I think I've figured out why Northern states are anti-gun

This may indeed be the motivation for the useful idiots.
Their masters, however, know an armed citizenry stands between them and the implementation of their chosen policies -- thus their efforts to make it as hard as possible for the law abiding to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.

 

Totally agree.

 

This thread is a fine illustration of the conservative tendency to just make crazy stuff up, so that they can feel superior.

Why? Because improving yourself is too much work for conservatives. They want the rush of feeling superior without having to work for it.

See? I can make up dumb pop-psychology stories too. The difference is that I'm not being serious.

 

Sometimes I just wonder...

So, given that MA, RI, DE, were the first colonies well before all those gun-loving colonies were founded what do you suppose they ate? Trees? Rocks?

Or, maybe, they were farmers and fishermen?

BOOM

Premise gone!

You're welcome.

 

I live in Philly- you know the city where the Declaration of Independence was written and the Constitutional Convention was held. But the I'm supposed to believe that people from the South are genetically superior?

 

No, but they are not inferior either, which is a NE propaganda bullet point.

 

There's an ethnic component also, Chicago for example has a lot of groups that don't have a tradition of gun ownership, unlike the Scotch-Irish of the South for example.

 

The same groups also have a history of finding themselves legally deprived of firearms for the purpose of making them more easily controlled by those in power. Making one wonder why anyone who was subject to such, would willingly support being subjected to such when given the choice.

 

Who's victimizing them nowadays? Not the government.

 

"Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley said a surge of positive COVID-19 infections means the city will have to extend bans on certain activities like indoor dining until at least September.

"Farley took aim at Southern states like Florida and Texas which reopened their states against the guidance of many public health officials as sources of the surge in new infections....

"Then after Southern states reopened too quickly and too recklessly, it’s a second wave that started there and then is spreading north and east from there. That wave’s now just arrived in Philadelphia."
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...ing-prohibited-until-at-least-sept-1/2482675/

Starting to see a pattern here? The southern states are more reckless on matters that concern public health and safety. Thus their lax gun laws and response to the virus.

 

Talk about grasping at straws.

 

Two examples not enough for you? Well, you don't seem to be able to come up with any counter examples.



And now we see not only illegal guns but also the coronavirus coming from the Southern states. We're in the midst of a second wave because of their negligence.

 

Factually incorrect. Even to this very day, the government, especially the state and city governments at the local level, have been victimizing the people who vote them into office, done in the form of ignoring the real plight of the people and their calls for assistance, while simultaneously doing everything in their authority to implement more and more firearm-related restrictions that serve to price exercising of a constitutional right beyond the legal means of the public.

 

Utter nonsense with absolutely no basis pertaining to reality.

 

That chart only demonstrates your ignorance about gun laws in the US, there is no such pipeline, because by federal law no one can buy a handgun outside of the state they live in.

And all buyers must go through a full FBI background check before they can take possession of the gun.

Nice try, but a total fail, maybe going forward get a clue of the actual laws and regulations before making yourself look even more uninformed then you already are.

 

The ATF has proven that firearm-related restrictions do not work. In fact is has proven this fact annually and without fail, every time it traces firearms for the state of California that were possessed by the criminal element, and the trace led right back to the state of California where they were originally sold.

Even the state of New York cannot escape such facts: https://www.atf.gov/file/119381/download

Eight thousand three hundred and thirty eight firearms submitted to the ATF for tracing for the state of New York, all found in the illegal possession of prohibited individuals. Of that amount one thousand four hundred and thirty three, approximately twenty percent of the total number, were traced back to having been sold in the state of New York to begin with, despite its numerous firearm-related restrictions in place to try and prevent such from occurring. Meaning the state of New York is directly responsible for more firearms falling into illegal possession, than any other individual state in which firearms were successfully traced. The second highest amount, six hundred and forty four, was traced to the state of Virginia, with the numbers of each subsequent state dropping significantly, all the way back to firearms traced to the state of California of all places.

There is no excuse for nearly one out of every five firearms found in the unlawful possession of criminal individuals to have been acquired in the state of New York; not if their firearm-related restrictions truly work as well as is being claimed by their proponents. Their numbers should not even equal one percent.

