks is les e it at a recommendation. A legislature, not the governor has to make it mandatory. A governor cannot do that on their own. It is a freedom issue when you impose your view, scientific or not, on others.

    So I don’t want to wear a mask, but you do. That’s fine, each to their own. The Karen’s of the world don’t understand the basic principle of choice. Aside from the fact governors cannot solely make laws, it’s also factual that what makes us different from other countries is choice. It is a freedom issue as much as it is a health issue. Don’t tread on me extends to further than just the topic of guns.

    It is more patriotic to be fighting for choice for every American, than trying to slap a mask on everyone’s face while threatening fines or jail time, which at that point is tyranny.
     
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    People believe what they want to believe........and in the meantime people are getting the virus and dying at an increasing rate in the USA. It is hard to comprehend the mindset of some. Health principles are basic . The problem is that the Trump regime has politicized everything about ta HEALTH pandemic. THAT is totally irresponsible. He is an avid supporter and spreader of conspiracy theories........and many a re gullible enough to buy into that kind of nonsense. What happened t critical thinking?? What happened to logic.?? What happened to REASON??

    For a nation that presents itself as progressive, contemporary, ............the world is seeing a side that is anything but. The Pathos is exposed. by an unseen virus.
     
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    Interesting. So what do YOU suggest as a Health policy to get this virus under control?? Or do you think it should just run its course, without any human intervention??

    The concept of freedom of choice is well understood........;-) Then there is the factor of responsible behavior during a deadly pandemic. In a deadly respiratory pandemic we all play a part We are all potential contagions

    The medical advisors have not been as definite as they should have been. This is due to the petulant and vengeful Trump........who , when disagreed with......gets his immature revenge. These are the fear tactics he uses to control the people around him. He is the worst kind of leader to have during a deadly health crisis. He is out of touch with reality ....and that is dangerous.
     
  7. TCassa89

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    Again, this isn't an individual doctor's recommendation, people need to stop treating it as such. This is a consensus from doctors from all around the world who are dealing with this virus. Also, doctors themselves have been wearing masks for literally hundreds of years as a means of protecting themselves from harmful viruses, and they still do to this day. They do this because masks work

    Even if the doctors were wrong, there is nothing being put at risk in wearing a mask, where as if they are right, you are not only risking your own life, but everyone around you. Given the risks at stake in both scenarios, the practical thing to do is to wear a mask. You have literally nothing to lose
     
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    The only way the virus is going to be under control is with a vaccine. That’s the only health policy that would work. Locking down, masks, all this has done is make people paranoid, do damage to the country, and honestly not improve the situation that much. The current policies have been slightly effective, but divisive at best.

    The best mask policy is to leave it as a suggestion.
     
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    I do not choose to wear a mask. I wear one when it is required by the business I am visiting. I do not believe the propaganda about masks and viruses and it's clear you do.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's the thing about science. It's true whether you believe it or not.

    For scientists, their entire mission is to disprove other scientist's findings. That's how we get better science. That's why things change; because we learn more. That's why a scientist will never claim to have all the answers. They'll tell you what they know, and then let you know when they learn something new. That's how science works.
     
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    Masks and seatbelts are not the same thing. One is a safety device and the other is not. I shouldn’t have to tell you which.

    What gets missed time in, time out by people here is the mask itself is not the issue. It’s choice that is the issue. Mandates are simply a overreach of gubernatorial control. I will tell a Karen of Kevin to chill if they have a issue with me getting a few minutes of fresh air.
     
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    There is no risk in taking HQ either but there is a campaign against it and the President for supporting it's possible use. I'm not trying to tell you not to wear a mask, I'm explaining that it is really none of your business if I do or not. Tough concept I know.
     
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    They have known some conflicting facts in this epic battle. You pick yours and I'll pick mine.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL - cheers to team "Alternate" facts. Hip hip hooray!!!
     
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    Science also said that bloodletting was a good treatment for illness such as dysentery. And one must only look at the Tuskegee syphilis trials to see how well science worked for Black Americans.

