Medieval Myths- Democracy is a Better System Than Monarchy

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    Medieval Monarchy vs Democracy

    By familiarizing oneself with other times, other eras, other civilizations, one acquires the habit of distrusting criteria of one's own time.”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”
    -H.L Mencken


    Tradition means giving a vote to that most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about. All democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of birth; tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of death. Democracy tells us not to neglect a good man’s opinion, even if he is our groom; tradition asks us not to neglect a good man’s opinion, even if he is our father.”
    -G. K. Chesterton Orthodoxy; Chapter 4; 1908



    Feudal Monarchy or Absolute Monarchy?

    The feudal order, in fact, was very different from the monarchial order that replaced it [absolute monarchy] and to witch succeeded, in a still more centralized form, the order of state control that is found today.”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    However In the course of many centuries these originally stateless societies [Feudal ] had gradually transformed into absolute – statist- monarchies.”
    --Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001


    As an important clarification I am here going to compare the christian feudal monarchies of the medieval time period to modern democracy- rather than the later Renaissance time period of absolute monarchies witch were a turn towards centralization. It was during the Renaissance and the reemergence of ancient Roman/Greek law that transformed the medieval feudal system to a system of centralized power of either absolute monarchies or later democracies and republics. Urban merchants, power hungry Kings, and Reformationist studying Roman law and needing or looking to justify centralization of power left the middle ages Feudal political system behind and moved into the Renaissance of centralized power.

    [Roman law] it was the law par excellence of those who wanted to affirm a central state authority”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    feudalism was a set of practices that arose....during the middle ages”
    -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: The Medieval World, Part II: Society, Economy, and Culture



    Divide or Unify? Liberty or Bondage? Legalized Theft and Crime -Tyranny and Exploitation by the Privileged Class of Politicians and the Totalitarian Nature of Democracy

    [in democracy]A man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practise this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he use the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two.
    -Lysander Spooner


    a battle over who will acquire the power to force the other side to bend to its will.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    A Monarchy avoids many of the downfalls of our various democracies as interest groups and politicians cannot divide us into groups and set us against each other as in every democracy. It turns us into civil enemies within a nation and even within families. So much anger and hatred is caused by dividing us into groups and teams [republican/democrat] causing tribal inclinations to see those outside the group as evil. Multiple studies examining brain function show we are bias towards our group willing to accept what we would not of the other groups as we make choices in irrational ways, and in fact on emotion, and even gain pleasure by trashing dissenters [other political parties members]

    Politics [in a democracy] makes us view each other as enemies...The structure of democratic politics actually gives me reason to despise most of my politically active fellow citizens”
    -Jason Brennan Against Democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    democracies ultimately degenerate into a system that divides citizens against each other”
    -James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying Tyranny pelican press 2010


    A King would only benefit from uniting his people. Kings did not need to social engineering for more power or steal money [tax] to buy votes as they inherit the position. In a monarchy power seekers [aka politicians] will not receive power since it is inherited and not gained by campaigns, manipulation and money from special interests. Think of the time, money, and energy saved by avoiding campaigns. In democracies the people are kept busy working to pay their taxes to acquire information outside the approved sources [government influenced education media] and play along with the system.

    The people in a democracy are the object of all kinds of manipulations and deceptions. They were taken from the land by massive industrialization, instructed by compulsory education, and their informed by television.... the people are filled with excess by a society of consumerism are overwhelmed by advertising and their will is eroded by hedonistic pleasures.... as they pay taxes and consume, they are not involved in politics and they do their part to keep the system going.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    Democracy encourages the violation of two of the ten commandments, Covetousness and theft. In democracies the government teaches its people to covet and steal [tax from other producing citizens] as a pay off for votes to keep them in power. The “rich” being whoever they can tax, the “poor” arbitrarily defined as those who they can purchase votes from by stealing other citizens money. In a democracy where politicians are always under pressure to maintain their privileged status, the ruling class will always find new groups or “have-nots” that must be given other peoples money and industries that must be bailed out, or subsides given or else, we are told, the economy will faulter.

    Democracy allows for A and B to band together to rip off C. This is not justice, but a moral outrage.”
    -Hans-Hermann Hoppe


    The fact that the oppressing groups is larger and the oppressed group is smaller in no way changes the fact the oppression or theft is a violation of the principles of self ownership... the evil nature of oppression is not altered even if the evil act is approved by a majority vote.”
    -James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying tyranny pelican press 2010


    By the forms of a free government therefore, a many-headed despotism may be established by a stronger section over a weaker section, far worse than the despotism of one man. One man may have a conscience; but men acting in masses, seldom exhibit conscientious scruples. Individuality and responsibility, are lost in numbers. That “a corporation has no soul,” is the proverbial aphorism of English law, indicating the unscrupulousness of men acting in masses. A single despot has no motive to oppress one portion of his people, more than another; but here, one half of a country rises up to plunder and oppress another half.”
    -Report on the confederate committee of foreign affairs 1861



    Once a majority are dependent on government they will vote in politicians who will aid the theft of others money on a grand scale. This will lead to half the population as wager slaves to master government, and the other half dependent slaves to government. The politician who can offer the most to the most people, wins. This of course hurts the people in a democracy and the production. The more given to the poor the more incentive too not plan for the future, not produce , and instead rely on government. The more stolen from the producers the less incentive to produce.


    a time when those who obtained their wealth from government would compose the numerical majority , and this numerical majority would always vote for those politicians who promised to tax or otherwise exploit the numerical minority... uses governments monopoly on the use of force to compel the productive element to transfer its wealth to the non productive element. This is the end stage of all mass democracies.”
    -James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying Tyranny Pelican Press 2010


    Because the members of the privileged [receive welfare] sex,race, or age group are awarded an unearned income, they have less of an incentive to earn one in the future, and because the members of the discriminated [producers] sex, race, or age group are punished for possessing wealth or having produced an income, they, too, will be less productive in the future.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural OrderRoutledge 2001


    In fact, any system that uses democratic measures of picking leaders is bound to fall into an étatiste ( “statist”) spiral, over a longer period of time. Whenever democratization occurs, in the long run, so does the expansion of the state apparatus. … Whenever elections of any sort occur, conflicts of interest begin to appear. Then, the losing side lobbies to give voting rights to those who support their ideas. The more voters, the more conflicts, and so the snowball effect goes. In the end, people with no meritocratic basis get the right to vote.”
    -Daniel Szewc The Case for Libertarian Monarchism


    Neither do democratic politicians care of the future of the nation just there own power so long as they are in office [see national debt]. While a monarch has reason to leave his holdings better than when he began for his family. Monarchs seek the best for his Kingdom in low tax, high production efforts. The better his domain's situation the better off he is.

    monarchs will tend to support a free market to gain competitiveness on a global scale. Prince Hans Adam II of Liechtenstein does exactly this. As a result, his economy thrives. A monarch looks for the best, most prosperous system, because ideological lines are not his or her goal. Rather, a monarch’s goal is to bring prosperity to the owned country.”
    -Daniel Szewc The Case for Libertarian Monarchism


    The Lords is not interested in messing with the profitability of these towns... and if that means to let the town manage itself, than most of these Lords are willing to go along with that. And since they are in competition with other Lords, in other towns, its in their interest to make there's work to the best benefit. These towns....become self governed.”
    -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: The Medieval World, Part II: Society, Economy, and Culture


    Politicians in a democracy do not care if its people are worse off as they dont pass on their power to their children. So they seek immediate benefits through exploitation of their privileged position rather than long term benefits for the country. Higher taxes means better off for the privileged now. Instead of the Gold and Silver commodity of the past today democracies steal more of the producers money by inflation. No medieval King could get away with this and live. Why must a family have two incomes today? See your IRS office. Tax theft and inflation.

    Family incomes are eroded due to inflation and the heavy taxation levied by the welfare state, forcing both parents into the workforce... little space remains for children, who according to the consumptioninist mindset are burdensome an obstacle to the enjoyment to the enjoyment of life. With the family so weakened, the state steps in as a substitute. The dissolution of the family is a work spearheaded by the democratic state.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    In a democracy anyone can gain power so they tend to be less resistance to government abuse since many politicians hope they will reach high levels of government and in turn also gain through corruption for themselves or their ideology. In a monarchy you can only be born into the position so those who have no chance are less willing to tolerate abuses. The “tyranny of numbers” historically has destroyed liberty more so than monarchies. No one's property or liberty is safe from the majority if they dont think like you and chances are they will think as the government teaches them through education. Government tyranny in a democracy is hidden by anonymity and numbers. If a King were to become tyrannical, he and he alone, would be to blame. Thus making his tyranny in the open and without half the country benefiting as no one would benefit.

    The king stands in contrast with legislators and bureaucrats, who are inclined to think, by the very nature of their jobs, that diligent performance means multiplying laws and regulations”
    -Leland B Yeager A Libertarian Case for Monarchy Lew rockwell.com


    A king would be alone reliable for debt and it would pass on to his kids while congress and a president simply pass it on to the next elected officials who will do the same and all of “we the people” suffer from it in a democracy. The King as the [usually] largest land owner would also be the number one protector of private property laws. Neither could a King create new laws to benefit himself. Medieval laws were not created by bureaucracies but were “given” and “fixed” by tradition and custom, all Lords, Dukes, and kings were bound by the same laws. The laws being inconsistent in a democracy- what is crime today might not be in the future. Has led to relativism [taught in all democracies via government education] and makes it hard to predict for the uncertain future.