 

You think it's impossible for out-of-state gun traffickers to recruit a local to buy handguns in bulk? Your argument is just disingenuous.

 

A great deal of supposition, but absolutely zero evidence to show such is actually occurring.

What is being described on the part of yourself is a violation of interstate commerce, thus making it the jurisdiction of the united states federal government. It is illegal both for the out-of-state individuals, and for the in-state individuals who are conspiring to do such.

Let the united states federal government deal with the problem, rather than trying to intervene and making the problem worse. If such truly is occurring, then the guilty parties should be identified, apprehended, and incarcerated, rather than being shielded by local-level politicians who mistakenly believe they know better than everyone else.

 

Interstate gun trafficking is definitely happening (one way or another) and we already know to reduce it:

"After Virginia introduced its one-gun-a-month law, there was a significant reduction in the number of crime guns recovered outside the state and traced back to Virginia dealers."
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/crime-guns/bulk-gun-purchases/

This a law that we should all be able to agree on. It doesn't burden law abiding citizens and it reduces gun trafficking.

 

Bullcrap, straw purchase's are prohibited by law, and trying to find someone willing to do so very commonly, who by multiple purchases, which by law any purchase over two firearms at the same time must be forwarded to BATF within 24 hours of the purchase, resulting in investigating the source and the mule involved.

Furthermore FFL's are aware of the problem and often involve local law enforcement while the straw purchaser is in the store, they do not wish to risk their FFL by selling guns to a mule.

Now a lot of that was violated and that chart you posted was formed by "Fast and Furious, a Obama and Holder illegal massive gun buy program that utilized straw purchasers to buy multiple guns from FFL's and the FFL's where threatened to make the sale or be "thoroughly audited."

A lot of those guns bought made up the pipeline you have referred to, though it was perpetrated by the Obama Administration.

Once again you have been suckered into believing the antigun propaganda.

Oh by the way one of those Obama/Holder bought guns was used to kill Border Patrol officer Brian Terry.

 

More BS supplied by a antigun lobby, why do you buy into this crap are you really that uninformed?

 

The state of Virginia, and the legal residents that reside within, are not at fault for the criminal activity that occurs outside of its jurisdictional boundaries. It is not the obligation of any particular state, to modify its own laws to benefit another state that is far removed from it.

The entire above statements suggests the state of New York is wholly impotent to do anything about its own problems unless it receives outside help from other states. If such is indeed the case, then the state of New York has absolutely no business attempting to implement and enforce its own firearm-related restrictions, if they are so easily bypassed and violated.

Whether the firearms are illegally acquired within the state, or outside of the state, what meaningful difference is served when the end result is the exact same, that being the criminal element gaining access to firearms regardless?

 

There are already laws in place that make straw purchasing a felony. Both the buyer and the out-of-stater are committing felonies if this recruiting were to happen. Is there a super felony that we need to create?

 

For one, the actual article linked to the claim on Virginia was written in 1996 using data from September 1989 through June 1993

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/403492

Secondly, for sure it burdens law abiding citizens - it restricts their ability to exercise a Constitutionally protected right.

If one per month reduces trafficking, imagine what one per year would do. I would guess that you'd support even longer periods between purchases.

What Gifford's fails to note is the unintended consequences. The Virginia law exempts CCW holders from the one per month limit, and VA is seeing an increase in people getting their CCW permit, which will lead to more people carrying guns in public. Nice work.

 

That was called a duel. Among the upper crust of society, both participants had to give their consent, otherwise it was murder.

There's a related thread about this subject here: Why are Abortion supporters against dueling?

In other parts of the northern interior South (Tennessee, Kentucky in particular), there was a lack of law enforcement and authorities (mostly due to rugged less accessible terrain and sparsely populated settlement) so the people there often had to take matters into their own hands.

Also populated mainly by the Scotts-Irish who were wary of government control due to their generational experience of oppression from England.
Even today, the South has much more Scotts-Irish ancestry in the genepool than other regions of the country (within the pool of European ancestry).