Hitler's Socialism.

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    I think it's accurate to say that virtually ALL politicians need the money of supporters to win elections. That's not a right-left thing, it's just a reality. The ONE guy that didn't need anyone's money was Trump, and the left hated him. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi and her husband have gotten FILTHY rich by taking advantage of her position in government and then left adores her. The left doesn't have a problem with wealth; the left has a problem with Republican wealth.
     
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    By the way, the majority of America's corporate CEO's and big businesses bankroll the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is the party of the rich and privileged. Trump helped the little guy and the left despised him for it.
     
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    They support both sides of the aisle. Why do you think the Trumpers cut taxes mainly to the very wealthy, the Dems didn't do that.
     
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    Trump cut taxes to encourage economic growth. He let corporations and people keep more of their OWN money in order to improve the economy as well as the standard of living of Americans. It worked. Democrats are constantly seeking ways to seize everyone's money and then give it to countries such as Ukraine wherein some of that money is then funneled back to prominent Democratic politicians, sort of like when Hunter was working as a consultant (LOL!) for a Ukraine energy company.
     
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    Please, Trump averaged the same economic growth as Obama did over 8 years. The tax cuts were used mainly to buy back outstanding shares.
     
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    Black unemployment was NEVER lower than it had been under Trump. Look it up.

    I never said that Trump's economic numbers were "better" than Obama's. I did say that the economy was in solid shape, and it was.
     
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    Hitler was raised Catholic. But the hierarchy of the Catholic church in Rome persecuted him and his followers. Today the Roman Catholic hierachy is an evil cutlural marxist abomination.

    Hitler should have been a Lutheran like me :)

    Luther translated the Bible into German... so Hitler and his supporters could read and interpret it for themselves.

    In his testimony at the military tribunal at Nuremberg, Julius Streicher said the Aryan racial laws in Hitler's Third Reich were based on Old Testament racial law.

    Source: Julius Streicher before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945 - 1 October 1946, Volume 12, Secretariat of the Tribunal, Nuremberg, Germany, page 315
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    How was Hitler "persecuted" by the Catholic Church?
     
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    I've never heard this.
     
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    Not all in the Catholic church... but many in Rome's hierarchy [and Italy was an ally!]

    Pope Pius XI's "Mit Brennender Sorge” 1937 encyclical was directed against Hitler and the Third Reich.

    The pope was proabably mad that Hitler was helping to build a Russian Orthodox Church in Berlin! At that time there was ongoing a 1000 year war between the western and eastern churches.

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    Hitler abandoned Catholicism as a child. If he later claimed to be a Catholic or a Christian, it was simply to appease the masses that he was trying to get to vote for him and his fellow Nazis.
     
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    Ok, have it your way... go back to the ease and comfort of believing Allied propaganda.

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    I posted a link above to a Washington Post article wherein historians collected quotes that demonstrate that Hitler abandoned religion at a young age. I think it's pretty evident that Hitler was not exactly an ardent "Christian". A lot of people are introduced to religion at a young age who then go on to reject it, just as Hitler did. Why do you believe that Hitler was a devoted follower of Christ?
     
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    "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941.
    "Gerhard Engel wrote in his diary that in 1941, Hitler declared, “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so. Despite public disapproval from Protestants, Armament Minister, Albert Speer later wrote that Hitler “would remain a member of the Catholic Church and in fact, he remained in the Church until his suicide.” During his years with Hitler, Engel kept the diary in the form of six notebooks. With the unconditional surrender of Germany, he was held in American captivity and released in December 1947. After the war, he added material to shed further light on certain events, military and political decisions and Hitler’s attitude to particular problems. His diary covers the decision-making process behind crucial military actions, including the annexation of Austria, the invasion of Czechoslovakia, and the war against Russia. Source."
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    Lateran Treaty signed between Mussolini's fascist government and the Vatican

    Adolf Hitler: Fascism is Closer to Christianity than Liberalism or Marxism
    "The fact that the Curia is now making its peace with Fascism shows that the Vatican trusts the new political realities far more than did the former liberal democracy with which it could not come to terms. ...The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy ...proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism..."- Adolf Hitler in an article in the Völkischer Beobachter, February 29, 1929, on the new Lateran Treaty between Mussolini's fascist government and the Vatican
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    The Reichskonkordat ("Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich") is a treaty negotiated between the Vatican and the emergent Nazi Germany signed on 20 July 1933.

    Adolf Hitler: Burn out the Poison of Immorality
    Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years."- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872
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    Thanks for sharing.

    There are a number of quotes attributed to Hitler that seemingly contradict one another. It's clear that Hitler was a nutcase that had a warped belief system. His murder of 6 million Jews and his wanton disregard for the lives of tens of millions of others, including his own German and Austrian people, is a testament to his opposition to Christian teachings.
     
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    No, fascists don't oppose a market economy.
    Bernie has supposedly given up on government-run business. AOC? Who knows? Antifa are irrelevant. BLM are a loose collection of socialists, but they don't deliver a socialist message.
    Hitler was a fascist, not a socialist. Hitler sold off some government enterprises and left the capitalists with their businesses. This is far different from the socialists who take over businesses.
    I don't know that fascists support government control of healthcare.
    The conservative right or fascist right? The conservative right does not while the fascist right does. The moderate left does not while the socialist left does.
    What's wrong with free education or universal healthcare?
    No, FDR was not a fascist.
    No, fascists almost always align themselves with capitalists.
    The conservative right, yes; the fascist right, no.
    Leftists did not support Hitler.
    Hitler was not a leftist. He further privatized business.
    No, it does not support collectivizing production.
    Fascism is a reaction to socialism.
     
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    A market economy is one wherein business is free to make whatever it wants and to pay its workers a competitive wage based on market standards and to charge as much as what the market will bear. Fascists REJECT such a system.
     
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    I never said nor implied that Hitler was a "socialist".
     
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    I didn't say he was a "fascist". I said that he was a big fan of Mussolini and Italian fascism, at least until Mussolini invaded Ethiopia.

    Do you deny that FDR and many western, leftist, ideologues and academics were complimentary of Mussolini?
     
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    It supports the state dictating to private business what they must produce. That isn't a right-wing ideology, which wants LIMITED government and supports individual rights.
     
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    Socialism has never existed, at least not by its textbook definition of workers having equal ownership of the "means" of production. Hitler hated communism because, as another poster astutely stated, he viewed communism (and free-market capitalism) as being controlled by the vast, worldwide, Jewish conspiracy. Hitler was also a radical nationalist and, therefore, hated the German communists who considered Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to be their ally.

    In any event, socialism, communism, and fascism are ALL ideological branches of the same leftist tree as they all oppose free-market capitalism and oppose individual rights and oppose any segment of society being free from government control.
     
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    Hitler allowed the privatization of business but nevertheless dictated to some businesses what they must do.

    Is it your belief that German capitalists told Hitler to **** off and then they did whatever they wanted, as American companies often tell the government? If so, who were the German capitalists that were dictating to Adolf Hitler?
     
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    In reality, a majority of Germans never supported Hitler. Those that did were certainly attracted to his message of socialism as well as his hatred of Jews.
     
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    There is no such thing as a "fascist right". The main tenets of right-wing ideology are free-market capitalism, limited government power, and guaranteed rights of individuals. Fascists oppose ALL of those ideals.
     
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    Here's a hint. Politicians almost always align themselves with people who have power and money. That's true for fascists, communists, and capitalists. You don't think that Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi haven't "aligned" themselves with big-money supporters? LOL. Do you know who didn't? That's right, Donald J. Trump! The guy many leftists call a "fascist" and a "Nazi". LOL!
     

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