How to be WrOnG ... BETTER

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is what we are facing in this country ... currently.
    That being what the Left wants.What Peter Hitchens explains
    as how the Authoritarian Left never rests.And that by establishing
    themselves as above all others due to their belief that their POV
    is The Most virtuous." Their endless determination and deep belief in
    what they want and often subtle and in many cases very clever organization
    to achieve.It's been very very well exercised revolution."
    Understanding where the final years of the Soviet Empire was misguided.
    Not by some Sexual Revolution or cultural mores,
    violent overthrow or seizures of banks and industry.But by " the capture
    of these long institutions { University's, newspapers,publishing houses
    and schools.So after 30 or 40 years of that you would pretty much control
    the public mind and pretty much get what you wanted. "
    Which is precisely where we are.
    Our Country is virtually stuck between a rock and the hard left.
    Always keeping in mind that the Left believes strongly in their
    own understanding of what constitutes virtue.That you are a Good or bad
    person based on your certain opinions.
    Therein lies the rub.Facts be damned.You are a good person based solely
    on your high and mighty opinions.That is a form of self-gaslighting.
    Which of course pretty much makes diologue impossible.
    Which is where our country sits right now.
    This long seemingly never ending march to indoctrinate a certain
    belief in one's own interpretation of what is Good or Bad.
    Knowing how incredibly easy it is to mislead the populace.
    " It's extrodinary how gullible people are. "
    " It takes some nerve not to run with the crowd ".
    The Left is using BLM and a virus to take over and control.
    Because the Masses are Gullible.Our Hard Left have mastered the
    technique of disallowing one's Freedom of Speech.
    We see it plainly with Twitter and Facebook.Or anyone speaking
    up at ones loss of Freedom and Liberty in Blue State Covid lockdown
    marching orders.
     
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    Good description of the transition from totalitarian political faction to mob, to herd, to stockyard, to slaughterhouse.

    "The attraction of evil and crime for the mob mentality is nothing new. It
    has always been true that the mob will greet "deeds of violence with the
    admiring remark: "it may be mean but it is very clever." The disturbing
    factor in the success of totalitarianism is rather the true selflessness of its
    adherents: it may be understandable that a Nazi or Bolshevik will not be
    shaken in his conviction by crimes against people who do not belong to
    the movement or are even hostile to it; but the amazing fact is that neither
    is he likely to waver when the monster begins to devour its own children
    and not even if he becomes a victim of persecution himself, if he is framed
    and condemned, if he is purged from the party and sent to a forced-labor
    or a concentration camp.

    On the contrary, to the wonder of the whole
    civilized world, he may even be willing to help in his own prosecution and
    frame his own death sentence if only his status as a member of the move-
    ment is not touched."
    THE ORIGINS OF TOTALITARIANISM, By Hannah Arendt, Meridian Books,New York, 1958.
    https://archive.org/stream/TheOriginsOfTotalitarianism/The-Origins-of-Totalitarianism_djvu.txt
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Scares me to see this. The US has become fascist and folk are whining about the left? Post-truth has ejaculated.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Therefore the urgent need for an Antifa.
    Where 2 legs are good but 4 legs are better.I get how that mindset
    works.The Left desires a country of sheeple.Biden basically said as
    much as far as Blacks are not as " Diverse " as the Hispanic Community.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Antifa went from irrelevant to everywhere in a matter of weeks. Amazing how easy it is to manipulate the right wing authoritarian
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Right Wing is not Authoritarian.Anything but.
    The Right wing honestly and predictably believe in our
    Bill Of Rights.Our sacred Constitution.
    You have been effectively codswalloped.Like a Druink in a
    Pub running their mouth and making next to No Sense.
    Unless and of course they are sitting next to a Democrat.
    Who are Authoritarian by flavor.Like Flavor of the day.Or week.
     
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    Psychologists have proven otherwise. Get the basics right and then get back to me.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Them " Experts '' Eh.Like Little Dr. Fauci.
    I've been thru the Mill ... Pally.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Ironically, RWA predicts anti-intellectualism...
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How Ironic can it git.To be Intellectual like a Leftie and then also
    a ballbusting authoritarian whose overall intent is to Deny debate.
    Like what University Professors and their benefactors { Administrators }
    have been pulling for years.More as each decade passes.
    To Be Intellectual now is to be found out ... Hardly.
    To be Intellectual is to always be aware and then elucidate that
    awareness.Not Limit or Deny it.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Is this supposed to be a counter argument? I can't seem to find the critique of hundreds of RWA papers ;)
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How about the vaunted { Overrated N.Y.Times } as proof.
    They cited how Fox News Prime time lineup { Nightly }
    of Tucker Carlson,Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham during
    June and July Dominated TV.Easily beating the Cable News
    MSNBC and CNN AND the Networks.
    No shortage of argumentation from Right Wing Carlson,Hannity or
    Ingraham.What else ya got Bub?. Or want .
    Some free popcorn.
     