    The subordination of King to law was one of the most important of principles under feudalism.”
    -Nisbet Prejudices A Philosophical Dictionary Cambridge Mass Harvard U Press quoted in Democracy the God that Failed


    The law was not at the monarchs disposal, for most rules of common life were fixed by custom.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017



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    As Hoppe points out when responsibility left the individual and became a “social” responsibility of the whole of the people [democracy] this led to expansion of crime, moral decay, and the destruction of the family, perhaps the enemy of democracy, as a moral producing extended family can take care of itself with no dependency on government. Democracies always seek to take kids out of the influence of parents and into the hands of the government to properly educate them.


    In the United States, less than a century of full blown democracy [Woodrow Wilson] has resulted in steady increasing moral degeneration, family and social disintegration and cultural decay in the form of continually rising rates of divorce, illegitimacy, abortion, and crime. As a result of ever exspanding list of non discrimination “affirmative action” laws and multiculturalism, egalitarian, immigration policies, and every nook and cranny of American society is effected by government management and forighn interrogation. According, social strife and racial, ethnic, and moral- cultural tension and hostility have increased dramatically.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001


    Today's crime rates in modern democracy are vastly higher than before welfare in America and higher than any comparison to even the worst of the wild west. Further in the wild west murders were typically 1 v 1 fair fights/duels agreed upon. Before Lyndon Johnson and the great society that brought massive welfare in America [aimed at African Americans] African American crime rates were low and the family unit together. From 1890-1950 in America the black family unit was almost equaled white family rates. Than in early 1960's the breakup of the black family caused by progressive democrats to control the votes of the population. No other one group votes so one sided and relies on government help like blacks in America. The black father has been replaced by big brother. Author of “The Guardian of the Republic” African American Allen West says of government dependency

    “the breakdown of the family. Of all the consequences of the Great Society programs and the War on Poverty, intended or otherwise, the destruction of the black family has been the most disastrous. More than 70 percent of black children are born outside of marriage. That is an epidemic. And if you take into account the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s statistics that close to three hundred thousand black babies are aborted annually, are we looking at racial genocide?......The brilliant idea for this tragedy came from the progressive socialists of the Johnson administration who thought government should provide welfare payments to women who purposely had children out of wedlock and did not seek to get married or have a male living in the same home. In other words, the Johnson administration was promoting the disintegration of the moral fiber of the black community. Furthermore, the government would send our social workers to inspect the households and ensure there were no males residing in the home, because if there were, the benefits would be cut off. As long as women remained single, they could stay on these programs and receive free health care, housing, and babysitting services for life...But the Great Society has left a legacy of economic dependence, a new form of slavery, and to me, a far more dangerous one, because it destroys the will and determination to excel. The Great Society has turned out to be a big lie, and sadly, those in my community who bought into it are stuck on the twenty-first-century plantation...To me it’s worse than physical enslavement, because it enslaves human spirit. It destroys the will and determination to seek improvement and a better life.”

    Social security and welfare reduces the importance of an extended family close relationships and marriage. The progressive welfare state undermined hard work and the family unit. It penalizes the family unit, the stable block that produces free wealthy people. Democracy encourages people to not care for themselves, instead to have the government do so. Before the dependency that politicians aimed at the black family, only 7% of black children were born outside marriage. Today 70% of black American children are born outside of marriage. By eroding marriage, the welfare state has made many Americans less capable of self-support than they were when the “War on Poverty” began. In 1950's Harlem, 90% of black babies were born into the family unit, unemployment, drugs, gangs were all down. Half of all blacks were in the middle class and closing in on whites. No government dependency. Than the government aimed dependency came in. Government replaced the father and crime rose, poverty rose, and drugs rose with no father in the home. By the 1980′s 70-80% percent of black babies were born to unwed mothers. These mothers lived their lives dependent on the government. Their children grew up also depended on the government, and the vicious cycle of dependency began. When you take out the breakup of the family of blacks, the outcome is equal to whites in finical outcome.

    As the governments family policy is implemented, divorce singldom, single parenting, and illegitimacy.... and frequency of “non traditional” lifestyles increase as well paralleled to this will be gradual but steady surge in crime.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed
    The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001


    What if in 200 years people were to look back at out governmental welfare state today. They would say this is clearly the upper class people in high position [politicians] who are saying to great masses of people, we will steal money from other people and give to you if you vote for us. Knowing the politicians are living large, not sacrificing their own to help the poor. Would they not say this is clearly legalized crime stealing and bribery to keep the powerful in power. The results also hurt and enslave those they are suppose to help. This may rightly be seen as a clear evil that is allowed. Yet the people of today truly believe they are not just helping those it hurts but that it is the moral thing to do.


    Democracy the Road to Socialism -Communism and Totalitarianism

    Democracy is the road to socialism”
    -Karl Marx


    Democracy is itself totalitarian.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    The thoughtful have always understood that there is a tension between democracy and liberty. They do not naturally go together, in fact are logically in conflict.”
    -Clyde Wilson Whatever Happened to Democracy?


    Democracies and mass voting will eventually no matter the barriers, move to socialism/communism progressivism and totalitarianism. All the totalitarian states communism, fascism, socialism, began as democracies.

    Whenever it has ever extended its empire, it has infringed on individual liberty and responsibility, private property, and free enterprise.... its grip on opinion, education and culture has led to irreversible damage. The democratic state has everywhere imposed egalitarianism moral relativism, legal conformity, the debasement of culture, and the reduction of individual freedoms all for its own profit.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    Rapid growth of state power....systematic outcome of democracy and the democratic mindset.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural OrderRoutledge 2001


    Today the government is involved with every aspect of our lives. We all live through it and see it in the news daily. Liberalism has been defined by professor Clyde Wilson as “The posing of emotional problems to be solved by mass emotional concern leading to government action, never mind what action.” Politicians will find no end to scaring the public into more government control weather it be climate change, or any number of imaginative “hobgoblins” that would cause the people to ask for salvation from those fears via government intervention.

    Fear is the foundation of most governments”
    -John Adams


    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
    - H. L. Mencken


    The government will always be their to save us from those hobgoblins. Further it will never actually fix the issue, for if it did, its services control and money/power would no longer be needed. Look at the “war on drugs.” If there were no more addicts the entire structure would be gone and they would no longer be needed. That is why they go after the drug instead of getting to the heart of the issue, the user. Than they can blame it on the drug, ask for large sums of money, and it seems they might be effective at times by throwing its citizens into prison. But than new more dangerous hobgoblin drugs appear and the drug, we are told, it what causes the user, so of course we need more police/government funding as who could ever be for kids doing drugs. So they will avoid the root cause and issues [liberal philosophy in schools- breakdown of family by welfare- removal of Christianity/bible from society] and instead run in circles that will favor them and hurt us. Than with lists of safety regulations on anything from travel to food, to every aspect of out lives. We end up with girl scouts being fined $500 for selling lemonade in the wrong zoning area. Our betters tell us what cooking oil we can use, what foods we can eat, wheat health care we may have, where and what animals we are allowed to raise on our property, what light bulbs we can use, regulations on parachute jumping, manufacturing, farmers arrested for selling raw milk by swat teams who confiscate their farm property, regulate organic farms out of business while subsidizing industrial farming system. We are denied due process if we are suspected of terrorism, the patriot act allows federal agents to write their own search warrants and wiretapping operations. A section of the marine corps is being trained in domestic law enforcement. Christians will be forced to make homosexual wedding cakes, forced to pay to fund government education teaching them against their beliefs etc etc.

    To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions witch he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical”
    -Thomas Jefferson


    Democratic power enjoyed a strangle hold on the people that is without precedence in the history of governmental systems. The suposidley free democratic people are given laws and taxed, without consultation, at the initiate of parties who site in their name. The democratic people are instructed in schools that the state controls, subsidizes, and regulates. They are informed by media the state owns or controls by means regulation, subsides, or groups of influence. They take medications the state authorizes, and they eat food the state stamps. The money they use is under the control of the state, which fixes its value and interest rate. The list of the stat's prerogatives is long, and it can only justify them through elections.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal The end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    There is nothing that is safe in a democracy liberty does not exists. Anything can be taken once the majority is propagated into believing so anything can be outlawed. If a majority in a society decided rape was legal, in a democracy this could happen. Even if laws or constitutions are in place to prevent politicians from regulating in a certain sphere, when centralized democracies allow only the central government to decide, they will find all kinds of ways around these shekels, just see the current U.S climate. And democracies will always seek to disarm its population to avoid resistance to its rule. Democracies ultimate end up totalitarian in nature even if they do allow us some rights and some freedoms to avoid resistance to their power. It is only because they currentley allow it, rather than it being God given liberty. They will keep expanding the centralized government to increase its number of employees and supporters who will have a “loose” understanding of say any Constitution. Take PBS, they are unconstitutionally supported by tax money. Would we imagine they will have a strict understanding of a Constitution or law that would limit a federal power? Of course not, to do so would bring about their own demise. The later monarchies of the early 1900's [larger than medieval] only 3% of employed workers worked for the crown often not receiving a salary.

