Feminist activist in Iran sentenced to 24 years in prison for removing hijab.

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  1. chris155au

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    So the officer intended on killing him?
     
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    Not really. I imagine it is one of the cases where the police use excessive force and shoot someone. There was one case where a white man was told to lay on the floor in the lobby of his hotel room, being bombarded with rapid instructions while having guns pointing at him. He got nervous, made what looked like a very innocent (almost involuntary) move while lying on the floor and he was shot multiple times by police officers. Don't know if that is the case he is referring to however.
    I think the law requires they fill out a questionnaire and sign a statement indicating they have actually have had sexual relations. The prior law allowed an exemption if you just merely declared you were a homosexual and tens of thousands of people (including many who weren't) used it to claim an exemption from compulsory service. In the report by an LGBT advocacy group for Iran which I posted, it seems they put those who claim this exemption through a bit more rigor -- although some of what is being claimed doesn't appear to me to be necessarily accurate and goes well beyond what would be required even under the new law to qualify for an exemption:

     
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    the guy got was chocked to death in the streets.
     
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    Which makes the officer a brutal piece of scum who obviously went too far. However you can't say that he intended on killing him. It wasn't a state execution, which is what I thought that you were referring to.
     
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    It was illegal. He knew that, because he was trained. Was he convicted over it? Nope.
    So it's a life execution in the streets. Camera in the face. Perfectly fine.
    And you can have your opinion about it. But thats about it.
     
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    I don't understand how a questionnaire can determine that someone has engaged in homosexual sex.

    So now homosexuals who don't even have homosexual sex cannot join the military?
     
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    I have answered the questions but you are not paying attention. Th issue isn't being barred from military. Rather, if you claim an exemption from compulsory service based on homosexuality, you have to answer more questions than before being your claim is taken as being valid.
     
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    What do you mean camera in the face?
     
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    I know, but I assuming that if a known homosexual wants to voluntarily join the military for their career, that they are banned even if they don't engage in homosexual sex. I don't see why it would be different for the compulsory service thing.

    I don't care how many questions are asked, it's simply NOT possible to determine the nature of someone's sexual activity!
     
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    Your assumption is false. Even those who claim to be homosexual, and might indeed be, if their claim isn't accepted as credible enough, will be enlisted in the Iranian military. They aren't banned from t he military, even though if they engage in such conduct and are caught doing so, they will certainly be kicked out.

    As for the rest of what you said, I don't know what you mean by "determining"? If the responses to the questions indicate to the military that the claim is credible, an exemption is granted. Otherwise, not.
     
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    My assumption was that a known homosexual who wants to voluntarily join the military for their career would not be allowed to join. Clearly the military has a problem with homosexuals serving otherwise they wouldn't accept homosexuality as a valid reason for avoiding the compulsory service. Someone (say a 30 year old) who WANTS to join the military for their career is different to someone being forced against their desire to join, because such a person has intent to deceive and the military knows that certain people will attempt to deceive in order to get out of this compulsory requirement. They're obviously not going to blindly believe everyone who says that they are homosexual, because that would make a mockery of the compulsory service as the numbers would be unsustainably low because everyone would be doing it! However, as a general policy, homosexuality is surely a disqualifying factor.

    Yeah, I'm just making the point that they can never truly know. I'd love to know what the questions are! 'Can you describe the sensation of a penis going inside you?' :roflol:
     
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    And that is a false assumption. There is an exemption, not a ban. And the military could not ban someone without a legal basis. If they engage in such conduct as a member, sure, they can be kicked out. But otherwise they aren't banned or barred from the military. The law only provides an exemption, not a ban.

    As for the rest, and the kind of questions asked, you might refer to the report from the LGBT group I posted earlier.

    Anyway, lets move on. We have discussed the subject enough.
     
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    Well then the question is WHY do the military accept it as an exemption? There has to be a reason.
     
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    There is a reason but that reason has not been extended to become a ban.
     
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    Alright, so what's the reason?
     
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    Iranian law considers it a medical ailment that entitles someone suffering from it an exemption.
     
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    A medical ailment? WTF! That's ridiculous!
     
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    It was considered the same in the US until the 1970s.
     
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    JUST the orientation? Even if they don't engage in homosexual sex?
     
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    Yes, but because it is easy to make the claim and get the exemption even if they are not, they now need to answer questions that basically require they show they have engaged in the conduct as well. And many do get their exemption that way.
     
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    Is there any logic to how the conduct is considered to be a "medical ailment?"
     
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    I guess the same logic, if any, as the one mentioned below:
    https://www.hrc.org/blog/flashbackfriday-today-in-1973-the-apa-removed-homosexuality-from-list-of-me
    #FlashbackFriday—Today in 1973, the APA Removed Homosexuality From List of Mental Illnesses
     
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