Doing something that could result in abortion

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you all say that, if a woman finds herself pregnant, she has the right to get an abortion.
    Fine, let's go with that for the moment, for the sake of this thread.

    And if there's something wrong with the fetus, or her health is threatened, she has the right to get an abortion, even if it's late-term.
    Fine, let's go with that here.

    My question is, what if the woman does something that could cause an abortion in the future?

    I mean, before she is even thinking about getting abortion. Or perhaps she wouldn't get the abortion if it were not for the consequences of something else she does.
    Or, maybe even in some cases the thing the woman does that ends up "requiring" the abortion happens before she even gets pregnant.

    I could give all sorts of examples of what some of these things might be. Drug or alcohol abuse. Engaging in dangerous extreme activities while pregnant. Perhaps in the future even genetic modification, when it carries the risk of something going wrong. How about even having a child, when there is high genetic risk something will be wrong with it, and then the woman will get an abortion? Severely mentally handicapped people might engage in procreation, and then the baby will "have to" be aborted. These are just a few examples.
    I don't want to specifically focus on any one of them, so much. The question I am asking, I am trying to keep generalized. What if the woman does something that could end up requiring her to get an abortion later? Is that okay. Is it still all part of her "choice" to do those things, just as much as it is her choice to decide whether or not she wants to be pregnant?

    Another possible example, an optional course of medical treatment for the woman that could likely result in permanent severe damage to the fetus, and then it would have to be aborted to avoid long-term developmental disability of the baby.
    We've heard of surgeons denying cosmetic surgery to women who were pregnant, because they feared the anesthesia might be harmful to the fetus. (That was the case with Jossie Cunningham, though she did end up getting an abortion anyway so she could get her surgery and not have to wait)
    Or we could even talk about sex. A woman who has endless sex, with many different strange men, and despite her taking birth control measures, there's always the chance of getting pregnant.
    How about a pregnant female missionary that chooses to go into a disease hot-spot zone in Africa? Despite warnings that if she catches the disease, it could cause complications that might require her to abort. We read, for example, that there were women in Brazil aborting their pregnancies because they were afraid their baby might be born mentally retarded due to the Zika virus.

    You know, some time ago I started a thread about women who intentionally get pregnant for their sexual fetish. They just get a thrill about being big plump and pregnant in the bedroom.
    But they don't really want the baby, so it inevitably gets aborted.
    ("Breeding": the creepy new fetish involving pregnancy and abortion)

    In all these cases, the woman did something that she knew would, or could very likely have a high chance of leading to abortion.

    Is that still okay and acceptable?

    Could an argument be made that, if a woman is going to have a lot of sex with lots of men, that she does have some obligation to use contraceptives to minimize the chances of a pregnancy, and thus an abortion? Since presumably she is going to abort if she gets pregnant.
     
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    Yes, despite all your fantasies, legal abortion is legal....


    And as you have been told many, many times,in many , many threads where you bring it up constantly NO one is OBLIGATED to use birth control...

    :) Too bad for Anti-Choicers but women can have all the sex they want …!!! :) :) :nana::nana:
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This thread is not talking about whether women can get an abortion.

    It's talking about whether they should be allowed to do other things that have a high chance of leading to their decision of getting an abortion.
     
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    Oh, you mean the government should make special "Woman Crimes"...women shouldn't have as much sex as men perhaps??

    Or maybe locking women up and only allowing them to breed at certain times and ways that are acceptable to Anti-Choicers?

    Laws that state women must not do anything unacceptable to Anti-Choicers or they can't "earn" an abortion?

    :) Sounds like you have a problem with women having any rights at all...





    And as you have been told many, many times,in many , many threads where you bring it up constantly NO one is OBLIGATED to use birth control...

    :) Too bad for Anti-Choicers but women can have all the sex they want …!!! :) :) :nana::nana:
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, it's not just about crimes. I'm also asking about social and moral obligations.

    You know, things can still be wrong and women should not do them, even if they are legal.


    And you know, drug use is illegal. So I'm not really even necessarily talking about making something a crime that isn't already.
    Just extra punishment, because she was pregnant when she did it.
     
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    That's up to women to decide.....it sure sounds like you want special "Rules For Women"

    NO one has to meet YOUR moral standards to have a medical procedure....