    Our modern politicians claim the colossal license of Cesar and the superman... their [medieval] bondage came to more than our freedom”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015


    liberty is always destroyed by the multitude, in the name of liberty. Majorities within the limits of constitutional restraints are harmless, but the moment they lose sight of these restraints, the many-headed monster becomes more tyrannical, than the tyrant with a single head; numbers harden its conscience, and embolden it, in the perpetration of crime. And when this majority, in a free government, becomes a faction, or, in other words, represents certain classes and interests to the detriment of other classes, and interests, farewell to public liberty; the people must either become enslaved, or there must be a disruption of the government. ”
    - Raphael Semmes Confederate Admiral 1868


    A despotism may almost be defined as a tried democracy”
    -G.K Chesterton
     
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    Vote for me- Democracy Creates Professional Politicians aka Psychopaths

    Democratic governments always favor leaders who are power hungry, aggressive, egotistical, and who are willing to compromise on principle for the sake of gaining, or maintaining power.”
    -James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying tyranny pelican press 2010


    The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars, the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”
    -H.L Mencken


    What is true, just, and beautiful is not determined by popular vote. The masses everywhere are ignorant, short sighted, motivated by envy, and easy to fool. Democratic politicians must appeal to these masses in order to be elected. Whoever is the best demagogue will win. Almost by necessity, then, democracy will lead to the perversion of truth, justice and beauty.”
    -Hans-Hermann Hoppe


    The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it and least of all those who seek the opportunity.”
    -J.R.R Tolkien


    What makes a successful politician in our modern American centralized democracy? A psychopath who will lie to voters. People wont vote for someone who tells them the truth or that would put responsibility on them, rather they want to hear what they want to hear. They want to look towards a politician who will tell them what they want and offer them what they desire while telling them they will be the savior and all we must must do is vote for them. These saviors can fix any issues you have despite even the weather [climate change]. If 10 years old's could vote, we would begin to hear of free universal ice cream and bicycles for all.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”
    -H L Mencken


    Democracy virtually-assures that only bad and dangerous men will ever rise to the top of government.”
    -Hans-Hermann Hoppe


    The ideal politician, on the other hand, is pliable, convincing, and a liar by instinct.... the single thing to which he is truly committed is power.... only politicians who presents this aspect is recognized as fir for power in a democracy.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    Political leaders not only routinely make promises they never keep but also frequenter use outright deceptions and manipulations to win votes.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    When we think of a Psychopath we might think of a madman or serial mass murderer. But in fact most Psychopaths are highly intelligent and very good at what they do. A smart psychopath can avoid prison and find other, less conspicuous ways to satisfy his or her lust for dominating and controlling others, and what better way than through politics and big business? From the book The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success.

    https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Psych...f+psychopaths&qid=1563710426&s=gateway&sr=8-1

    "...renowned psychologist Kevin Dutton reveals that there is a scale of "madness" along which we all sit. Incorporating the latest advances in brain scanning and neuroscience, Dutton demonstrates that the brilliant neurosurgeon who lacks empathy has more in common with a Ted Bundy who kills for pleasure than we may wish to admit functional psychopaths" among us―different from their murderous counterparts―who use their detached, unflinching, and charismatic personalities to succeed in mainstream society, and that shockingly, in some fields, the more "psychopathic" people are, the more likely they are to succeed....after all, psychopaths tend to be fearless, confident, charming, ruthless, and focused―qualities that are tailor-made for success in the twenty-first century.”

    also see

    Why Great Presidents Often Are Psychopaths
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/would-you-vote-for-a-psychopath/


    Yes, politicians are more likely than people in the general population to be sociopaths. I think you would find no expert in the field of sociopathy/psychopathy/antisocial personality disorder who would dispute this... That a small minority of human beings literally have no conscience was and is a bitter pill for our society to swallow — but it does explain a great many things, shamelessly deceitful political behavior being one.....Nor is there much of a difference between the havoc wreaked on innocent lives by uncaring, unfeeling, selfish, irresponsible, parasitic criminals and elected officals who lie to their constituents , trade political favors for campaign contributions, turn a blind eye to the wishes of the electorate, cheat taxpayers out of hard-earned dollars, favor the corporate elite, entrench the military industrial complex, and spare little thought for the impact their thoughtless actions and hastily passed legislation might have on defenseless citizens.”
    - Dr Martha Stout .A clinical psychologist who was long affiliated with Harvard Medical School, she’s the author of The Sociopath Next Door and other popular books on emotional disorders


    Scientific American, a very liberal atheistic source, published an article showing the personality traits most comparable to politicians, is Psychopaths. And the more Psychopathic a person is, the higher chance of success being elected in our “get out the vote” democracy. A 2007 article from scientific American said of politicians/psychopaths

    “Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it... Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead.”

    In general, the political parties cease to function as representatives organs at the moment they ascend to power... power exerts on many men and women a fascination to witch very few are capable of resisting, and these few do not generally get involved in democratic politics.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017



    But who Will Purchase the Votes of the Poor Masses – Sorry, I Meant What About Welfare?

    The church provided education, literacy, civil services.”
    -Christopher Tyerman Gods war a new history of the Crusades Harvard U Press Cambridge Mass 2006


    all schools as well as most hospitals and charities were provided by the church.”
    -Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History Templeton Press
    2016

    In Feudal times as in the biblical model the church was to care for the needy leading people to Christ rather than dependency and political slavery as the wasteful corrupt government welfare system does [only 40% of money used by the federal for welfare reaches it target- it is said not to donate to an organization under 60%]. So in other words they gave to the poor not created them. Also the [than existing in a biblical agrarian society] extended family cared for the poor and medical needs of their family. As well as private contracts provided services. In those times peoples wealth was there own [no fear of government taking it] and they believed God would judge them on how they treated the poor. Further Lords and Knights often swore oaths to protect the weak and poor as well as monks and priests. In a christian decentralized kingdom such as the medieval ages the local area would be family and like minded people willing to help each other. Look at the Amish today. When a house burns down the entire town helps out and rebuilds the house. This system avoids all the negatives of state welfare and works to uniting families and local continuities to Christ as well.
     
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    Two Party System-Self Government and Decentralization

    Under Democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule- and both commonly succeed, and are right.”
    -H.L. Mencken


    Rule by the people is a myth which loses all substance once confronted with the real practice in democracy.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal The end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    In a centralized democracy self government is nothing but an illusion, would anyone suggest the Jews in Germany were given self government under Hitler? Hitler was elected democratically. Did half the country get self government under Trump? Was the south allowed representation by Abraham Lincoln? For those who lose the vote they are not represented by the opposing party and vice versa, next election for the winning side. The major parties regulate to keep out third parties from being elected. Usually around 1/3 of the population do not even vote. As Chosal points out most do not vote since none of the politicians represent them, or they find the whole of politics ugly and corrupt. Maybe they see the use of force and cohesion of others as a moral wrong and chose not to vote. Neither does your vote count. Your more likely to win the Powerball multiple times than change an election with your vote. Because deep down we know this, most dont invest time to properly educate ourselves to make an informed vote. Democracies dont not care of the individual, but the collective. That is why the democratic mindset forces everyone into groups [voting blocks] based on religion, race, gender, etc etc

    A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to chose a new master once in a term of years”
    -Herbert Spencer the right to Ignore the state quoted in Against Democracy


    Debates and elections are just rituals as the parties have already decided who will win, voting really does no good. Further the politician must pay back those interest groups and do their bidding to maintain there power. If their really was democracy and the parties did not have the control, than people would vote for who best they like, rather than who the party has told them to vote for. Those in America who won the election likely would without parties struggle to be above 5%, even if they were the highest vote getter. In america both parties are democratic/Marxist socialist centralizers statist anyways. The differences between right and left ignore the fact they both are for increasing centralized state power.

    They [political parties] both agree to buy the Camry, there now just debating weather to get the sports package or hybrid.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    They [the average voter] sense themselves powerless against the state, and indeed they are.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    But in reality neither gets what they want because the power structure in a mass democracy belongs to the interest groups, big business, the political parties, the politicians, corporations, lawyers, bureaucrats, media, education and bankers. We done elect them or give them our consent yet this does not matter.

    the government forces you to abide by its rules, no matter what you do, and will fine, imprison, beat, or even kill you if you resist.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    We have no reasonable way of opting out of government control. As Brennan points out “you cant even move to Antarctica- the governments of the world forbid you to live there.” Picking a democrat or republican is like a group of men telling an innocent women she must have sex with one of them, but she can chose witch one. Or do you wish to be shot or stabbed? We are told “no means no” but to the government our “no” means yes. The government might through education teach against your beliefs and do a poor job at that so you home school. Yet still you must pay for government to teach what you see as evil. Same with participation in democracy.

    in democracy we are not volunteers, we are conscripts, we cannot opt out, we are forced into it....governments do not merely advise us to follow their rules....they enforce their laws and rules with violence, or threats of violence.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    For someone to say “there ought to be a law requiring X, is in effect, to say, I want to threatened people with violence unless they do X”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    No matter how you vote, the outcome is the same, the democratic mindset forces us into large groups and the individual and his desire for self government is lost. Test it, do not vote or vote every time and see if it makes any difference. It is a con to have you believe you decide your government.

