Evidence that the Holocaust DIDN'T happen?

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  1. Scott

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    There's nothing here that's inconsistent with what the revisionists say. They don't say there was no brutality. They say the part about the gas chambers is false. You don't seem to be up on the revisionists' version. Here's most of it.
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
     
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    Been to Vietnam, Laos, Korea, Okinawa, Taiwan, and 37 states.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=aus...h=451#imgrc=CoTixkaUnacycM:&spf=1516987474283

    Saw some really bad shat, but never saw anything that looked remotely like the above.
     
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    Let's see the great generals of WW2 insisted film be made so evidence was clear and on the record of the horrors and further there were witnesses of the horrors so frankly anyone denying the Holocaust are ,to me, morons but I feel idiots should be allowed to show their inferior views so they can be debunked. The numbers might be off or not but to say it never happened is denied by the evidence and extensive witnesses not just Jews but Christian minorities, Communists, Roma, Homosexuals and Intellectuals and others.

    As for those questioning sources what would be the point of lying, the Germans and Nazi Regimes were a broken people and the Nuremburg Trials laid the horrors bare.

    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
     
  5. Scott

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    I just watched the bottom video. I'll watch the other one later when I have time.

    The narrator says there were gas chambers there but how is it proven? The footage seems consistent with the revisionist version of the camps.

    http://nazigassings.com/
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    There are NO photographs of corpses of Nazi gassing victims. The cheap, dirty trick which really makes the hoax succeed is the wilful misuse of pictures of countless sick and dead in the camps at the end of the war—none of which are of people killed in gas chambers—but which are repeatedly shown to give the false impression that millions of people must have been murdered in gas chambers. There really is no direct connection--but for the more than gullible masses, the connection is “undeniable.” The people who show those pictures are all in on the trick. They all know perfectly well that the pictures are of people who died of other causes such as typhus—but they use the pictures anyway for their powerful psychological effect to precondition their audience for the gassing and mass extermination pitch which inevitably follows. The pictures are irrelevant except for their enormous shock value. Pictures of countless healthy prisoners in the same camps are generally not shown for reasons that are all too obvious. This delibeerate misuse of photographs is rather widespread and illustrates the collective eagerness of many people (the “hoaxers“ or co-conspirators in the hoax), especially in the American media, to throw whatever they can find against the Nazis, SS and Germans generally just like spiteful children. They want to believe in the hoax.
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    Please show a time mark where there is something in the videos that proves there were gas chambers.
     
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    When you cremate bodies there wouldn't be human remains and those were discarded en mass, the bodies found were of the many other victims, and these were not Death Camps seems like the Nazi's slaughtered untold numbers by lack of care and working them to death. That is the point of the Holocaust the killing of targeted peoples.
     
  8. Scott

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    Watch this video from the 2:31:35 to the 2:35:33 time mark.

    One Third of the Holocaust (Dean Irebodd/Denierbud)
     
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    More bullshit from a pinhead denialist who didn't meet a fallacy or lie he didn't like.

    Dean Irebodd is an idiot. Interesting company you keep.
     
  10. Scott

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    Go into some detail. What about the German who got the same results as Leuchter? Why was he jailed for doing simple research. The truth does not fear investigation.
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
     
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    Oh please. Leuchter's "results" were utter bullshit. Are you referring to Rudolph? That sleazebag?
    can

    Neo nazi, jew hating, holocaust denying revisionist rubbish. Amazing what one can find when turning over rocks in the swamp.
     
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  13. Scott

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    Is empty rhetoric and invective the best you can do. You're behaving like a checkmated sophist*. Mere rhetoric and invective is not an argument and thinking people are not swayed by it.

    http://www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html
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    1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.
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    I never got a response to this on another Holocaust thread.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/holocaust.497598/page-15#post-1067903176

    Let's hear your view.


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    The link is dead so here's the page where I got that quote.
    http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/5.html

    If you don't see it, do a page search on the word, "Almanac".


    *
    http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
    https://openheartedrebel.com/2012/0...-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
     
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    No its not rhetoric, its a concise and precise description of bullshit.

    Leuchter is a clown. An unqualified clown whose "investigation" was filmed. Watch Mr. Death, the video he made of his antics. He clearly demonstrates that he has no clue of the chemical properties of HCN. He demonstrates a complete lack of scientific technique. He demonstrates a profound ignorance of just about everything required to conduct any kind of forensic analysis.
     
  15. Scott

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    I'll post after I've watched it.

    I'm going to watch this one too.

    Germar Rudolf presents Auschwitz facts



    You watch it too and we can talk about it. Also, please comment on the stuff I posted that you skipped.
     
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    More bullshit.

    I did comment on the stuff you posted. Its a pile of jew hating stupidity, rife with fallacy, outrageous leaps of logic, lies, misrepresentations wrapped around a couple of disassociated facts.

    Intellectual integrity has never been an issue for holocaust deniers, since theirs can only be measured by molecular weight.
     
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    A lot of them came to London, Paris, New York, Chicago, etc. and changed their names to Christian sounding names?????
     
