Is herd immunity ahead of schedule?

Sweden's health care system was not overwhelmed but Sweden had a massive amount of deaths compared to its close neighbours. Sweden organised controled euthanasia without asking for consent for people who came into the categories that were most likely to die if they were over 60 but had as far as Sweden was concerned a physical age of 80. This included those with a history of drink and drugs. That strategy was to make sure its hospitals did not become overwhelmed.

 

Even in the US it is higher than that. -78.9% but I understand coming down so soon be lower.

In Hong Kong the average age of death is 84.7 and for women 87.6 That is the average.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

I wonder how Hong Kong managed so few deaths with so many oldies.

 

Of course, but I also learned how to spot BS artists.

 

That's your claim in public, but I think you're kidding yourself.

By believing Fauci & Friends, you embrace BS artists. You are proud that they mold your mind, form your tastes and suggest your ideas.

 

You believe Judy Mikovitz and Scott Atlas...and the rest of us believe Fauci and the Mayo Clinic.


Hmmmm

 

Yes, I know that. You proudly display that you buy into anything advanced by known liars with vested interests.

 

Project much?

Nobody lies more than Trump, and if he loses, he could get a vacation at Club Fed.

Yet this is actually pretty simple, because many countries have wrestled this disease successfully. Not rocket science...

Which makes me wonder what your interest you are trying to advance by that incessant lying.

 

I am reviving this thread from September 2020 to highlight one aspect of the RW misinformation that is all abundant in the covid crisis: The notion of low herd immunity threshold (HIT). According to the article cited in the OP, HIT could be as low as 10-20%.

Now, let's face it, we now have crossed the line of 20% of the population being fully vaccinated in early April. That's in addition to the population that has attained natural immunity by living through covid. Now, where is herd immunity? Nowhere to be seen. In fact, we just went through another mini surge after the Easter holiday (predictably), and we are still at close to 60,000 new daily cases.

So, it can be safely concluded that the article cited in the OP was pure B$, because it is now proven by real life data that HIT is higher than 20%. Unfortunately, this aspect goes along with other proclamations of the RW regarding covid that were based on wishful thinking rather than facts. However, the RW wants to base policy on this wishful thinking, for example fantasy values of case fatality rates that are much lower than the factual rates.

So, use this info to keep in mind that everything you hear from the RW, who is trying to politicize covid, is highly suspect.

 

Doesn't the fact that the virus response has devolved to the gutter of politics tell you everything you need to know?

 

The 'pure B$' is what's in your post.

Herd immunity is real, and it is not dependent upon the hypodermic syringe, and in most parts of the US it's here.

 

Exactly!

Last May, several pro-herd posters in this Forum have claimed; ''Sweden has acheived Herd immunity''

Well, today, the fact shows that said posters have been absolutely wrong. The people who lacks intelligence in this forum are the ones who keep making unwise predictions.

TODAY'S REALITY; The new variants are making younger people sicker, and overwhelming hospitals all over the world.

In addition, the below average intelligent people have never understood the following indisputable equations;

x number of Infections = x number of hospitalizations
x number of hospitalizations = x number of deaths

ALSO

x number of infections = x number of hospitalizations
x number of hospitalizations = x number of overwhelmed hospitals

Thus, rationally, how can WE reduce all of the above?

Answer; WE must slow the spread of infections, both collectively and individually, Period!

 

The beautiful cheerleaders of the official narrative.

 

Last, the pro-herd have shown blatant disrespect and disregard to our front line workers, due to the fact that their ''do nothing model'' equates to overwhelming hospitals.

 

America's Frontline Doctors stood on the steps of the Capitol and stated the truth. You rejected their message NPB.

Herd immunity is real and operates independently of pharmaceutical corporations.

 

For example;

Outbreak: Overwhelmed Utah hospitals set to ration care
Governor: “I would hope that people will take this seriously”

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/26/outbreak-overwhelmed-utah-hospitals-set-to-ration-care/

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Response from the pro-herd;

Fake news! Fake news! Fake news!

 

Let's be real: People die to something, everyday. Also, most people have taken precautions to the coronavirus and for some(arguably, many) that wasn't enough. There's very little in political policy that can be done for the hospitals. They're just going to have to manage, just like we all have to manage moving forward.

 

How can local governments get people to follow Covid19 prevention rules?

Very easy........

Example;

Austin, Texas

City says cut back water!

Water customers MUST COMPLY or face $2,000 PENALTY

https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2000/07/city-says-cut-back-watering/

If you don't comply, you will get fined.

