Despite GOP rhetoric, there have been fewer than two dozen charged cases..

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  1. fmw

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    Despite GOP rhetoric, there have been fewer than two dozen charged cases.

    And that is a scary thing. It shows how few consequences exist for voter fraud.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In truth, it shows how delusional the people who believe the Big Lie are.
     
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    Big Lie - you happily repeat the CNN talking points. Congrats. You've achieved Parrot Level 53.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After the Orange Fraud undermined public confidence in elections, Repub lawmakers are defending voting restrictions by citing a lack of public confidence.
     
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    Democrats are the ones that changed the rules at the last minute. They want a COVID passport, but not a voter ID. Which proves the stupidity of the left.
     
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    When State Representative Bobby Kaufmann of Iowa spoke in February in support of a restrictive voting bill he was sponsoring, he made what might once have been a startling acknowledgment: He could not point to any problems with November’s election that demonstrated a need for new rules.

    But many Iowans believed there had been problems, he said. And that was reason enough to allow less early voting, shorten Election Day polling hours, put new limits on absentee balloting and forbid counties to have more than one ballot drop box.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/us/politics/disinformation-voting-laws.html

    Because the problem Repubs are addressing isn't election security it's losing elections.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Long-held suspicions that GOP statehouses were outsourcing the writing of restrictive voting laws to far-right activists were seemingly confirmed in a video obtained by Mother Jones via the watchdog group Documented.

    In it, the leader of the advocacy arm for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think based in D.C., brags about the role her organization has played in crafting the wave of restrictive laws cascading across the country.

    “In some cases, we actually draft them for them,” Heritage Action Executive Director Jessica Anderson said, “or we have a sentinel on our behalf give them the model legislation so it has that grassroots, from-the-bottom-up type of vibe.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/heritage-activists-donor-video-gop-laws
     
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    No
    No. They can't. I am not obligated to do what they want.
    It's a choice.
    My wife can ask me to believe something. I can choose no. It might lead to divorce. But I am not obligated.

    You can choose to not report something, or choose to report.
    And your beliefs are not changed.
     
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    Small businesses.
     
  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Leaked Video: Dark Money Group Brags About Writing GOP Voter Suppression Bills Across the Country
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/heritage-foundation-dark-money-voter-suppression-laws/

    In a private meeting last month with big-money donors, the head of a top conservative group boasted that her outfit had crafted the new voter suppression law in Georgia and was doing the same with similar bills for Republican state legislators across the country. “In some cases, we actually draft them for them,” she said, “or we have a sentinel on our behalf give them the model legislation so it has that grassroots, from-the-bottom-up type of vibe.”

    Why would they want to deceive people by creating a "grassroots, from-the-bottom-up type of vibe?”
     
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    Misleading, as I pointed out in the other thread where you posted this.
     
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    You are 100% right, but you are not replying to what I said. I never said they can force you to believe; I said they force their beliefs on you and they absolutely do. If you choose not to report income, they can take your home, business, retirement, paycheck, and even throw you in prison. After they take your money by force, they can use it to start wars you oppose.
     
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    I am involved with several networking groups (run two small business myself) and you would be surprised.

    It vastly depends on the industry.
     
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    Yes. They can do those things.
    Those would be consequences to not abiding.
     
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    And that is why I oppose bigger, more powerful government.
     
  16. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "I never said they can force you to believe; I said they force their beliefs on you and they absolutely do."

    You're describing majority rule in a representative democracy.
     
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    By calling it cherry picking, you obviously have information of much more egregious cases of fraud. Instead of being dismissive, provide a link to instances that you think are substantial.

    Denial is an acronym: Don't Even kNow I Am Lying.
     
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    Translation: I have nothing, I'm just here to trash the truth.

    The buden of proof is on the one making the claim, something you continually fail at.

    https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Shifting-of-the-Burden-of-Proof

    If you can't or won't debate the issues, why are you even here?
     
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    Again, please prove your claim.
     
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    Seriously? Sorry, but that isn't funny to anyone over the age of 12, and it isn't appropriate.
     
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    Watch Louder With Crowder. Thanks. He documented a ton of cases.
     
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    Then show another side of it instead of just mindless whinging.
     
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    False.

    Here's how liberals debate on the internet as a whole:

    1) Run into a fact they don't like.
    2) Request the claimer "post a source".
    3) Disparage source as biased without providing any evidence that the source is wrong (genetic fallacy).
    4) Ignore sources provided.
    5) Ignore logic.
    6) Claim victory.

    Which is what you're doing here. You're on step 2. I've done this type of debate for over 20 years. It's so predictable.
     
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    Read your own post here.
     

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