Florida officials are preparing 'contingency plans' for a possible Trump indictment from New York

And yet Former Guy would say that "no one knows" that Lincoln was a Republican.

 

Well the former guy is a stable genius.

 

Both are in a tie for second behind "I've heard"

 

The only 2 people I know named Bieber are Justin Bieber, semi-talented has-been singer and Shane Bieber, uber-talented pitcher for the Cleveland Indians.

Which of those 2 would defend TFG??

 

I have been mystified by that myself. That Georgia tape was just a stunning thing to hear. The base actually tried to say it was nothing, but anyone with a brain knows exactly what he was saying. I wish we could hear the Ukraine tape to hear what he said to Zelenski, but I’m sure it was almost exactly what he said tot he Georgia SOS.

 

We'll cross that bridge when we get there, and we haven't gotten there. If we get there, I hope that Trump surrenders and fights the case in court.

 

I suspect we'll hear that too, someday. I refuse to believe there's not a recording made of a phone call between a head of state and an ass of state. Certainly on the Ukrainian side, and Zelensky has nothing to fear anymore by leaking it.

Zelensky does appear to be smooching butt, but I'm assuming that's what he was told to do during his call prep.

 

There are people who get paid a lot of money to either prevent crossing the bridge or knowing what happens while you are crossing...

Preparation is rarely a bad thing....

 

The only ones who should prepare are Trump's attorneys. The matter of a court of law only regards the prosecution and the defendant as well as the jury. In the ideal world, I want no more shenanigans as it regards Trump.

 

Does this criticism mean you will stop saying "everyone/everybody" knows, in the future?

 

I believe I am a victim of autocorrect, but only if striking out every mention of Boebert with Bieber (either one) is really a bad thing.

 

LOL... Then that probably means Marie Green = Marjorie Taylor Greene??.... I didn't want to go there because that was even less clear to me than Bieber.

Damn dude, you have one severe autocorrect going there...

 

Yea governors just don't let someone from another state just come in where they do not have jurisdiction and force a citizen to their state to be prosecuted. There's an extradition process. And the reason Trump left New York is New York.

 

Right, but does that change anything?

 

That won't happen. You were condescending so my response was appropriate.

Well, it might be a good idea for you to find a different plan for getting news articles sourced.

I am assume you are a free US citizen. I am too. The beauty of that is we can choose to do what we want to do and don't want to do.

And, I have not changed.

If you scroll up a bit I already stated my process for posting articles on this forum. You can do whatever you want to do regarding posting on this forum.

Again, I'm not an investigative reporter.

As is your right.

I think you could re-examine your tone and throttle back on being combative. Unless there is some court-order requiring you to post to every thread, it's okay to say nothing if your only go-to is antagonistic.

 

I assume a federal indictment is different than a local jurisdiction indictment regarding extradition... and this article assumes the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States

 

I was not condescending.

Asking the person that posted a claim for the name of the source of their claim is fine for a discussion group.

I've seen no one claim that you are.

My tone is perfectly appropriate. Asking for the name of a source for a claim being posted is proper conduct.

"Court order"? Where in the world did you come up with that?

Just relax. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

Good point. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that he did a much better job than Biden the imbecile.

 

I thought they would never knowingly lie that a current President is in debt to the Russians due to a pee sex tape, but here we are.

 

The idea that ALL unnamed sources have been discredited is beyond ridiculous.

You are being:
1) Hypocritical;
2) Pedantic; and
3) Utterly ignorant of how news organizations work.

Very much of the news, which turns out to be true, initially comes from, "leaks." FYI, leakers tend to talk only on the condition of anonymity.

At least I could respect your opinion if you believed in limiting yourself to only stories with credible, primary sources (even though these people are also capable of lying, as did the postal carrier who alleged, initially, that his supervisor had told them all to gather ballots, even though they were past the due date, which the supervisor & postmaster then re-stamped with an earlier date. When he was asked to swear this under oath, for a deposition, the story changed to him just seeing the two men talking, but not being able to hear what they'd said-- maybe you should limit yourself to only facts which have been legally sworn, under oath). But the fact of the matter is, you accept secondary & unnamed sources, when you like the story.

Here is just one example, out of many threads by our members on the political Right, which fails to meet the bar you are proposing for @MJ Davies , and probably everyone on the center to left. The thread is by @Ray9, under the World Forum, and the title ends, asking if Antony Fauci is the Antichrist of a world plague (what primary source, do you suppose, could credibly verify that?)-- talk about, "clickbait stories." Nevertheless, I think the actual story, if it lacks necessary verification, is still newsworthy. I am going to skip Ray9's source of, "what Tucker Carlson said," because hopefully you understand that he would not be a, "primary source." I will also skip the cited source, "welovetrump.com," because of the reasonable suspicion of undue bias. But even the most reputable source for this thread, The National Review, is a story about what a WaPo reporter, who named no sources, said on the Joe Rogan podcast. The double-irony here is that so many on the Right automatically dismiss stories, all the time, based solely on their being in WaPo, which it is falsely claimed has no credibility; but if a WaPo reporter is saying something that confirms their beliefs, on Joe Rogan, it suddenly rings of truth!