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    Don't forget the other countless Jews who went to Palestine, disappeared into the Soviet Gulag system, followed the victorious Allies back to defeated Germany and those who set up real Death Camps for German civilians in post WW2 Poland(1)

    The original Red Cross Report of 1946 which seems to me to be the most credible source cites the total number of deaths, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, pedophiles etc to be under 300,000 from all causes with absolutely no mention made of "gas chambers" (2)

    Over the decades the dismal fate of those many ethic groups interned in German Work Camps has become one of the most crassly exploited & virulently promoted tragedies of the many similar tragedies to have plagued mankind during the 1900s.

    One can deny Holodomor, the Armenian genocide or the murderous excesses of Pol Pot with impunity but heaven help the hapless soul who questions any facet of what has come to be known as "The Holocaust". However, the factual fragility of the standard holocaust narrative (6 million Jews gassed & etc) can be measured by the degree of frenetic vitriol spewed by selectively outraged adherents of that ethnically / religiously exclusive cult.

    As most of us know, "Holocaust denial" is a crime in many allegedly democratic countries but the racist marketeers working within the holocaust industry have gone so far in attempting to monopolize the pity market that they oppose a similar law, "Holodomor denial", because it "cheapens" the memory of Holocaust victims(3) as if the suffering of one group is more profound because of it religious or ethnic make up.

    Hundreds of millions of innocent men, women & children died painful & miserable deaths throughout the 20th century at the hands of many barbarous monsters of multiple faiths, nationalities & ethnic groups. Perhaps the greatest disservice done to the Jewish victims of the WW2 era is the crass & fraudulent commercialization of their fate committed by the fatuous, grasping & exploitative members of what Norman Finkelstein calls The Holocaust Industry.

    Finally, it doesn't matter how many Jews died decades ago or how they died. What matters is that they not be cheated in the last years of their lives by Holocaust Hucksters(4).


    (1) "An Eye for an Eye by John Sack"
    https://www.scribd.com/document/89657197/An-Eye-for-an-Eye-by-John-Sack-PDF#

    EXCERPT "After the Second World War, thousands of Christian Germans were tortured, mutilated and killed by Jews who sought to take revenge. In this unspoken chapter of history, the Jewish overlords were aided by the Allies in both carrying out the crimes and also in the subsequent coverup."CONTINUED


    (2) "RED CROSS EXPOSES “JEWISH” HOLOCAUST HOAX: INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/inte...ort-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/
    EXCERPT "In all its 1,600 pages the three-volume Report does not even mention such a thing as a ‘gas chamber’. It acknowledges that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but’ its complete silence on the subject of’gassings’ is ample refutation of the ‘Holocaust’ legend."CONTINUED


    (3) "WIESENTHAL CENTER SLAMS UKRAINIAN HOLOCAUST BILL"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Wiesenthal-Center-slams-Ukrainian-Holocaust-bill-408575

    EXCERPT "The Simon Wiesenthal Center has criticized legislation proposed by a Ukrainian Jewish lawmaker to criminalize the denial of both the Holocaust and the Holodomor, claiming that it cheapens the memory of Nazi victims"CONTINUED


    (4) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298
     
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  19. Scott

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    Can you point something out in this video that makes him deserve to be called an idiot?

    One Third of the Holocaust (Dean Irebodd/Denierbud)


    He seems to be using the scientific method. He doesn't seem to have a foregone conclusion.

    This site used to have readable photos of the pages of the Red Cross report.
    https://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

    The pages are not there any more. I think the site got hacked.

    Here's an excerpt.
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    No Evidence Of Genocide

    One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

    Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 7[​IMG]. By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

    In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).
     
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    Still another credible source that refutes the legendary " genocide" & "gas chambers" myths are the heavily censored British interceptions of German radio transmissions that make no mention of "racial extermination", "gas chambers" etc.

    “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt
    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communi-cations between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED
     
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    Look at the dates on your articles. Nothing from current mainstream sources is to be trusted.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...germany-in-1933.401955/page-3#post-1066548138


    You still haven't addressed what I asked you to address about Dean Irebodd.


    You never addressed this.

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/5.html
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    The 1939 study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938. 17 Because Ruppin (who passed away in 1943) was considered the fore-most expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1933, which ap-
    pears in the 1940 World Almanac, was 15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no source is given but the figure is appar-ently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac re-vised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 74, 1948 (page 572) and 1949 (page 289). The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1938 (sic
    ), 15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee which were developed in 1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
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    You never commented on what I posted on the eye witnessess...
    http://ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.shtml

    ...or the confessions.
    http://www.nazigassings.com/BernardClarke.html
    http://www.whale.to/b/faurisson.html


    You're only posting stuff from mainstream sources and using rhetoric and hurling insults.


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    This would get you laughed out of the debating hall. The guy was a PH.D student when he did those tests.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-didnt-happen.336026/page-25#post-1068667633

    Please address this properly.
     
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    I can't believe the lengths that the revisionist will go to.

     
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    Was the title of the youtube you cited "THE LAST DAYS OF THE BIG LIE" (English subtitles). If so, it was quite impressive & well worth watching.
    Thanks
     
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    What "Nazi records" show this?

    My question about the Jews is how many of them were mowed down by Stalin as bourgeois, reactionaries, etc.? He made a point of wiping out business classes, intelligentsia, clergy, farmers who were too affluent, etc. I have a really hard time believing he'd have spared the Jews and Jews only from this.
     

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