Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  2. No.

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  3. Don't know, no opinion.

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    What you subsidize, you get more of at a higher cost. What you penalize, you get less of and/or black markets. I worry that simply saying, "yup, person needs stuff: let's give that person stuff" would lead to an economic collapse. And that hurts everyone.
     
  2. crank

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    No idea what a Flint is, unless you're talking about lighting fires.

    Meantime, can you answer this question? Do you believe people are incapable of making decisions which keep them poor?
     
  3. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    That's it, exactly. It's an utterly terrible system.

    All taxpayer funded assistance must come with strict criteria. They should always be policed as for bank loans and the like, since it's otherwise an act of trust.
     
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  4. bringiton

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    Flint is a mostly black city in Michigan where the water supply has been contaminated with lead for decades. Lead poisoning causes cognitive impairment, and there is no harmless dose.
    More to the point, if their brains have been damaged by lead poisoning, are they even capable of making decisions that don't keep them poor?
     
  5. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    Flint, Michigan, where lead is raising hell with the kids living there.

    The basics never change.

    If you want people to succeed, they need to be healthy, educated and have opportunity. Blacks lack those things, in far too many places.
     
  6. crank

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    Let's look at the big picture, shall we .. instead of unique problems in one town, in one nation.

    So I'll ask you now .. do you believe that people are incapable of making decisions which keep them in poverty?
     
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  7. crank

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    Why do they lack them? And let's leave your one town example out of this, and focus on an average.

    Give us your understanding of why African Americans can't be healthy or educated, and specifically how they miss out on the opportunities everyone else has.
     
  8. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    While the terrorism is sharply reduced, the damage remains.

    Rightys whine about Chicago a lot. KKK terrorism drove Blacks out of the South, and they wound up in poor neighborhoods in big cities like Chicago. They are still there. They have never had access to decent education, or anything else.

    Among the educated, this is old, old, old news. The rate at which people in general escaped poverty ground to almost nothing years before Corona hit. Now the number of poor is sharply up.

    So few of any color escape poverty because it's near impossible. For Blacks it's even harder. And that was before things went to hell.

    We figured all this out a long time ago. You have to build the world you want. This is exactly like disaster relief, because what was done was a disaster.

    In the unlikely event that you want this to end, they are going to need education, decent health care, and a chance to get a job. Not rocket science, but also not cheap.
     
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    1) Please give the examples requested. Your specific understanding of how/why African Americans can't be healthy/educated/have opportunities, etc.

    2) Yes, exactly. Building the world WE want, means WE must build it .. obviously. Those who do nothing, while hoping someone else 'fixes' it on their behalf, are our greatest enemy. They have motives that should come with a trigger warning.

    3) On the contrary, I appear to be one of the few here who do want it to end. I'm the one saying that education etc is essential for the advancement of African Americans. Do you have any idea just how many so-called Leftist Progressives don't want African Americans educated? It's shocking, how hard they work to keep the black man down.
     
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  10. bringiton

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    If you think that is a unique problem in one town in one nation, unrelated to any other problems in any other towns or nations, you have simply decided not to know the relevant facts. IME refusal to know facts is the most common technique people use to preserve their false and evil beliefs.
    No, of course not: almost all the available options will keep them in poverty, so it takes some knowledge, intelligence, honesty and courage to make the ones that don't. But as I asked before and will ask you now: more to the point, if their brains have been damaged by lead poisoning, how capable are they of making decisions that don't keep them in poverty?
     
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    They aren't Left or actually Progressive.

    They are NIMBY.

    Sad to say, it isn't just them, most Americans hate education reform. If you've seen my other posts on education, there is only one solution, Federal schools.

    We need toi design the best schools in the world, and offer them to any community that wants them.
     
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  12. Conservative Democrat

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    Among humans, those who have larger brains in proportion to their body size do tend to be more intelligent.

    Neanderthals had larger brains than the Cro Magnons who displaced them. Nevertheless, the parts of their brains that were larger were parts that determine reflexes and coordination. The frontal lobes, which is where thinking occurs, were smaller.
     
  13. Conservative Democrat

    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

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    The War on Poverty was begun in 1964. Since then trillions of dollars have been spent on anti poverty programs with little discernible effect. The following chart demonstrates that more money spent on public schools does not result in better test scores.

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    The studies on proportional neocortex size will be non starters and even if presented in peer reviewed journals will be summarily dismissed.

    The days of impartial university study are over.
     
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    A lot of the War on Poverty sucked.

    It also has less than zero relevance to what I said.

    But I guess if all you want is an excuse, any excuse will do..
     
  16. Conservative Democrat

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    One can maintain that this or that anti poverty program was poorly designed. One cannot demonstrate that they have enabled the hard core unemployable to become law abiding, tax paying members of the working class.
     
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    Fortunately those constraints do not exist in China. After rejecting the lies of Maoism the Chinese find it easy to reject the lies that "Race is only a social construct," and "We are all the same under the skin."

    The Chinese have no reason to fear a genetic inquiry into racial differences in average intelligence, and criminal and sexual behavior. Throughout the world they are known for intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy, even when they are poor. This is true for Koreans, Japanese, and Vietnamese too. In the United States Orientals earn their title as "the model minority."
     
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    Repeating absurdity doesn't improve it.
     
  19. bringiton

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    East Asians generally do not suffer from ideologically motivated delusions about race. But unfortunately, there is also a strong traditional current of ethnocentric racism in China, and a belief in the natural superiority specifically of the Han Chinese, even over other East Asians such as the Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc. I can easily imagine this turning even uglier than what we already see being done to Tibet and the Uighur ethnic minority in western China.
    IME East Asian monogamy is more legal than sexual. Although divorce is less common and less socially acceptable among East Asians, prostitution and the use of prostitutes are more common and more socially accepted in Japan, Korea, China and Southeast Asian countries than in the USA or most other Western countries. I saw a report that claimed one South Korean woman in 10 had engaged in prostitution by the age of 25.
     
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  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    There is a reason that uniformed Japanese schoolgirls have a worldwide reputation, and it's not entirely due to anime.
     
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    disagree, the china men have never been tested.

    whites are the superior race because they have won world wars.
     
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    Yes the Chinese don’t care about political correctness. Another cultural stupidity they can exploit as businessmen. It makes them and me laugh at the absurdity.
     
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    What helps make people healthy?

    What helps brain development in early life?
     
  24. crank

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    Your schools aren't the problem. Your parents are.

    But yes, they're mostly NIMBYs.
     
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    They're the same options available to all. Same options, different people. Some will exploit those options and torque them into educational success and financial security (eg we know that non-white people are ahead of whites in these measures, in America), and some won't.

    And no it doesn't take intelligence or knowledge, all it takes is self-discipline.
     

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