    Democracy isent meant to empower individuals, its intended to disempower all the individuals in favor or large groups.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    If a well meaning politician is elected after the people have been divided into their groups by race, religion, gender etc it is usually one section's elected who is pushing for his or her “group” interests that run counter to others. It is one big fight to coerce the rest of the citizens and mold them as they desire. Nothing could divide people more or cause more hatred anger and aggression tearing apart families and friends.

    Under democracy everyone becomes a threat.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001


    Politicians are not experts in their field neither do they have time to study subjects in depth and here all view points, rather lobby groups inform them. So instead of a thousand tyrants have just one, a King, who in fact can be resisted. As the Virginian John Taylor said elections simply are us choosing what master [political party] will rule over us. In the end we do not vote for ourselves, but for others as a whole or group, democracy allows all to impose their bad ideas on everyone else. We simply select the lesser or two evils. Only in a decentralized system could self government ever be realized.

    The concept of an organic [self rule] society was abolished at the time of the french revolution....everything which allowed the people to protect themselves from the power of the state was crushed in the name of liberty.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal The end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    A local government is more accountable to the people, and more in line with the local people. Decentralization allows diversity in government that a centralized government cannot offer. If one area wishes to provide universal health care, socialist tax code it can. If the area next town/county/state over wishes to have a libertarian society and a fair tax code, it can. The people can decide for themselves. This would also stop so much fighting between separate groups because neither could force themselves on the other as we do today in our modern centralized democracy. Wars would not be needed as there would be no cause when all can live as they wish. No cohesion. People could literally vote with their feet. Think of east Germans of the centralized soviet socialist who blocked in their runaway slaves [sorry] citizens and shot them for running away from the tyranny.

    “”secession/decentralization Increases ethnic, linguistic, religious, and cultural diversity, while centuries of centralization have stamped out hundreds of distinct cultures.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001


    This also would allow multiple ways of dealing with a certain problem be tried and tested. We could have a dozen separate ways to do education, we could than test the results. The areas that “failed” in their way could adopt another more successful way if they chose to. But If the centralized government does education a certain way, and it fails, than everyone suffers. Since there are so many different opinions on how to better the education system in America, all could have it their own way instead of being forced by a central dictatorship in Washington- centralization forces conformity. Further this would force competition on government to behave and treat its citizens well and avoid corruption as this would give people choice and they could move to an area of like minded people. This is also the reason corrupt governments always seek centralization to avoid choice so as to be able to become more corrupt. True diversity would blossom as would free markets.

    A highley decentralized power structure composed of countless independent political; units explains the origin of capitalism- the expansion of market participation and of economic growth. It is not by accident that capitalism first flourished under conditions of extreme political decentralization.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001



    A power structure of a centralized democracy can not be removed easily, where as a tyrant king [a single person] can be. Centralized governments and the modern state can turn as tyrannical as they wish and have a monopoly on force through police and the military. If a monarchy did so it would pit him against all his population who could than turn against him and in a decentralized system, such as the medieval time period, he would be hopelessness outnumbered and the people would truly rule. So today what a centralized authority declares law, it is so, with no hope of recourse no matter how tyrannical or contrary to previous laws. In the decentralized medieval system [as in antebellum America as well] laws were the authority.

    democracies “has placed the state above the law – the state self-defines and self-interprets the constitution; the state has a monopoly on the adjudication of its dictates. This places the state in a position to decide what law is, and how law is applied. The only hope one has to influence this is to turn a minority into a majority. Such a concept was unknown to the mediaeval mind – each individual held a form of veto. No majority was necessary, and minority rights were fully protected – even for the minority of one.”
    -Bionic Mosquito Decentralization Hidden in the dark Ages
     
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    The Average Voter in a Democracy


    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
    -Winston Churchill


    The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.”
    -Albert Einstein


    The mass of people, as La Boetie and Mises reorganized, always and everywhere consists of “brutes” “dullards” and “fools” easily deluded and stuck in habitual submission. Thus today, individuated from early childhood with government propaganda in public schools and educational institutions by legions of publicly certified intellectuals, most people mindlessly accept and repeat nonsense such as that democracy is self-rule and government is of, by, and for the people.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001


    Talk with the average voter today you will find they know more of and care far more about the next Iphone than political philosophy. Of those who do hold some interest, 95% will toe the party line and have the same opinion as the major media source they listen to or that of their professors and educators. The ignorance of the ordinary voter who comes through government education [ by no surprise see centralized governments as demi-God saviors] ignorant of the issues and facts behind politics shows how easily they can be manipulated by media/education types. Brennan rightly points out the average voter resembles a fan of their political party rather than a political philosopher.

    The vast bulk of Americans proceed through twelve years of government funded education [by an interesting coincidence] teaches them all about the wonders of federal government, how lost they'd be without it, and how foolish it would be to worry that the constitution might not authorize most of what it does. Portrayed as a benevolent force innocently pursuing the common good....cost less benefits granted by selfless crusaders for justice”
    -Tomas Woods Nullification How to Resist federal tyranny in the 21st Century


    In a monarchy public opinion would not be manipulated by educators/media to sway a majority this way or that. Indoctrination would not gain any ground in its efforts as it would wholly useless. Many know there vote wont count in a mass voting system and they fail to educate themselves proper. Politicians push to “get out the vote” is as Brennan points out dangerous. Most citizens due us no favor by voting specifically those who are manipulated by politicians to vote based on emotional reactions and quick uniformed votes. It does not matter if you vote, but how you vote. It is than the innocent people who suffer, not the politicians.

    Most democratic citizens and voters are, well, ignorant, irrational and misinformed nationalist”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    In Jason Brennan's book against Democracy he cites scores of studies that show the absolute ignorance of the public to issues they vote on as well as the indoctrination and misinformation they believe to be true. The masses are indeed ignorant or misinformed. During election years most citizens cannot identify any congressional candidate in their own district. Citizens generally dont know which party controls congress [makes you wonder what the difference is]. ¼ dont know who United States fought during the revolution. Less than 1/3 know that Karl Marx communist slogan “from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs” is not in the Constitution. In 2000 less than half new Al Gore was more supportive of abortion, welfare and environmental regulation than Bush. Democracy is power to control other peoples bodies and force them to do as you will. It exposes innocent people to the Masses desires and wants. And as Jason Brennan points out they are ignorant, misinformed, irrational, bias and often immoral.

    About 65 years ago we started measuring how much voters know... For as long as we've been measuring, the mean, model, and median voters have been misinformed or ignorant about basic political information....their ignorance and misinformation causes them to support policies and candidates they would not support if they were better informed.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    in a recent poll, only 26% of Americans could name the branches of their government. These, mind you, are the people who decide, in a democracy, who the most qualified to manage government affairs. Democracy also implies a collectivist mindset, as well as collective responsibility, which diminishes personal liberty. ”
    -Daniel Szewc The Case for Libertarian Monarchism



    Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of ignorance.”
    -H L Mencken


    Centralized democratic government schools will always preach atheism/evolution. Yet they know that mankind are spiritual and moral beings. Democracies disciples in these schools will look for moral causes outside of themselves. To try and fill this God sized whole in humanity the government will always supply various opportunities through environmentalism, socialism, fighting racism, diversity etc to keep them sidetracked and to find moral fulfillment in their lives. This of course will be done through politics. They either must vote and self sacrifice in some way to bigger government, or they are to become a politician to fix the worlds problems witch they are told can only be achieved by higher taxes more regulation and government control. Thus democracy will form “progressive politicians” while the person who wished to live and let live, or who finds the idea of controlling others as mad, or politics in general as nasty, will not attempt to become a politician.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end,for they do so with the approval of their consciences."
    --C. S. Lewis


    "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority.It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern.They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
    --Daniel Webster


    It was thought years ago that the majority could not be deceived long, but this was at a time when people had traditions, morality, and higher law than government. The state had not yet controlled education to remove and demonize those obstacles to molding its population to its own image.

    There is little doubt that compulsory education was an exstermely important step towards the totalitarian state.”
    -Erik Von Kuehnet- Leddihn Liberty and equality quoted in the end of democracy


    the individual therein [atheistic democracy] is considered a human material...able to be exchanged or manipulated at will. He is reduced solely to his utilitarian aspects of producer, consumer and taxpayer. He is merely a tool programmed by the media and education.... in order to suitable fulfill his role as “ram material” the individual must be void of any roots, without race, without nation, and without religion. He must be devoid of an ideal, or rather his sole ideal must be simply the satisfaction of his needs. In morality, he must be relativistic so as to readily accept all tendencies of the ruling power....furthermore the individual must be void of personality as of independent judgment. It is imperative that he conform to the movements of the crowd and not seek to be different.””
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017




    You Shall Know Them by Their Fruits


    The worst evils which mankind has ever had to endure were inflicted by bad governments.”
    -Ludwig Von Mises


    R. J. Rummel has studied the phenomenon of the state killing people within its jurisdiction. He calculates that nearly four times as many people have been killed by their own governments as have been killed in all the wars, domestic and foreign, fought around the globe in the twentieth century. Killing on this scale would not be possible without the subversion of independent social authorities caused by massive centralization. If so, the greatest threat to human life in the twentieth century has not been war but the massive centralization of power in modern states. Rummel says, its as if nuclear war occurred, and no one noticed.”
    -Donald Livingston The Southern Critique of Centralization



    The “bads” of the Enlightenment are not so readily admitted by its proponents: communism, eugenics, racial purity, selective breeding, National Socialism, Fabianism, Progressivism, fascism, egalitarianism, modern democracy.”
    -Daniel Ajamian the Cost of the Enlightenment


    Centralized Democracies of the last century have killed more [often of its own people] and caused more evil than all the medieval Kings combined. Stalin, Hitler, Pol pot to name a few. Further they have trampled the liberties of its people and forced them using the cohesive power of the state to shape and control large sections of its populace often with death to those who would not conform to the new centralized dictates. Democracy produced communism, fascism, socialism, and social democracy [liberalism]. Think of a town mayor turning tyrannical, he will be easily resisted, a strong military and centralized democracy turns evil it will lead to mass destruction.