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    Complete nonsense.
    If trump hadn't been encouraging white supremacists and unreconstructed southern secessionists for the past 4 years, he wouldn't be facing the anger he is now from people who've had enough of his racist demagoguery.
    If trump hadn't failed so spectacularly in handling the pandemic, he could be riding the crisis to re-election on a wave of admiration for leadership instead of letting a little virus ruin his presidency because of his total lack of character.
    You can whine on ad nauseam, but it won't change the perception of trump as a complete failure.




    https://apnews.com/2a03a4e685316eb7d5a6e7181000fbfe

     
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    E#xplain how the US has become fascist.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The amazing thingy is that the Left doesn't need to explain
    their crazy talk.Because they have the MSM doing their bidding.
    That is why this concerted effort to keep Joe Biden in his
    basement.Because he is gaffe prone and has no record to run on.
    Just constant complaining every other day when Trump does something.
    Anything.It's no different than what Elmer Fudd lives to do against
    Bugs Bunny.
     
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    Perhaps use the definition to play fascist bingo? Roll the numbers!

    Number 69, 'the reactionary and terroristic dictatorship of finance capital'! Trump uses his position to mandate economic destruction. Nationalism provided the initial means to ensure compliance. But its more than that now. Make America Great Again ultimately allowed elimination of any real notion of economic individualism.

    Number 18, anti-intellectualism ('obedience, discipline, faith and a religious belief in the cardinal tenets of the Fascist creed are put forth as the supreme values of a perfect Fascist. Individual thinking along independent lines is discouraged. What is wanted is not brains, daring ideas, or speculative faculties, but character pressed in the mold of Fascism'). Right wing authoritarianism has been fully unleashed. Thus, there is no notion of truth. There is only acceptance of the leader's dictate. Suddenly believe that anarchism is everywhere and a threat to the master race? Check! Brown shirts on the streets, decked in modern camouflage, generates but a whoop!

    Number 1, the Theory of the Elites. Do we have acceptance of a natural talent for ruling over the masses? Yep. It starts passive. While Trump is not a self-made man, there is worship of his business skills. But it soon snowballs. Evidence is deemed to be an intellectual liberal conspiracy. Blacks are deemed to be inferior and a manipulated mass controlled by the Dems (who, like the Jews with the Nazis, are somehow deemed to be chief architects of the downfall of America). Racism is legitimised.

    Number 2, reaction against democracy ('the mass of men is created to be governed and not to govern; is created to be led and not to lead, and is created, finally, to be slaves and not masters: slaves of their animal instincts, their physiological needs, their emotions, and their passions'). America has arguably always 'played' democracy. Folk never really cared that much about the reality. They could always crow "but we are a republic" to avoid the anti-democratic practices. But you now have open contempt for democracy. Fake claims of bias have been used to delegitimise democratic outcomes. A President is now in a position to reject those outcomes.

    Number 88, the broad measure 'fascism is in its broadest meaning a revolt against the modern age, against democratisation, secularisation and internationalism'. Check again! America has always played this card mind you. How many times has it engineered coups, destroying democratic decisons? How many people have died through its contempt of foreign independence?

    Our last number, 99's corporatism ('a system of political and economic decision-making based on the representation of organised interest groups in government'). The Military Industrial Complex always showed the nature of this corporatism, with wars engineered for profit. Factor in also how money dictates political outcome and you soundly reject any notion of politicians following the public interest.

    Bingo!
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All well and good { not really }. But I doubt our Founders { most of whom were
    very Intellectual } thought in that vein.
    Keeping in mind " If men were angels no government would be
    necessary " -- James Madison

    Intolerance is at the root of things such as the Inquisition
    and also Fascism.
    " For Fascism is a lie told by bullies,A writer who will not lie
    cannot live or work under Fascism. - Ernest Hemingway
    Tucker Carlson explains it most nights.
     
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    I see you couldn't respond to anything I said. Fair enough. I wasn't expecting you to.
     
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    The U.S. hasn't become fascist. We are simply under attack by the fascist Antifa group, a very small percentage of the population. Reiver is alway obtuse in his statements.
     
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    Fascist anti-fascists? Chortle, chortle, right wing authoritarianism is a blast
     
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    It is good to be entertained.
     
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    I'd prefer content and then wait for Netflix...

    Get back to me if you can actually respond to any of my post and its application of fascist definition. Dont forget to finish it with "yes Reiver, none of that can be applied to Antifa". Cheers!
     
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    What is the difference between "right wing authoritarianism" and left wing authoritarianism?
     
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    RWA is a psychological experiment reality, repeatedly tested and able to understand multiple right wing attributes. LWA isn't. You can refer to specific "left wing" groups that are also easily classified as authoritarian, but lefties already condemn them (e.g. Orwell and Stalinism).
     
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    Kinda like Saul Alinksky's Rules for Radicals.
    Not exactly a breakdown of Marx and Engels Communist Manifesto
    but seems to work in a pinch.
    I mean it did and does for those like Obama.
    Rules for Radicals numbered a dozen.
    It could have made a Bakers dozen { 13 } if the Last rule
    included :
    13.) Just Kidding around.It's good to kid.
    I mean,Kids seem to like it.
     

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