Despite GOP rhetoric, there have been fewer than two dozen charged cases..

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  1. Turin

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    We dont think it was stolen. We think it was improperly influenced by an outside nation, in cordination with the Trump campaign.

    Not the same thing. We still believe that the votes themselves cast by Americas were valid.
     
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  2. dairyair

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    Voter fraud cases end up being equal between parties. At least close enough one side can't claim to be any better than the other.
    Especially when speaking of the entire nation.

    And with all the cases that get found guilty, the % of fraud is around 0.00000004%.

    Pretty hard to get it any less. No system will ever be perfect.
     
  3. 21Bronco

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    Have a source for those numbers?
     
  4. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many dead people do you know that file compliants?
     
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    Assuming only ballots of dead people were stolen, can't you cross check dead people who are registered to vote in the county registry? Seems like it would be an easy thing to prove that hundreds of thousands of people are still on voter rolls.
     
  6. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't believe it. I simply quoted Hillary.
     
  7. dairyair

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    Provide that Hilary quote.
    She did concede.
     
  8. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay:

    The 2016 election "was not on the level"

    Trump is an "illegitimate president"

    She also used the term "shenanigans"

     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try as I might I can't find enough of the audio of that interview to know if the context is being misconstrued. However, I do know the vast majority of Dems believe in what was expressed by the author of post #76, not anything close to the "big lie." Nice try though. i'll put it in the circular file with the rest of the false equivalences.
     
  10. Doofenshmirtz

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    I will give you that, but her other quotes send the same message:

    The 2016 election "was not on the level"

    Trump is an "illegitimate president"

    She also used the term "shenanigans"
     
  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "We still believe that the votes themselves cast by Americas were valid."

    What we don't know, and never will, is the extent to which a number of factors (Russia's 'sweeping and systematic' social media campaign, Wikileaks' release of the hacked material, Comey's letter, right wing media lies) could have influenced the small number of votes that swung the election. It's a fair characterization to say *The 2016 election "was not on the level"* and "shenanigans" played a role. As much as it pains me to say it he was the legitimate prez.
     
  12. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So we have 2 sides of the same ugly coin.
     
  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In fact, we don't. We have Repubs believing in a massive conspiracy, that included Repub election officials, to deny Trump the presidency. On the other side we have folks like me admitting to Trump being the duly elected prez while pointing out the unknown nature of a number of factors on how people voted. See the difference?

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
     
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    If those are her quotes, where's the link to them?
    And are they after she conceded?
     
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    Look it up if its important to you. For me the issue is power and both Ds and Rs have far too much control over our lives.

    Since I do not suckle from either partisan nipple, I can see followers of either party as blind to their own brands BS. I have no problem with a party's beliefs; I have a problem when they impose them on me. I am sure that the lock-her-up lemmings feel just as justified as the lock-him-up lemmings do as they bleat the phrase.
     
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    It's not important to me.
    I figured if they are true, you'd link to them. But you can't for some reason.
    You're the one it must be important to, since you post them.
     
  17. Doofenshmirtz

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    Here you go. The only important issue for me is their ability to impose their beliefs on me.

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/articl...ters-dont-let-trump-steal-the-election-again/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html
     
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    What, specifically, do you disagree with about...(the election)‘Was Not On the Level.

    How would you describe an election with unprecedented foreign interference to undetermined effect, during which one candidate solicited that inference, gave proprietary polling data to the interfering government, an election that the saw the FBI break with protocol over commenting on the details of a case rather than just announcing no charges would be brought, one that saw the Repub leader in the Senate refuse to cooperate with the Obama admin on a joint statement on Russian interference, etc.



     
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  20. Doofenshmirtz

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    You are incorrect. Government can and does absolutely impose their beliefs on you. If the government believes a plant to be bad, they pass laws making you a criminal for possessing it. If you pay taxes, the mighty government can force you to fund a war you oppose.
     
  21. Doofenshmirtz

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    My post was not about agreeing with the statements of politicians. IMO, it can be assumed that everything they say is crap before they open their mouth. I will join you in criticizing Republicans. If you are a Democrat, you are not pointing with clean hands.
     
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    They can force me to certain actions. But not believe.
    My employer can as well.
    Spouse also.
     
  23. Doofenshmirtz

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    Thats why I did not say they can force you to believe. They force their beliefs on you. You can always leave your job or spouse, but you can't avoid government.

    A spouse can be a lot like the government. One time my credit card was stolen. I never reported it because the thief was spending less than my wife :p
     
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    So..........you don't want to answer the question directly. Cool.
     
  25. Doofenshmirtz

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    There is no answer. How am I supposed to know who cast their vote based on a facebook ad bought by Russia? I do not agree with Hillary or Trump. I am happy to answer question, but I can't read minds.
     

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