    The recently ended twentieth century was characterized by a level of human rights violations unparalleled in all of human history. In the book death by government, Rudolph Rummel estimates some 170 million government-caused deaths in the twentieth century. The historical evidence appears to indicate that, rather than protecting life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of their citizens, governments must be considered the greatest threat to human security.... it is states that are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and immeasurable destruction of the 20th century alone. Compared to that, victims of private crimes are almost negligible.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Professor Emeritus of Economics at UNLV, Distinguished Senior Fellow with the Mises Institute, founder and president of The Property and Freedom Society



    Modern wars are fought for political and ideological causes, like democracy or nationalism- ideas that would seem worth the shedding of one drop of blood to most medieval men and women”
    -Thomas Madden The new Concise History of the Crusades Rowman and Littlefield Publishers inc 2004
     
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    Warfare - Total war or Chivalry?


    Never had war been so harmless.”
    --Palmer and Cotton a History of the eastern World quoted in Democracy the God that Failed


    Feudal wars which in no way resembled modern wars....previously war was above all a matter of taking prisoners, now it was an attempt to kill the adversary”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    All governments tend towards expansion of territory and power. However the monarch has the option to do so through marriage. Nobels would marry other nobles to increase power [also why incest happened to keep power within the family] instead of warfare. The medieval wars were usually disputes over complex inheritance issues and extinct dynasties. Warfare was for the most part guided by the christian principles of chivalry. Wars were the domain of the King and his allied nobles- not of the country as a whole, nor of the people. The typical citizen would not realize a war was going on in either country. The King was responsible to finance the expedition himself and civil life was left alone. If territory expansion was conducted by government [king] it benefits only him and he should pay experiences alone. This made wars very costly and a King would be reluctant to engage in long or large scale disputes.

    “definitely regarded as a kind of single combat between two armies, the civil population being merely spectators. Pillage, requisitions, acts of violence against the population were forbidden the home country as well as the enemy country... soldiers being scarce and hard to find...meticulous trained, but as this was costly, it rendered them very valuable, and it was necessary to let as few be killed as possible... generals tried to avoid fighting battles. The object of warfare was the exacustion of skillful maneuvers and not the annihilation of the adversary... war became a kind of game between sovereigns”
    -Guglielmo Ferrero Peace and war


    Because of the costs to the King directly [does not have ability to steal through tax like a democracy] , limited numbers, and because of decentralization in the political system causalities were far lower. But also wars were far less frequent or total. Further the soldiers under the King were not forced mercenaries/slaves [conscripts] made to fight for a cause that does not benefit them and that they might disagree with or think evil. Instead Lords protected the people in their domain who in return would swear an allegiance to the lord. It was a mutual beneficial situation that encouraged Lords to serve his/her people well as he would have more and more loyal men who would willingly fight under his banner. A much better situation for the people rather than modern democracies forcing men to fight for them or using state power to persecute them for “treason.” The king could not extract contributions only solicit subsides from loyal subjects who through their own free will supported the king and used it as an opportunity to make deals . Often deals were made to save each Lord from continuation of the expensive war and wars were won or lost based on small scale objectives.

    the influence of the spirit of nationalism, that is of democracy, on war was profound... it emotionalized war, and consequentially, brutalized it... wars were largely the occupation of Kings, courtiers and gentlemen. Armies lived on their depots ….soilders were paid out of the kings privy purse they were too costly to be thrown away lighltey on massive attacks. The change came about with the french revolution...armies became more and more institutions of the people, not only did they grow in size but in ferocity.”
    -Fuller war and Western Civilization quoted in Democracy the God that Failed


    War became total war, in large part driven by another gift of the Enlightenment, modern democracy. While Lincoln established the precedent fifty years earlier, it was finally in the Great War when war of all against all became generally accepted throughout and within Europe, an event for the nation and not merely the combatants Poison gas, air raids over civilian populations, submarines destroying ships regardless of flag or purpose, the blockade of civilian food and supplies, even peace not leading to relief.And church towers used as observation posts, leading to their destruction; painting a picture of the cost of the Enlightenment”.
    -Daniel Ajamian the Cost of the Enlightenment


    In a democracy war is the only means of expanding its exploitation [tax] base. Centralization and democracy brought war and nationalism. Wars were now fought far more frequent and were far more devastating seeking submission of the enemy and reconstruction in the winners image. Sherman, Sheridan , and Grant brought total war to the south and than reconstructed it from its decentralized republic to a centralized democracy in the image of the northern republicans. They than went to war on the Indians and expanded the empire west. WW1 and WW2 followed their paths. Today they engage in various wars around the world spreading American “democracy.” Wars are now between the entire nations as all of “we the people” are at war. Now taxes are used to build massive armies with the help of government conscription were losses are easily replaced and battles are now sought to annihilate the enemy and wear them down since the politicians money and men are not used. Soldiers are now slaves of the government forced into conscription to fight a war for their masters [elected officials] weather they agree with the war or not. In the feudal age nobles were expected to not just fight, but lead the armies into battle.

    In 150 years conscription had led the world back to tribal barbarism”
    -Fuller conduct of war quoted in Democracy the God that Failed


    Solders pillage large scale, attack, steal, rape, confiscate private property on a massive scale since the introduction of democracy. Because war was now total and the “people” against another nation rather than a Kings loyal knights, the whole of the enemy becomes a target an weapons on mass destruction were sought and created such as the machine gun and bombs. In the medieval west, many saw the bow and later the long bow as immoral and cowardly. In WW2 America dropped bombs on the civilian cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing 150,000 to 200,000 men woman and children. Some took weeks or months to die after the bombing. That these were used to save lives seems to come after the war [see Don’t Whitewash the Hiroshima Bombing By Peter Van Buren ] “Harry Truman, in his 1945 annosuncment of the bomb, focused on vengeance, and on the new power to destroy at a button push—“We are now prepared to obliterate more rapidly and completely every productive enterprise the Japanese have above ground in any city,” The Americans were the “good guys” in this war such is the terror of democracy.


    Chivalry is the christian form of the military profession. The knight is the christian soldier...nor are the religion and the profession at all separate from each other.”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015


    no one could become a knight without first becoming a christian, without having been baptized”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015



    The Medieval Knight had its origins in Catholic Europe during the feudal time period. Anyone could become a Knight, it was not only for the nobility. Along with the nobels, the knight was the celberty of the day leading people to christian lifestyels. They would join voluntarily and were free to leave whenever they wanted. The medival Knight was a christian soilder who followed the 10 comandmnets of knighthood as outlined in Leon Gautier book Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight. Among them was to obey the church, defend the church, defend the weak such as orpahns, widows, monks, preists, hospitals, charity organizations, to have love the country of their birth, no retreat, perform feudal duties if not contray to the laws of God, never lie, be genrous and donate, and be the chapion of the right aginst injustice and evil. A knights life consited of prayer in the mornings, daily mass, fasting, swearing an oath to the church. Knight were the guardians of the church and those who could not defend themselves. His model knight to imiate were king David, Joshua, Judas Maccabess, Charlemagne, Micheal the archangel, Godfrey of Bouillon and Richard the Lionherted.

    Wherever the church was, there the knight also was to be found to accompany and to protect...the knights mission was to defend all weaknesses”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015
     
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    Destroy the Church- Replacing the Catholic Church and Monarchy With the Modern State


    "Atheist have no savior, so they often look to government to be their savior, to bring peace, to establish a utopia, to meet needs, to provide material things and so on."
    --Stephen McDowell The Bible America's Source of law and Liberty Providence Foundation 2016


    Democracy, the most celebrated religion of both the Left and Right..It is a religion, a faith, which is seen as an objective, universal truth, a truth that cannot be challenged. It is the solution to all ills. It is perfect and cannot be damaged by evidence. ..When a society does well, the true believers attribute this to an improvement in democracy. When a democratic system does not work — as it doesn’t in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and South Asia — the blame must go elsewhere. The true believers always ask for more democracy.”
    - Jayant Bhandari No Cheers for Democracy


    Democracy is not just a political system. It is much more, and its nature approaches that of the gods if we consider with how much respect it is treated and with what devotion it is honored. The idolatrous character of democracy is clearly seen in the absolute refusal to question it in any way.... without it [democracy] [we are told] nothing is certain but chaos, oppression, and misery.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal The end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017



    The state takes place of Jehovah.”
    -Roscoe Pound former President of Harvard School of law



    No one can be at the same time a good catholic and a true socialist. Socialism.... cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the catholic church. Because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to christian truth.”
    -Pope Pius 11th



    Democracy has led to rapid growth in the federal government, because there is no higher authority, than the government thinks itself god. There is nothing it cannot touch. It can take away any right from anyone. It thinks it must not just solve all the ills in the country, it must control all modes of behavior and set its own standards. It will regulate the lives to conform to its own image that is beneficial to itself, resulting in more power to itself. People became servants of the state rather than the government servants of its citizens. Democracy has no higher law or morality. There is no good or evil but what the majority decides, it knows only numbers and force. What is wrong today could be good tomorrow. In all democracies relativism must reign and will be preached through government sources such as media and education. The people must be relativistic so as to be easily manipulated.