    If you think science is infallible, I have a bridge in Arizona I'd like to sell you.
     
  16. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL - you don't read? I said, "For scientists, their entire mission is to disprove other scientist's findings. That's how we get better science."

    Did you know advanced algebra 15 minutes after your birth? Why didn't we have computer phones during cave man times? Dang, dude. Do you know what the word LEARN means, or did you stop learning before you could talk?
     
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    What a lot of people are telling you is that life is defined differently by all of us. Some of us are old enough that we aren't far from the end of the road even in ideal conditions and we don't want to spend the rest of it hiding from a virus that might kill us or might just tell us to have a nice day.
     
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    What a load.
     
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    I get that. How does wearing a mask while around others harm your ability to go out and do things?
     
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    How many times have I said that I wear a mask when I go into a place that requires them.
     
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    Not another mask lecture. Please....

    Been wearing one long enough outside the home that it Is feels weird when I'm not wearing it. Like a dam seat belt.

    Anyway, good talk.
     
  22. Bearack

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    You seem locked in on the position that we are against wearing mask in public. I can absolutely deal with mask in public even though I disagree with it. Most people contention is shutting down the economy and limiting peoples ability to earn a living. I've stated that in dam near every response I've had to you regarding this topic. I do think the mask works especially for those whom are sick and project cough and sneeze but I'v posted studies showing that you as likely to get COVID with a mask (% is extremely low) as without a mask merely standing next someone with no forced breath. The PPM samplings are the same with and without. The study can be found here → https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

    But again, the mask debate is irrelevant. I'll wear a mask 100% of the time if we open EVERYTHING and get rid of these dam limitations. But the left says "No, you need to wear a mask... " when once again, we could care less about the mask.

    This is what we are talking about!

    Restaurant group sues Colorado health department over limits on dining capacity

    And this.

    Governor Polis' last call order for alcohol will remain in effect for at least another three weeks

    And this.

    Colorado Restaurant Association: 400 Colorado restaurants have closed since the pandemic hit
    A List of All of The Restaurants, Venues and More Permanently Closed Due To COVID-19


    And this.

    Running list: Denver gyms that are permanently closed in the wake of the coronavirus



     
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    No it isn't propaganda, that's exactly what I was talking about before, there are no medical arguments against wearing a mask, every argument being made against wearing masks are political. It's irrational, doctors have been wearing masks for hundreds of years as a means of protecting themselves from harmful viruses, and now they are recommending that the general populous wear them as a means of containing COVID-19. Research has shown you are 5 times more likely to catch the virus if no one wears a mask

    To stand in opposition to the recommendation of the doctors who deal with his virus for no other reason than your politics is idiotic.
     
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    The only mask that filters fine enough is the N95 and most of us aren't wearing those. The ones we wear will not filter out a particle as small as a virus. They will keep you from spraying someone with spit or mucus and it will stop those fluids
    but even one that says maga or Biden or BLM won't keep a virus from coming though.
    I don't oppose you wearing one.
     
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    A few things to consider

    1. COVID-19 has killed far more people this year than car accidents
    2. Seat belts only protect the wearer, not wearing a seat belt doesn't put anyone else at risk.
    3. Doctors have been wearing masks as a means of protecting themselves from harmful viruses for hundreds of years, and still do to this day, because they work.
    4. Research has shown that you are 5 times more likely to contact COVID-19 in situations where no one wears a mask

    When you consider all of these factors, mandated masks are currently more justified than mandatory seat belts. Again, I do not support mandated seat belts (except for passengers who are minors) and I do not support mandatory masks. People shouldn't wear a mask because it's what their governor tells them to do, they should wear a mask because it's what the doctors who deal with COVID-19 recommend

    As for getting fresh air, the best place to do that is outside. Current recommendations is to wear a mask when indoors with crowds of people. The risk of catching COVID significantly goes down when outdoors(hence why outdoor restaurants are more commonly open than indoors restaurants), but in situations like getting on a public bus, or going inside a grocery store, the best course of action is to wear a mask.
     

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