Ex-Judge Roy Moore Files Supreme Court Brief to Urge End to Marriage Equality

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  1. ProgressivePatriot

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    This is sickening, disgusting and heart breaking ! There is something seriously wrong with people who think that they have the right to control the lives of other people in the name of their distorted and bastardized version of religious liberty.

    Same sex marriage has been the law of the land since June of 2015. Five years. Same sex couples have actually been getting married much longer than that in some states. Society has not been undermined and the institution of marriage has not been destroyed. In fact, in my estimation, is stronger when there is inclusion and the base is broadened.

    Furthermore, it is not even an issue for the vast majority of Americans. These same sex couple have just become part of the social fabric and are an integral part of the community like everyone else. They work, they pay taxes, they volunteer, the maintain homes and establish families. And now they and their children can enjoy the same legal protections , financial advantages and social status as the rest of us take for granted.

    And what will happen if Obergefell is overturned. No doubt some states- and we could pretty much name then- would halt such weddings. But it is unknown if they would, or could void the marriages that have taken place already. Straight people should consider how they would feel if their marriage was somehow annulled for some bogus religious reason- such as not being married in a church. They should think about how their lives would be upended by a cascade of legal and financial issues thrown at them.

    It is clear to me that people like Davis and Moore have serious problems and suffer from something bordering on a religious psychosis. They have absolutely no compassion or empathy for the people who would be devastated by this.

    I can think of no time in the history of this nation that a right was established and then revoked. It would truly be a dark day in America if such a thing were to happen . My only hope is that John Roberts, a conservative to be sure- but one who is also concerned about his legacy, and that of his court-would not let this happen.

    https://www.newsweek.com/ex-judge-r...ourt-brief-urge-end-marriage-equality-1492300

     
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    with respect to what I put into bold letters. I am complete agreement and that includes liberals trying to force their agenda, including about deviant sexual behaviors.
     
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    No Slick, No one is trying to control YOUR life. That is just bullshit. When someone tries to force you to have a type of sex that you disapprove of, or tries to make you get gay married, then you would have a legitimate gripe. When others tell you what other consenting adults you can love and marry you will have something to bitch about. Until then you are just whining like a little brat who wants what he want and to hell with everyone else. Most people grow out of that phase by age 7 or 8.
     
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    hmm, You push forth your gay agenda, Christians push forth their agenda. What in the bloody heck is the difference?

    Is it ok when it's your agenda but not ok when it differs from you? That is the point you are making

    Why is it that leftists do not understand that their OPINIONS are not always the correct OPINION ?
     
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    Whoever earns the most should take the most in any divorce imo, there is no sense in a deadbeat stay at home wife taking her bread winning husband to the cleaners, especially if she's immature and abusive.
    Equal marriage? Yeah right.
     
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    How is allowing same sex marriage controlling your life?
     
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    I think we might want to learn more about the compensation package the 'officers' of this non profit organization. Maybe Moore is not quite as stupid about personal finance as he appears to be about the law.

    I suspect the 'gay agenda' is not the agenda we should be talking about in this thread.
     
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    Here's the difference.

    Gay people were trying to get control over their own lives (who THEY could marry).

    Some Christians were trying to get control over OTHER people's lives (who gay people could marry).


    Understand?
     
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    Are you really going to admit that you're too dense to see the difference? The "gay agenda" if you must call it that is to simply have the same rights as everyone else. To be part of society and the community like everyone else.

    As for Christians- I'm not going to paint them with a broad brush and validate your horseshit about it being the Christians against the gays. There are many Christians who are not bigots and there are many gays who are Christian So I will say that the bigots agenda is to prevent gays from having the same rights as everyone else and to be part of society and the community.
     
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    those who choose the gay lifestyle are denied no rights. We've been through this countless times. You choose to ignore the huge underlying point. The gay lifestyle is a choice. Until such time as one can show "the gay gene" that one is "born gay", then offering special dispensation for a sexual lifestyle choice is way beyond the Constitution.

    I do not believe govt has any business in marriage but any legal aged man and legal aged woman can enter into marriage.

    If a woman who enjoys gay sex wishes to marry a man, then she can. She is denied nothing
     
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    Skydiving is a choice - we let skydivers marry.
    Now, a straight man can marry a straight man, he is denied nothing.
    We don't prevent a gay man from buying a gun because he's gay, even though he can't prove there is no gay gene.

    You do realize that the Supreme Court ruling striking down laws against gay marriage is doing exactly what you want - it is getting government out
    of the decision of marriage on this issue.
     
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    If gay is a choice, then straight is a choice. Just the opposite side of the same coin. When did you choose to be straight? Oh, and if there is no gay gene , there is no straight gene either-(although you are no entirely correct on that and I will get to it later.)