    "The tyrant state abhors an objective standard [gods law] to which it is accountable, rather, flourishes in a subjective environment. It wants to be accountable to no one."
    -Matthew J Trewhella The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates A Proper resistance to Tyranny and a Repudiation of Unlimited Obedience to Civil Government


    Democracy itself rests on the conviction that there are no ultimate convictions.... none about which we can know and on which we can form a public consensus to guide public policy”
    -Henry J Hyde “Religion and politics” quoted in Roman Catholics and Evangelicals Norman Geisler and Ralph Mackenzie



    deriving its powers from the will, and shaping its policy according to the wishes, of a numerical majority of the people; we shall have, in other words, a supreme, irresponsible democracy. The Government does not now recognize itself as an ordinance of God..”
    -Dr. James Henly Thornwell of South Carolina our danger and our duty 1862



    This is in drastic contrast to the medieval monarch who's view was Governments are instituted among men to protect those unalienable rights that come from a higher authority than man [government] that is god. The medieval king constantly acknowledged that biblical higher power that they were accountable to. Man was not the ultimate authority. A monarch authority comes from God not a magic blood line [pagan] or a Roman republic [government] the King was under the churches and Gods authority. This philosophy that reorganizes a creator, produces a limited government. Government is not the ultimate authority but is to protect all citizens god given liberty. It also believes that man should alter and abolish a government that is destructive to those rights of the people. In a christian monarchies Christ was the true king and Kings [not indoctrinated by modern secular states as the highest authority] obeyed God and law and reigned in the fear of the Lord.


    In the Europe of the Middle Ages, the noble was concerned with his eternal life and God’s eternal kingdom and this concern shaped his behavior; no longer the case since the Enlightenment. The common motto for today’s enlightened “nobility” is “he who dies with the most toys wins.” This is reflected in our time: corruption, lust, and greed define the new nobility.”
    -Daniel Ajamian the Cost of the Enlightenment



    Tamar the Great ...At the beginning of her reign, Tamar convened a Church council and addressed the clergy with wisdom and humility: “Judge according to righteousness, affirming good and condemning evil,” she advised. “Begin with me — if I sin I should be censured, for the royal crown is sent down from above as a sign of divine service. Allow neither the wealth of the nobles nor the poverty of the masses to hinder your work. You by word and I by deed, you by preaching and I by the law, you by upbringing and I by education will care for those souls whom God has entrusted to us, and together we will abide by the law of God, in order to escape eternal condemnation.… You as priests and I as ruler, you as stewards of good and I as the watchman of that good.”
    -Fr. Zakaria Machitadze The Lives of Georgian Saints quoted from A Theological and Political Defense of Monarchy Ryan P. Hunter


    It goes without saying that, as all presidential republics or parliamentary democracies see authority as primarily coming up temporarily to elected rulers from the people of the nation themselves and not down from God upon divinely anointed and consecrated king and queens, no elected system can theoretically or practically embody, manifest, or make real the solemn and covenantal three-way relationship that exists between God, a crowned and anointed monarch, and his or her people.”
    -Quoted from A Theological and Political Defense of Monarchy Ryan P. Hunter


    Kings reigned by biblical standards and did not rule or control its people as we have today. Instead they led by example as moral christian royal families. Unlike today's modern pagan celebrities who lead the masses away from Christ. Even today kids grow up pretending naturally to be princess, queens, knights and kings, not presidents or lobbyist. Disney makes a killing off of its princesses and castles. Something of the monarchist system in mankind looks to royalty as a positive influence and christian morals. The Bible speaks of the eternal King to come who will rule from Jerusalem.

    logic suggests and history demonstrates that monarchies have been much more stable than democracies in their adherence to Christian faith and morality. The history of democracy since the French Revolution shows an ever-accelerating decline in faith and morality, and an ever-expanding undermining of the natural hierarchical relations that God has placed in human society, whether these be between parents and children, husbands and wives, teachers and pupils, or political rulers and their subjects. And by undermining these natural heirarchical relations, it implicitly undermines the most important heirarchical relationship of all, that between God and man. The Orthodox monarchy, on the other hand, strengthens all these relationships, and orients society as a whole to spiritual goals rather than the exclusively secular and material goals of contemporary democracy.”
    -Vladamir Moss

    Standing neutral above party politics, he has a better chance than an elected leader of becoming the personified symbol of his country, a focus of patriotism and even of affection..... In a free country the king is a being apart, superior to differences of opinion, having no other interest than the maintenance of order and liberty. He can never return to the common condition, and is consequently inaccessible to all the passions that such a condition generates”
    -Leland B Yeager A Libertarian Case for Monarchy Lew rockwell.com



    the spirit of atheism was not fitted, to enter into the mind of the feudal baron”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015



    Every family has a father and mother just as a monarch serves as a form of father/mother to the country. This helps unification of the country rather than division from politicians like in democracies. They also symbolize christian ideals of marriage, family and unity. And like the biblical decentralized/tribal model, the people remained in power.


    Ancient Jewish society, even in the heyday of monarchy, never gave way to abolitionism [absolute monarch] . The “people” always remained, directly and indirectly a body of influence on the affairs of the state”
    -Chaim Herzog and Mordechai Gichon Battles of the Bible GreenHill Books London 2002



    the medieval church placed considerable importance on the old testament.”
    -Christopher Tyerman Gods war a new history of the Crusades Harvard U Press Cambridge Mass 2006



    The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself...He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.18 When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests. 19 It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the Lord his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees 20 and not consider himself better than his fellow Israelites and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel
    -Deuteronomy 17 16-18
     
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    Democracy- the Enemy of the Church? The People?


    If men will not be governed by God, they will be ruled by tyrants.”
    -
    William Penn


    Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.”
    Robert Winthrop, Speaker of the House U.S



    Socialism is the natural enemy of religion... the entry of socialism is, consequential, the exodus of religion. No man can be consistantley both a socialist and a christian.... socialism, both as a philosophy and as a form of society, is the antitheses of religion.”
    -Executive committee of the socialist party of Great Britain 1911



    Democracies mold the population to their desire, those with principle/religion/tradition/customs/tribal beliefs that would not conform faced annihilation. Mao killed 78 million of his own people. Hitler 17 million and Stalin 23 million. Voltaire and the Atheistic french revolution leaders directly attacked the catholic church as its enemy. They sought to dispel Catholicism and monarchy by persecution. Some of the new democracies government actions were to Drown priests, while killing thousands of priests, nuns and bishops. 16 nuns were arrested for private prayer and guillotined than striped naked and thrown in common grave . They took church property. Closed monasteries and convents while dissolving religious orders. Took away their money through tithes. Confiscated valubels. Did away with church holidays, names of streets, towns etc. Did not allow public displayed of crosses and outdoor worship was outlawed . No visible statues or church bells could not be rung. Later only the only legal priest were those who supported the “state” that did what the state wanted and gutted Christianity and were forced to denounce the Pope. They criminalized non state clergy, the death penalty to any who harbored non state priest . Priest could not wear Priestley cloths. Tombstones were smashed that had crosses. No building could be purchased for “religious” purposes. Cults replaced Christianity. The cult of reason worshiped a statue of the goddess of reason and they met in the cathedral of Notre Dame. Street signs were renamed as were holidays based on saints. France changed from the biblical 7 day work week to a 10 day work week. Sep 1792 3 priest were drowned 200 in Paris killed. Priest and nuns executed in Lyon hundreds thrown in prison. Among the victims of the revolution in 1793 that killed tens of thousands of non conforming [nor represented] citizens were thousands of priests and nuns. When Pierre-Rene Rogues carried the Eucharist through the streets on Christmas= eve he was arrested and executed. In the three years of the anti catholic/monarchist democratic revolution victims were Guillotined, 17,000; shot at Toulon, 2000; drowned at Mantes, men, women, and children, 4,800. Then there were the murders by the mob about 10,000 were killed without trial in the province of Anjou alone.

    We have at once and for all declared war on religion and religious ideas”
    -Fredrich Engels 1844


    When Lenin came into power he executed priest, bishops, nuns and monks by the thousands. Closed monasteries and convents and imprisoned or shut up in labor camps and mental hospitals. In 1922 their was a concentration camp for clergy on an island in the white sea and they were executed by firing squad. 200,000 in all were killed for their faith. Throughout Russia they were crucified, mutilated, castrated, frozen alive, buried alive, burned, thrown into burning tar, scalped, strangled, drowned, and given communion with melting lead. Estimated that as many as 20 million in all were killed for their religion and monarchist opinions in Russia. 6,832 members of the Catholic clergy were murdered in the Spanish Republican Red Terror of 1936. For more detail on the horrors see “Rodney stark bearing false witness debunking centuries of anti-catholic history templton press.” Centralized government have always treated Christianity the same. Rome offered the first massive persecution but does the same as modern centralized democracies.

