Did Yahweh do us a favor by denying us eternal life?

Did Yahweh do us a favor by denying us eternal life?

It seems that the older I get, the less enjoyable and desirable the thought of living eternally becomes, even though I am quite pleased with how my life has evolved and how I will end this life.

Be it with a body here on earth, or as a spirit in some heaven, I cannot imagine anyone living eternally and enjoying it.

It would be like living watching the same T V program running over and over and over, since there is nothing new under the sun. All would be seen as allegories and or analogous of other situations.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

 

Im 39, and I'm still curious enough about the future to want to be apart of it. Whether that future is this life or the next.

I think we are eternal. Whether that eternality is 'life' or not may be debatable and certainly none of us know either way. Maybe reincarnation. Maybe Heaven. Maybe one then other, or maybe just the void.

Im hoping for something like Valhalla.

 

That your soul is eternal cannot be diminished, period.

I believe that because I've had out of body experiences, and I realized that "I" am not the body, and once free, nothing can hurt me.

It was an epic wonderful feeling, it led to an incredible realization, but I've been unable to do it at will. Sometimes it happens after meditating for a few hours, so I think I'm on the right track.

Here's what must you know: There is a realization awaiting you, and I call it "fruition of the soul'. I've achieved it for brief periods, but I do not live there, yet.

Here's the thing: when it happens to you, and some day it will ( in this life, or the next incarnation or one after that -- yes, reincarnation is true ) what you will know at that moment is that life, as you have known it, becomes a moot point. see, you won't exist in space or time, and to say 'I'll be bored' assumes that 'enlightenment' 'heaven' ( or whatever term endears you the most ) requires the baggage accumulation of time' for that to occur, and since you will exist outside of time, life, as you have previously known it, will become moot. A new form of existence will replace it, but there is no way that the mind can conceive of it, one has to drop the mind in order to see it, i.e., the 'ego'.

That idea will confound the mind, the mind will have a very big problem with the concept, it's like a zen koan ( which is what the purpose of the koans are, to confound the mind or to hasten the release of the grip it has over the soul so that the soul can be freed from it's limitations. The mind is like a cocoon, it's essential for the ultimate spiritual fruition of the soul just as a caterpillar builds a cocoon, then when it's ready to fly, it breaks loose from it.) Just know that your fear is unfounded, and that something incredible is in store for everyone, including you, and that the grand plan of the universe, is something very good.

You can have faith in that, if nothing else.Perhaps, these are just suggestions, not demands. I'm not asking anyone to accept any of this, it's just what has worked for me. You don't need a religion to achieve it, for the act of meditation, the act of right conduct ( as Buddha taught ) vigilance, mindfulness, etc., is the quality of being religious.

Being religious is the thing, not 'having a religion'. It' a quality, not a practice or ritual. one starts out being doing something, ie., 'meditates' but eventually the quality of meditation overcomes you, and you are in a constant state of meditation ( called mindfulness ) and at that juncture, you no longer have to 'sit and meditate' you are meditation, it has permeated your being, and you are on the fast track to spiritual fruition.

If I hadn't had my own spiritual experience, I would be apathetic, life would seem meaningless. I am not a member of any religion, zen, Buddhism, etc., but I am into meditation and what it can do for me. You don't even have to be religious or spiritual to do it, as it has therapeutic value. One can do it just for the benefits it has for one's well being.

Whether or not the above means anything to you are not, just know that there will be something good in store for you, you just need to have faith in that concept. I don't mean 'possess a faith' as in having a religion, just have faith in the notion that all of your fears are unfounded, if you can understand that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, it's just that its far away now and you can't sense it. Or, at least, that is what I gather from your post.

 

I can dig it as long as I didn't get old and drag a sick body around.

When you are young just existence is a trip as everything is new. I hope heaven is like that and consciousness is like a young person's..

 

I can dig it as long as I didn't get old and drag a sick body around.

When you are young just existence is a trip as everything is new. I hope heaven is like that and consciousness is like a young person's..

 

I would like to go to Heaven eventually, but for now, Heaven can wait. I would like to be reincarnated. with an intuitive knowledge of that I have learned by analyzing my mistakes in life.

 

If you knew that the soul was eternal - and that you would be reborn somewhere else - would you want to remember your past life.

These are eerie questions - the mind does now well deal with the concept of infinite existence.

Indeed El - YHWHs Dad - The Creator - The Father - God of Abraham - may well have done us a favor - keeps things interesting.

 

We all do, while ignoring that all Shangri-La stories end in revolt due to boredom.

The writers just can't come up with a scenario that holds an interest eternally.

Regards
DL

 

Strange that my own apotheosis and enlightenment showed that what you experienced.

Mine said that if a god created us and can't teach us all he wants on the first pass, then he is incompetent.

You have made a yo yo out of your soul by thinking that it rolls on and off the earth.

If Yahweh is who you think enlightened you, why would you think that a genocidal god gave you the right picture and that it was not an evil spirit?