 

The fantasy that we are at "Herd Immunity" from these Herders are simply be willing to sacrifice millions, including our critical doctors, nurses, care personnel, and first responders in order to keep their fake methods going for better stock portfolios and profits.

I recommend the current wave of illness and death sweeping through India is worth watching, a place that had proclaimed herd immunity and claims that COVID was "simply the flu".

In a matter of weeks, the hospitals are utterly overwhelmed with thousands of people begging care at a single hospital, oxygen in the whole country is $600 for a single tank that is normally a few dollars, crematoriums are melting down from 24 hour use, it is a nightmare.

And that country simply took the same "do nothing" plan our "herders" are pushing for America, thank God we have what vaccine we have already, but the propaganda against vacclne and masks and care wr don't have enough immunity, particularly if we get a few COVID variants that can dodge our current vaccines and the immunity people built up from the illness itself.

The thousands of years of "natural immunity" came many times from a large number of sick, crippled and dead infected people. Watching your children, family members and parents seems to have no effect on these people who think it is best to let people get sick and die is pathetic.

Throwing away 200 years of medical science and expertise for the mythical unicorn of "joy of natural immunity" is simply nuts.

 

Trumperism leads but to dusty death. Lock him up.

 

It's sad that when the "but muh rights" people do claim to listen to science, it's nonsense science like 10%-20% herd immunity.

 

It is even more sad, but so very true that large segments of the populace cannot distinguish between real science and the pseudo science sold by the mainstream media and career CDC bureaucrats.

Sad but very easy to understand. When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

 

Quote: There's very little in political policy that can be done for the hospitals.

An irrational/mistaught response, and here's why;

ONCE AGAIN......

x number of Infections = x number of hospitalizations
x number of hospitalizations = x number of deaths

Thus, rationally, if we reduce x number of infections, we will reduce x number of hospitalizations, x number of deaths, and x number of overwhelmed hospitals, and Politically, Collectively, and Individually, a whole lot can be done to prevent/reduce x number of infections.

Let's start with POLITICALLY

PREVENTION measure # 1 out of 100

1. NO LARGE GATHERINGS, such as;

Baseball in empty stadiums a welcome event in Taiwan

April 27, 2020

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2020/apr/27/baseball-in-empty-stadiums-a-welcome-ev-1/

NOTE; In Taiwan, said ''No Fans in the Seats'' was a Government Covid19 PREVENTION measure, and then, the Taiwanese government gradually allowed x number of fans in accordance with xyz social distancing rules.

In addition, said Covid19 PREVENTION measure can't be rationally/scientifically denied!

 

In reference to Sweden's herd immunity, here's a list of threads that were created by pro-herd gullibles

Don’t weep for Sweden; it is now one of least infected countries
phoenyx, Sep 15, 2020 ...

Current results of Sweden's approach
Eleuthera, Aug 6, 2020

Sweden'S Cronovirus Strategy Will Soon be the World's
Paul7, May 16, 2020

Swedish Ambassador Says Stockholm Expected To Reach ...
https://www.npr.org › 2020/04/26 › stockholm-expected-t...

Apr. 26, 2020 — Sweden has employed a controversial coronavirus response strategy of ... Swedish Ambassador Says Stockholm Expected To Reach 'Herd Immunity' In May 2020

May 2020????????

 

I am providing you a current article regarding the efficacy of the mRNA shots.

‘You’re not in the clear with vaccines’: US lawmaker says she’s Covid-positive after 2 doses of Pfizer — RT USA News

All the best.

 

In this forum, You and I have spent more time at disproving a point, and prior to posting our rationalities, there's a whole lot of mental conditioning.

Fact; The pro-herds have been trying to prove a point since last April!

Don’t weep for Sweden; it is now one of least infected countries
phoenyx, Sep 15, 2020 ...

Current results of Sweden's approach
Eleuthera, Aug 6, 2020

Sweden'S Cronovirus Strategy Will Soon be the World's
Paul7, May 16, 2020

Swedish Ambassador Says Stockholm Expected To Reach ...
https://www.npr.org › 2020/04/26 › stockholm-expected-t...

Apr. 26, 2020 — Sweden has employed a controversial coronavirus response strategy of ... Swedish Ambassador Says Stockholm Expected To Reach 'Herd Immunity' In May 2020

Thus, WTF?

AND according to their Global infection study......''15 times higher than reported''......., we've achieved 100% Herd Immunity on Jan 7th, 2021, thus, 22.1 million confirmed cases X 15 = 331.5 million