    The Roman Empire had brought to the Mediterranean basin an unprecedented political unity... the general policy of the empire was to encourage as much uniformity as possible... in order to achieve greater unity, Imperial policy sought religious uniformity by following two routes syncrestism [the indiscriminate mixing of elements from various religions] and emperor [state] worship. Rome had a vested interest in having its subjects from different lands believe that although their Gods had different names, they were ultimate the same gods... syncretism became the fashion of the time. In that atmosphere Jews and Christians were seen as unbending fanatics who insisted on the sole worship of their God- an alien cyst that must be removed for the good of society.”
    -Justo L Gonzalez the Story of Christianity Volume 1 Harper One 2010



    Romans were extremely tolerant of any kind of religion”
    -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: Heaven or Heresy: A History of the Inquisition


    The instincts of the pagan empire would have said “you shall all be Roman citizens and grow alike”
    - G.K Chesterton Orthodoxy



    The state won out. Government has replaced God and people look to it for welfare, education, health, money, rules, morality and anything else they desire. Catholicism and much of Christianity by force was removed from the political sphere and is now a “private” matter forced within the four walls of church buildings. A “personal belief” but not something to guide politics or to be allowed in a public setting. When in the middle ages it was everywhere.

    The thought of God then filled and animated all and it was as the breath of their nostrils in those believing centuries.”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015


    The medieval society... was obsessively dedicated to this faith [Catholicism], almost every feature of daily exsistance being conditioned to its doctrines...in Urban's day, this faith dominated and dictated everyday life to an extent that can seem almost inconceivable to a modern observer.”
    -Thomas Asbridge the First Crusade Oxford university Press 2004


    The fatal separation which consists in isolating the faith from all other knowledge did not exists”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015



    Religion became an individual matter, which meant it would play no institutional role in society.”
    -Bionic Mosquito



    Fundamentally, the western christian church lost its attempt to control civil society. ..In justice as well as government, secular authority emerged as the arbiter, guardian and enforcer of law.. Christendom was dead...political and civil action now rested with secular states”
    -Christopher Tyerman Gods war a new history of the Crusades Harvard U Press Cambridge Mass 2006


    it is no exaggeration to compare the church during the middle ages to the sun, witch illuminates everything”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015



    Within a democracy a short steeping stone to socialism/communism there is not enough room for two Gods. Secularism, naturalism and other atheistic philosophies sought to gain the power of the catholic church of the medieval time period and make it their own. After their success as the winners they wrote the history vilifying the medieval time period and putting themselves in a positive light. When they gained control of government they used education and other avenues to create a secular population that would desire conformity, centralization and expanded government control.

    Your enemy, if your a liberal, is the established powers of the middle ages...and that means first and foremost the monarchy, secondly the catholic church”
    -Professor Thomas F. Madden The Modern Scholar: The Lost Warriors of God The True History of the Knights Templar


    What was a generally accepted belief in Christianity throughout the population began to dissolve in the eighteenth century. Drop the ritual and prayers, ignore the priests and monks. “Wipe out the disgrace!” Voltaire said of the Roman Catholic Church. Voltaire – “the Enlightenment illuminated” according to Schama No more of this God of the Bible; Deism became the religion of “reasonable” men. God did create the universe, but the story of Genesis is a fable. God did set the rules – the laws of science; He has no reason to interfere thereafter. Jesus? Sure, He was a wise and good man; but out with the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection. Man-made ethics would be at the top of the pyramid; the enlightened elite were happy to comply. They would be the “superman,” establishing a “new ethos”: new standards of right and wrong, replacing Christian virtues.... western culture and society were transformed in speed and magnitude perhaps unknown in history: family life broken, careers ended, government allowance in the place of productive work, and a tide of egalitarianism....all intermediating institutions, especially Christianity and the Church, had been stripped of any meaningful role. Each individual was standing naked, to be molded like clay by these progressive, enlightened, “reasonable” intellectuals. Legislation would solve every problem in life. Every need and want would be met, all bestowed via government largesse...man’s liberation from all norms, traditions, and customs; nothing left to provide governance except the state – and a state happy to oblige.What happened to the promise of the Enlightenment? We consider the individual and reason as born in the Enlightenment to be key foundations of liberty. As the meaning of these concepts has been divorced from God, these have actually brought on liberty’s downfall. Without God, the Enlightenment’s liberty is a house built on sand....Meanwhile the state pushes further division – ever-more individualized individuals. The state encourages and subsidizes culture-destroying behavior, as absent governance provided by custom and tradition, governance will be provided by the state. Reason Without God: As the Enlightenment freed our reason from revelation and tradition, the result should be no surprise. Just because your reason has been freed doesn’t mean that the strongman’s reason will leave you alone or that your reason will convince him. As his reason is no longer bound by anything other than his reason, it will not be your reason that governs but his. To what higher authority can you appeal? There is no authority higher than man’s reason, and the strongman’s reason has bigger guns than does your reason..This is what man has given up in the Enlightenment. We have traded Christian morality – and therefore our liberty – for the enlightened super-man’s reasonable right to decide what is moral.
    -Daniel Ajamian the Cost of the Enlightenment
     
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    Middle Ages the age of Self Government -a Christian Decentralized Libertarian Monarchy and Agrarian Society

    a period, about 900 [AD], when there was no empire, no state, and no public authority in the West. The state disappeared, yet society continued. It was discovered that economic life, religious life, law, and private property can all exist and function effectively without a state. … In Rome, in Byzantium, and in Russia, law was regarded as an enactment of a supreme power. In the West, when no supreme power existed, it was discovered that law still existed as the body of rules which govern social life.”
    -Carroll Quigley Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time Jun 1 1975



    by the end of the tenth century the kingdom of France remained a legal and ideological construct, but it's kings exerted little genuine power outside their own family lands. The main political foci were the great counties ruled as autonomous principalities by comital families...contrast mirrored different histories customs and laws. The far south retained a tradition of written law.... there was no uniformity of rules of landowning, judicial systems, weights, measures or currency. A kingdom often in name alone.”
    -Christopher Tyerman Gods war a new history of the Crusades Harvard U Press Cambridge Mass 2006


    Medieval civilization was also decentralized, and it was vast in scale. It was a mosaic of thousands of independent and quasi-independent political units: kingdoms, principalities, dukedoms, bishoprics, papal states, republics, free cities, and tens of thousands of titled manors. The medieval contribution to politics is the idea of a federated polity where various independent political units are held together in a larger realm by compacts and traditional hierarchy.”
    - Donald Livingston The Southern Critique of Centralization



    They stand as monuments to the intense localism of the High Middle Ages, when every man’s country’ was not the kingdom, duchy, or county in which he lived, but his own town or village... Even the law might change from village to village; a thirteenth-century judge pointed out that in the various counties, cities, boroughs, and townships of England he had always to ask what was the local customary law and how it was employed before he could successfully try a case... Davis describes medieval civilization as “firmly rooted. It grew out of the earth, as it were.” The Road from Serfdom “
    -Bionic Mosquito Decentralization Hidden in the dark Ages



    The agrarian western European christian middle ages were the most decentralized libertarian sociaties ever known. There were various forms of monarchies usually hereditary but some were elected by Lords and Bishops, or a mix of both. For example France elected Kings until Hugh Caput in 987 and than started a hereditary monarchy. Lords controlled within their own spheres as did dukes, princes, barons etc and held autonomy.

    It is not possible for him to command them [vassals]...some are more powerful and quit dangerous to him”
    -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: The Medieval World, Part II: Society, Economy, and Culture


    The Kings of France struggled even to control small territory centered around Paris, while the Frankish realm fractured into murmurous dukedoms and counties whose power eclipsed that of the Royal house”
    -Thomas Asbridge the First Crusade Oxford University Press 2004


    They had their own laws/courts as near everything was done by the local village with no influence from the Kings Capital. In describing France in the middle ages medieval scholar Christopher Tyerman said “few of the great princes in France bothered to pay homage and feality to the King” and the vast majority of Frenchmen, their spheres of economic, public and private life operated entirely beyond the reach of necessity of royal influence or power.” and the region of France had anabsence of national instincts.Thomas Asbridge in his book the first crusade described France as a national identity as “endured only in imagination” The greatest power in the middle ages was custom and tradition and these were many and local. These traditions and customs were fixed and could not be altered by any ruler including a King.


    As people came before courts or before judges they would have to declare witch they were and what law they lived under”
    -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: The Medieval World, Part II: Society, Economy, and Culture



    the feudal king was one Lord among other Lords.... the title of King did not signify that his economic or military power was greater than that of some particular vassal....The feudal King possessed none of the attributes reorganized as those of a sovereign power. He could not decree general laws nor collect taxes on the whole of his Kingdom nor levy an army”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    Feudal lords and kings did not typically fulfill the requirements of a state; they could only “tax” with the consent of the taxed, and on his own land every free man was as much a sovereign as the feudal king was on his. Tax payments were voluntary. On his land, each free man was as sovereign as the king. This doesn’t seem so “dark.” Hoppe quotes Robert Nisbet: The subordination of king to law was one of the most important of principles under feudalism. The king was below the law”
    -Bionic Mosquito Decentralization Hidden in the dark Ages


    In the Holy Roman Empire Dukes and Archbishops elected their kings and the states [such as Saxony Swambia Bavaria etc] and had near complete autonomy where they were “dominated by its own Duke.” Often wars such as the Germans into into Poland were funded and controlled by local Lords and Dukes.

    a Europe that contained no nation states in the modern understanding”
    -Christopher Tyerman Gods war a new history of the Crusades Harvard U Press Cambridge Mass 2006


    Only local powers reigned.”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco



    The Horrors of the modern centralized state and mass killings were avoided. Regulations down to the food people eat, the animals they can own, hunt etc were none existent. Kings did not tyrannize their own people but provided protection and enforcement of the laws as a compact and the Lord would in return lend the King help.

