How the US went from having one of the worst Covid responses to being a global leader in vaccination

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Oh! Dear someone else who listened to Trumps isolationist ideas and forgot that the WHO was already doing this and Biden just simply brought America back into the global community
     
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    Early on in the pandemic, the man of the hour(Fauci) who was promoted to damn near demigod status during the crisis told us originally not to wear masks, then afterwards he gave us this ridiculously unbelievable excuse that he 'lied' to us to protect PPE for first responders.

    Clearly even Fauci didn't know up from down, but contrary to fear and propaganda at the time, Fauci was never once pressured by the administration. But the administration did not 'mandate' masks and Biden himself gave up the idea soon afterwards as utterly infeasible in the United States of America. But people can choose to wear them or not wear them as they please.

    That's the thing about the US: For better or worse, good or ill what the international community thinks of us Americans in our conduct is that we are a heavily choice-dependent society. If we had an conformity like that of China(or South Korea, etc) we most likely would have had a better response. But I submit: Even if we should have fallen all ill and died, it would be better to have died living to our ideals than to have lived forsaking them.

    The same is true for contract tracing, the Administration supported the idea of contract tracing but it's not like the government could per se hire these contract tracers. It ended up being more of a private/hospice venture than a state-ran entity.

    However, it is worth noting:

    -The governors who wanted excessive powers, needed an emergency act declared and had it declared
    -They had the ships sent where emergency hotspots were
    -They got the ventilators out when that was at first viewed as a necessary key treatment option.

    This idea, that the previous administration did 'nothing' was a brutal lie then, and it's a lie now. And it's so moronic that the people who believe those lies, are the same ones who hate Trump's lies of "stop the steal". Both sides, are wicked terrible liars.
     
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    Sorry but we've been down this road and it's just not true. Number One you don't get approval from the FDA that quick without federal government involvement. You don't get 1.5 billion in sales before the product is sold without federal government involvement and I know you dispute but on the logistics these drug manufactures certainly didn't have the plan to send how many doses to what state and didn't come up with that on their own, we knew mid year last year that the Pentagon was working with the companies on these logistics laying out those plans, that's government involvement. Yes maybe they used their trucks.
     
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    LOL like sending hospital ships to cali and NY? Like building army hospitals in central park? Like building so many ventilators we ended up selling them to other countries? I mean we even had Newsom and Cuomo praising Trump. Well Cuomo's praise didn't last long, he ended not using the ship and Army hospitals, instead sent covid patients to nursing homes, when the idiocy was uncovered he went on the warpath to draw attention anywhere but on his own stupidity.
     
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    You describe the work of bureaucrats, not politicians.
     
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    Obviously the US has many fools who let be vaccinated. In another countries there is some hesitance.
     
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    I take it you're not a fan of Sputnik V, then?
     
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    How the US went from having one of the worst Covid responses to being a global leader in vaccinations under Biden

    Except that lockdowns and vaccinations aren't related in any way.
     
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    The same WHO who covered up Covid was transmissible between humans? The same WHO who ended an interview when they were asked something China didn’t like? The same WHO who is an arm of China now and can’t be trusted just like any “official” news coming out of China is utter propaganda.
     
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    Do you have credible links to back that conspiracy theory
     
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    Thanks to twonks on the internet spreading rubbish there is hesitancy everywhere. Do you know where there is no hesitancy - among health professionals
     
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    The ships that were not equiped to deal with Covid

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html

    There was a reason why you did not hear a lot about this from Trump himself - they were far from successful
     
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    Interesting someone bringing up internet twonks who claimed Typhoid Mary was immune to Salmonella bacterium when in fact she had a chronic asymptomatic infection. A chronic infection made possible by Salmonella’s ability to turn inflammatory macrophages into anti-inflammatory macrophages and replicate at-will indefinitely in the resultant cohort of anti-inflammatory macrophages.

    This someone also agreed with posters claiming SARS-CoV-2 can be transmitted by anyone, including all vaccinated individuals.

    Yes, this internet rubbish is directly responsible for hesitancy of potential vaccinees. It’s sad that this misinformation comes from health care professionals, but it does. No wonder people are hesitant.
     

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