    But the fact of the matter is, that human sexuality is complex and many factors go into determining sexual orientation. I know that you don't want to strain your brain thinking about complexity, but is not as simple as you would like it to be. ( or a simple as you pretend that it is ) The bottom line is that it does not either have to be genetic or a choice. Other factors such as hormone levels that are determined pre natal have also been found to play a role. And yes, there are psychological factors as well. That still does not make it a choice.

    And now to get back to genetics:
    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/can-epigenetics-explain-homosexuality-39984

     
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    I used to have a close friend, now dead, (we were raised in the same neighborhood from age 2) that was extremely homophobic where men were concerned, but not women. I never understood his objections nor his double standard. We had known each other all our lives, been raised nearly identically, but his attitude in this regard was 180 to mine. I remember having a drink in a pub with him, in New Orleans, when an obvious transsexual walked in the pub, which elicited some comment from him to which I responded, ‘So what? What possible reason why it would matter to you? Does it somehow threaten you” (personally, In regard to him, I think it did). After the normal argument between us. I said, I can understand you not being attracted to men, I am not either... but I am also not attracted to 90% of the women in the Pub either. Should we make a rule about women we find unattractive? How many women here would find us unattractive?”.
    I have never understood any more that I have ever understood the racism and the gender discrimination I have observed either.
    Maybe, I am skewed in my thinking... must be the result of all the mercury and lead I played with when I was young. But then, I am going to Hell, as I was so informed by a Born again authority so perhaps I am not equipped to give an opinion.
     
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    I agree with you with respect to psychological factors and choosing the gay lifestyle. That is why I fully support counseling of folks so they can come to grips with what historic event in their lives made them want to give the gay lifestyle a try
     
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    of course we let skydivers marry. A male and female skydiver can marry whenever they wish. A woman living the lesbian lifestyle and a male living the gay lifestyle can also marry each other. Nobody is denying them that
     
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    and 2 men or 2 women can marry. everyone is equal now.
     
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    And a male skydiver can marry a male sky diver ... there are no longer any laws to prevent it.
     
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    My mentioning psychological factors in no way endorses your idiotic insistence that it is a choice. Your continually bleating about it being a choice is nothing more that an appeal to ignorance logical fallacy which says "I said it is so it is true and you should just believe it" as well as an appeal to authority fallacy with you putting yourself out there as the "authority" while offering nothing to back up your assertions. To be clear, we agree on nothing.
     
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    PS: It is interesting how you completely gloss over and ignore all of the points that I made, especially with respect to epigenetics. Clearly you do not want to have n actual discussion. It is even more obvious that you have no interest in learning anything, and that you are highly threatened by any information that undermines your pre conceived ideas and thus the justification for your bigotry.

    Hell, you can't even mount a respectable debate or pose a logical argument where you present a premise that supports your conclusion. Think about that!
     
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    Bigots are the only group in this equation needing counseling.

    Seeing that recent polling puts majority support of same sex marriage in every conceivable metric — outside christofacists of course — there isn’t the political will to do much about it. And since no one is harmed no one has the ability to bring it before the SCOTUS anyway.

    When you are siding with a disgraced ex judge / pedophile and an adulterous control freak... shrug... Should tell you something.
    I doubt it does though.

    Tell us, is religious preference a choice?
    You would be cool with us revoking their ability to marry someone with the same... affliction?
     
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    they can never undo all the marriages already done, besides, this is not really the person the right wants to represent their anti-equal rights agenda, is it?

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    Who the hell knows what they can do or what they want. They are not rational. If Obergefell were overturned, it's any body's guess what some states would do with respect to marriages that have taken place.
     
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    Thank you !!

    Religion is a choice

    Bigotry is a choice

    Ignorance is a choice

    Sexual orientation and gender identity are not a choice
     
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    Most of the legal analysis I have read have stated that the most states could do is stop issuing licenses — they could not revoke previous marriages and due to constitutional issues they would likely have to honor marriage licenses from other states.

    Marriage tourism would become a thing and large corporations would protest thus costing deep red states even more money.

    I couldn’t imagine but a few states — namely the ones that are already at the bottom in education, healthcare and productivity — making any substantial changes, especially seeing that only the bottom two states have plurality opposition to SSM.

    It’s here to stay. This is just a rallying cry to the bigots. Nothing more.

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    you are almost correct

    with whom you choose to have sex is absolutely a choice. Since the difference between homosexual and heterosexual is only about how one has sex, it's a choice. As a gay man, do you put your pants on differently than me? Do you breathe differently? Of course not. But, you choose to put your jimmy into a different place than I choose.

    Your ignorance of facts is not un-noticed. Just because you want to believe, does not make it so. I have no hatred toward you nor could care where you put your jimmy. I do however care when you think how you choose to have sex entitles you to special anti-discrimination laws etc

    Your bigotry toward anyone with a different perspective is glaring. But, that is how most leftists are and why should I expect different from you. Sure, as a gay man it might be personal to you; but it doesn't mean you should be entitled to special treatment.

    It's the same old emotional argument from you and other gay men within this subsection. No facts, just emotion
     

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