If you follow Yahweh, an evil god, you may not be able to tell the difference.

Regards
DL

 

The age or condition of the body, to me, would not ease the boredom. Just look at the suicide stats for children. They are rising as we speak.

A young consciousness does not seem to help those children.

Man lives for a purpose, and an eternal soul does not seem to have any.

Regards
DL

 

Your mistakes, I take, as when you have done evil to others.

That is a normal and desirable trait when you consider that you are an evolving animal that must compete as well as cooperate and when you compete, as you must, the loser of that competition will feel that evil has befallen him.

You cannot get away from doing evil.

Scriptures agree with nature and science on this one point.

Regards
DL

 

If Yahweh is content with memory wipes to his puppets, which is what you propose, you show that he is also bored out of his skull.

If Yahweh could do memory wipes, one would think that he would have used it on Satan and all of her followers. This kind of indicates that it is not an option for god.

Kind of screws with the free will we are supposed to have as well.

Regards
DL

 

Would you not be bored out of your skull listening to humans and all other creatures worshiping you day and night - 365 days a year - for eternity

Would you not hit the reset button at some point !?

 

Absolutely. Why is Yahweh waiting, and why would a god suddenly gain a desire for worship that would have him create us in the first place?

It would be like you or I creating a fan club. Talk about an ego trip.

My fan club is bigger than your fan club. If that fan club is Christianity, Yahweh's best, it is immoral garbage.

Regards
DL

 

God created humans to ease the boredom - needed some reality TV to watch - Earth is not the only Channel - God has millions of stations - little experiments set up throughout the universe.

 

That would be cool, but unfortunately, nature seems to close the curtains on past lives ( if you accept the concept of reincarnation )

I prefer not to look at spirituality though an anthropological lens. That being said, some metaphors still work. I follow no one but my own intuition, while acknowledging advice from sages ( lao tzu, for example ) In my experience, there is no personal god. I've experienced that there is a fundamental spiritual basis to life, but it's not a 'being', it's similar to the sea, life flows mysteriously from from it, in a grand, ordered chaos, bubbles drift upward in a ordered chaotic fashion to the sky. Some crawl along the mud, some swim in strata at the middle, and there are flying fish, as well. We all swim in our respective strata and it's all good. That's my take on it,. Other's mileage may vary.

 

You know this as a fact, how?

Do you think you would be happy living vicariously the way god does for eternity? A watcher and never a doer?

Regards
DL

 

What lens do you use then?

Do you think you can know spirituality, whatever that means, by looking in some other way?

Regards
DL

 

A Rhetorical Question - of course not - but have you a better theory

I would be your Knight in Shining armor - coming to your emotional rescue

 

They must not have the consciousnesses that I can remember so long ago..

They must be working off karma,?

Living without the burden of yesterday means each day is brand new. I recall living in that consciousness for years. I imagine that is the consciousnesses that goes to heaven.

 

Any theory based on reality and not fantasy has to be better. Mine is seeing nature as my creator and not a vile genocidal god.

Regards
DL

 

Bodies sure don't.

As to karma. I see it as victim blaming of the type you just did in saying children deserve whatever evil they get due to some past life.

Try telling that to some rape victim or a mother who gives birth to a defective baby.

Karma is for haters, not lovers in such cases.

Regards
DL

 

But Valhalla isn't a Shangrila story. IIRC, the fallen soldiers training at Valhalla are eventually defeated at (or during) Ragnarok, and 'only' manage to prevent the total annihilation of the human race, of whom just enough survive to start anew.

Or, according to a very conceptual interpretation of the legend goes, anyway XD

 

You know more on this than I do.

Let me bow out.

Regards
DL

 

This is as much a fantasy as the other - well - perhaps not quite as much but close - and in most respects - and then I am going to disagree with you altogether and suggest that Nature knows that it exists - which is what you are suggesting - in slight contradiction of yourself - I think.

In any case - food for thought - and not that far off from my initial premise - of an experimental God - that - rather than do nothing - does something - and perhaps sends out emanations from time to time - little waves of inspiration - just for fun to keep things interesting.

But enough of this navel gazing and on to other navel gazing - My description of YHWH in numerous posts is "xenophobic flip flopping genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human charactaristics and emotions"

It is understandable how the Gnostics would view the YHWH archtype as a demiurge - Jesus as a different Aeon - both being emanations from the Godhead.

YHWH makes a rule - "Children should not be punished for the sins of their parents" - good rule - part of the modern Rule of Law - one person not to be punished for the actions of another.

Two pages later and he is commanding the Israelites to slaughter entire towns - of Israelites and other tribes - killing women Children and babies - "because of the sins of their parents".

Can't seem to make up its mind this all powerful eternal all knowing God. One moment to the next - Perhaps a wee bit too much of the Godly hard stuff ..

Not exactly the "Turn the other cheek - love neighbor as self - let ye without sin cast the first rock - judge not lest u be judged - God of Jesus.