Even the article's writer says, "IF Fauci did..." and the reporter, Rogin (not Rogan), admits that, "the details are a little sketchy," yet I did not notice any post from you, complaining that none of the central, alleged facts, were being credited to anyone but a reporter, and a Washington Post reporter, no less. So do you not care about this claim, because it is coming from, "discredited," unnamed sources, & consider that story, and thread, as being, "absent any accountability," and so completely lacking in credibility?

To mimic the way you were explaining things to MJ Davies, your two choices are either:
1) Yes, that story about Fauci, having no named, primary sources, should not have been posted because it is obviously nothing but tripe; or
2) No, I don't criticize & automatically disregard that other story, as well, because I am a total hypocrite.

By the way, there IS accountability: if The Washington Post, The New York Times, Bloomberg, USA Today, Politico, PBS, and major network news reporting were routinely wrong about these things, they would not still be taken seriously. There is NO news source which has never been mistaken. The degree of each one's reliability, and the magnitude of the stories they break, directly correspond with each one's reputation, which is why real news outlets do not publish things without believing they have a reasonable basis, in fact.


Fauci Reportedly Relaunched NIH Gain-of-Function Research without Consulting White House
By JACK CROWE
April 27, 2021 6:36 PM
Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin, who has done invaluable work in calling attention to the possibility that COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan lab, broke some news during his appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience on Tuesday.

After laying out the circumstantial evidence that COVID originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), Rogin explained why Dr. Anthony Fauci, like many in the world of virology research, has a vested professional interest in downplaying the likelihood that so-called gain-of-function research — of the kind performed at the Wuhan lab — not only failed to prevent the ongoing global pandemic but actually may have played a hand in unleashing it.

2018 State Department cables that raised concerns about the lack of safety protocols at the Wuhan lab, which was performing gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the time.


The Obama administration suspended gain-of-function research in 2014 after a series of lab accidents involving pathogens at CDC headquarters in Georgia.

A Nature article from October 2014 lays out the rationale for the suspension:

Critics of such work argue that it is unnecessarily dangerous and risks accidentally releasing viruses with pandemic potential — such as an engineered H5N1 influenza virus that easily spreads between ferrets breathing the same air1, 2. In 2012, such concerns prompted a global group of flu researchers to halt gain-of-function experiments for a year (see Nature http://doi.org/wgx; 2012). The debate reignited in July, after a series of lab accidents involving mishandled pathogens at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.

The White House’s abrupt move seems to be a response to renewed lobbying by gain-of-function critics who wanted such work suspended and others who sought to evaluate its risks and benefits without disrupting existing research.

According to Rogin, much of the gain-of-function research that was being conducted in the U.S. prior to the moratorium subsequently migrated to China — and EcoHealth Alliance, the U.S. research nonprofit, secured its grant to funnel NIH money to the WIV in 2015, less than a year after the moratorium was put in place. IF Fauci did indeed use bureaucratic maneuvering to resume gain-of-function research on U.S. soil, as Rogin alleges, he has some explaining to do — even if domestic research isn’t to blame for our current pandemic.

"The Godfather of [gain-of-function virology research], the head of the pyramid, is a guy you may have heard of called Anthony Fauci,” Rogin said. “So, Anthony Fauci, the hero of the pandemic, is the most important person in the world of gain-of-function research there is . . . Basically, he is the one disbursing all the grants for this, he is the one who pushed to turn it back on after Obama turned it off, that’s another crazy story, he turned it back on without really consulting the White House.”

“He consulted the Office of Science and Technology Policy, which is part of the White House, but the White House put a pause on it and he undid the pause,” Rogin continued. “The details are a little sketchy. I’m not saying he did anything necessarily wrong or illegal, but I’m saying that a lot of people that I know inside the Trump administration had no idea that he had turned this back on. He found a way to turn it back on in the mess of the Trump administration because the Trump administration is full of a bunch of clowns, so you could get things done if you knew how to work the system.”

 

No but they can tie him up in court until they bankrupt him.

But he is going to do that to himself anyway. It will start with the “cyber Ninjas” finding “irregularities” and even if the state government overturns the election count in that state it will immediately go to court to be respected in every state he lost for the next 3.5 years by which time the MAGA a crowd themselves will have moved on

 

Trolls gotta troll.

It's how they get through the day I guess.

 

I'm sure they'd rather have this fight as a means to fold in Gov DeathSantis.

 

Wow. What an incredible takedown.

 

It is impossible to convince fools they have been fooled. They will take their foolishness to the grave and they will take you with them in the process if they can. This is not just axiomatic in human history it is automatic. The control of information to fool more people is the only hope of this folly and this is what we are seeing now. Fact checking sites and "credible" news organizations are propaganda masquerading as truth. This can work in the beginning but it quickly runs out of fuel. The only thing that keep it going when the people get hip is authoritarianism. We are getting close to that now.