    Would you like your life examined and judged by others before you were allowed health care
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is illegal to get totally wasted drunk in public. Why not make it illegal to do the same while pregnant?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Josie Cunningham's life was judged by others (in the National Health System) and deemed not worthy of getting her cosmetic surgery.

    Do you disagree with that? Do you think they should have administered anesthesia to her, even knowing it could harm her fetus?
     
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    DUHHHHHHHHHHHH, it is....
     
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    I have no idea who that is nor the circumstances but it did help you dodge :

    FoxHastings said:
    Would you like your life examined and judged by others before you were allowed health care ?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was giving an extreme counter example that obviously contradicts your case.
     
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    All your "examples" are extreme...

    I have no idea who that is nor the circumstances but it did help you dodge :

    FoxHastings said:
    Would you like your life examined and judged by others before you were allowed health care ?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FoxHastings, your question is ridiculous.
    It's only while she's pregnant.
     
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    You can only enforce so much. We live in a fallen world.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's obvious from some of the responses I get in these threads.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If anyone wants to see an example where a woman ruined the lives of all her children through her abuse of alcohol, read the story in this thread:
    Race and adoption

    She kept on repeatedly drinking until she passed out, that was her way of dealing with her life situation, and all five of her children ended up getting severe fetal alcohol syndrome - a permanent condition - that will likely ruin the rest of their lives. Some of them will likely end up in prison because they can't control themselves.

    Progressives support - and in fact demand - equality of opportunity, but just look how they handle a situation like this.
    Those poor little children were not given equality of opportunity. It was taken away from them beginning in the womb. (And just to clarify, I'm not talking about abortion here)
     
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    Then why is it in the Abortion Forum ????


    Did you plan on posting all the things The Evil Woman does??? But not, of course, all the evil men do....
     
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    I understand the disdain you feel for these acts of irresponsibility. Somehow I think a lot of things can be changed if the culture would once again take on a spirit of accountability to each other. Used to call it "peer pressure". We live in an age where Marxism ideology takes precedence over virtue. Our education system is twisted and family values are mocked. The battle is much bigger than passing laws. Always has been. Laws only safeguard against those who feel no accountability......even to a Higher power.
     
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    Why do you seem to make me repeatedly have to point out the obvious to you?

    You can't figure out the connection between the two?

    Woman abuses alcohol, ruining the life of her child through fetal alcohol syndrome

    Woman says she needs to get a late-term abortion because her unborn child has fetal alcohol syndrome, and that if she gives birth the child's life will be ruined

    You can't see the connection??

    Why don't you think about that a little bit, before you make posts like you do.

    Maybe the fact that pro-choicers blot out connections in their mind like that explains why they hold positions like they do.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me try to make this even more clear and spell it out for you.

    Women try to get abortions because they say they should be able to get them for certain reasons.
    But what about when the woman creates those very same reasons that are being used to justify those abortions?


    This is, of course, especially all the more applicable in the case of late-term abortions.

    Anybody who can't figure out how this makes sense DOESN'T WANT TO figure out how it makes sense.
    " I'm feeling this is going in an uncomfortable direction, so my brain is going to shut down on this line of thinking "
     
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    Ya, I've seen you say it's OK to suspend women's rights because it's "only for a little while"....a ridiculous statement...and , sadly for you, NOT going to happen :)
     
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    Only when it affects somebody else.

    You can't see a connection between that and the woman who gave all five of her children fetal alcohol syndrome?


    I wonder if most of your fellow pro-choicers will back you up on this one.
     
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    What connection? What's connected?


    I asked why it was in the abortion forum because YOU posted
    kazenatsu said:
    If anyone wants to see an example where a woman ruined the lives of all her children through her abuse of alcohol, read the story in this thread:
    Race and adoption

    She kept on repeatedly drinking until she passed out, that was her way of dealing with her life situation, and all five of her children ended up getting severe fetal alcohol syndrome - a permanent condition - that will likely ruin the rest of their lives. Some of them will likely end up in prison because they can't control themselves.

    Progressives support - and in fact demand - equality of opportunity, but just look how they handle a situation like this.
    Those poor little children were not given equality of opportunity. It was taken away from them beginning in the womb. (And just to clarify, I'm not talking about abortion here) """""
     
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    Between WHAT and the woman who gave her kids fetal alcohol syndrome???

    What is the connection....there has to be at least two things if there is any "connection"...What TF connection are you going on about??


    And NO you can't suspend someone's rights.
     
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