    The bonds of feudal lord were more than a son”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015


    Most of the Kings army were men sent from Lords and allies to help the King out of their own free will. The King himself did not own a massive army. If a King went tyrannical, he could easily be resisted.

    The middle ages, when no King had a standing army. But every man had a bow or sword”
    -G.K Chesterton Heretics


    The “divine right of kings” teachings started with protestants in the 17th century never accepted by the catholic church. The Magna Carta of 1215 was written by a mix of nobles and church leaders. Absolute monarchies [such as what the colonies resisted] started after the Renaissance . From Agustin and Aquinas to the church fathers and councils, the catholic church held the biblical doctrine of resistance to tyranny .

    Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God

    It was protestants and the enlightenment who when come into power steadily increase the power of the state weather to absolute monarchies or various republic/democracies.


    ““If to provide itself with a King belongs to the right of a given multitude, it is not unjust that the King be disposed or have his power restricted by that same multitude, becoming a tyarant, he abuses his royal power.”
    -Thomas Aquinas On Kinship


    "This is nonsense [catholic doctrine of divine right of kings]. The Church never endorsed the notion of the divine right of kings. That was first proclaimed by James I of England (1566– 1625), a Protestant after whom the King James Version of the Bible is named. Instead, the Catholic Church always asserted that its authority was greater than that of monarchs. From St Augustine through St Thomas Aquinas, the great Church theologians denied the moral authority of the state and condemned tyrants, warranting their overthrow....in 1215 the English bishops participated in forcing King John to sign the Magna Carta...many ‘Protestant’ monarchs were far more powerful than had been the case in these same kingdoms prior to the Reformations. Indeed, Luther fully supported ‘the development of strong centralized states and absolute monarchies’."
    -Rodney Stark Reformation Myths Five Centuries of Misconceptions and (Some) Misfortunes SPCK Publishing



    then every subject, every section of the people, and even the whole community was free to resist him..whereas today it is an illegal act for the people to resist the government authority, during this period after the fall of Rome the lords had a duty to resist the king who overstepped his authority. ... the act of resistance in and of itself was not considered illegal. It was a duty respected by king and people alike. …
    -Bionic Mosquito Decentralization Hidden in the dark Ages


    The “state” as we think of it today did not exists. Tax were not a regular occurrence and were usually only at various times. Private property was actually your property, not rented from the government [ property tax] and you could do with your property as you pleased as there was no government regulations. Or a mans home was really his castle. Before the second half of the nineteenth century under absolute monarchies tax never rose above 5-8%. In medieval monarchies it was lower. The peasants rights were as good as the kings. “on his own ground.. entitled to hold off the king” To covet another property and to than steal it [democracy] would be seen as sinful in a christian monarchy not raised in a democratic education system.

    All members of society learned to regard the taking and redistribution of another man's property as shameful and immoral.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001



    ...The idea of destroying a village to save it, or abrogating property rights to preserve them, or stealing from one to help another in more need would be quite foreign to the mediaeval mind”
    -Bionic Mosquito Decentralization Hidden in the dark Ages


    state expenditures, as we call them, were thought of in feudal times as the Kings own expenditures. It is somewhat as if a government of our times were expected to cover its ordinary expenditures from the proceeds of state owned industries”-
    -Bertrand De Jouvel Sovereignty quoted in Democracy the God that Failed



    a man of our time cannot conceive the lack of real power which characterized the medieval King, from witch it naturally followed that in order to secure the exaction of a decision he needed to involve the other leaders whose say-so reinforced his own.”
    -Bertrand De Jouvenel



    Medieval kings are pretty weak”
    -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: The Medieval World, Part II: Society, Economy, and Culture



    Agrarian Society


    a feudal society was also essentially a country, rural society”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    The medieval world was also an agrarian society witch saw a drastic increase in farm and food production. With the fall of Rome cities started to empty as people moved to the country. Big cities being unnatural need large scale infrastructure to survive and need large amounts of goods moved from the country into the city to survive witch needs massive government.

    Then we meet the feudal system, and the castle was born.”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015


    The medieval society centered around the castle as the center of culture, protection, civilization, code of honor, court, laws, trade etc in a rural setting surrounded by small farms in no need of cities or urban areas. The agrarian nature went hand in hand with the form of monarchies and the church. Rural monasteries were the center of learning. Monks worked the land and were self sufficient [while making beer and wine] while maintain a place of learning and prayer. In ancient Rome farming was thought the work of slaves. Not until the 16th century during the Renaissance does education moved to urban areas and culture moves towards cities and the origins of the modern state appear.

    Religious and political structures rested on settled agrarian economics and populations” -Christopher Tyerman Gods war a new history of the Crusades Harvard U Press Cambridge Mass 2006

    To see the impact of northern democratic urbanization and industrialization on the southern agrarian society and how hostile the modern state is towards agrarian societies in the American context, see this link.

    I Wish I Was In The land Of Cotton- Southern Agrarian vs Northern Industrialization

    Authentic country life with its rugged spirit of Independence...its traditions, its distrust of modernity, and its self sufficiency, has compete disappeared, and with it, the most robust opposition to all state centralization.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    the authority was able to reside elsewhere than in a city.”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco
     
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    The Winner Writes the History


    It is so easy, in fact, to manipulate history... for a public that is not knowledgeable about it. We have nearly daily evidence of this on television”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    Official” history is always written by its victors I.e from the perspective of the proponents of democracy.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe
    Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001

    Because the winner wrote the history we are fed that the western catholic system of monarchy was not the most decentralized, libertarian, self governing time period. But was instead ruled by tyrant kings who had complete control of the populace. Yet it was the return to centralization under roman law that led to king tyrants during the Renaissance.

    Centralizing power in the extreme, that of the Roman empire.The revival of Roman law brought about legal standardization in the interest of centralized nation states”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    Everywhere men are leaving behind the liberty of the Middle Ages, not to enter into a modern brand of liberty but to return to the ancient despotism; for centralization is nothing else than an up-to-date version of the administration seen in the Roman Empire.”
    -James Madison quoted in Donald Livingston
    The Southern Critique of Centralization

    The revival of Roman law brought about legal standardization in the interest of centralized nation states”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco


    The middle ages are the time period of actual self government and liberty, the “evil” time when centralized governments did not rule and thus they are punished in the winners version of history. To dare set up an extended time period that allowed mankind to live under anything but a centralized dictatorship such as ancient Rome or our modern times, receives wrath from statist today and must be made to vanish from people mind and only be remembered as the worst of sins. As it was the middle ages that

    The idea of authority faded away, the notion of centralization was wiped out. The power declined into the hands of numerous petty sovereigns”
    -Leon Gautier Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight Tumblar House 2015


    Instead of acts of defense against Muslims aggressors for the purpose of saving their own lives and culture and persecuted Christians in lands taken by Islam, the crusades were violent unjust acts of aggression against peaceful Muslims and early colonialism led by brutal Lords and Kings and catholic bishops. The Jewish ghetto's were not area given Jews to fully observe the Torah and self govern themselves but instead examples of bigotry discrimination intolerance and segregation. The Inquisitions were not done to prevent wrongful accusations and save lives but were a tyrannical force of a mad church sent to burn innocent people at the stake. And on and on. Overall the medieval monarchist time period was the “dark ages” violent, backwards, tyrannical, and one would not wish to repete those time periods so be glad our savior democracy is here. Democracy has not been the most tyrannical time period, nor caused the most wars and death, nor moral decay, and the destruction of family unit and culture. No it has enlightened us, given us peace, progress, liberty, better health , longer lives, advancements and economic gains. The single greatest thing to happen to mankind. Democracy. Besides, if we did not bash other cultures that differ from us who cant defend themselves it would deprive us moderns of the aristocratic pleasure of despising earlier medievalist.

    "The first step in liquidating a people is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its history. Then have somebody write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history"
    -Milan Hubl, Czek communist


    If you can cut the people off from their history, then they can be easily persuaded.”
    -Karl Marx



    Can Liberty and Decentralization be Preserved in any System That has a Form of Democracy?

    Rather than a democracy [US] they advocated an aristocratic republic.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001


    The natural aristocracy.... as the most precious gift of nature for the instructor, the trusts and government of society... that for of government is best, which provides most effective for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government”
    -Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Addams quoted in Democracy the God that Failed


    I am an aristocrat, I love liberty, I hate equality.”
    -John Rabndolf of Roanoke


    Even the antebellum United States which was a decentralized constitutional republic [see article 4 section 4 of constitution] with multiple barriers to centralization such as separation of powers, checks and balances, along with its founders and a populace who hated democracy and centralization. Yet had a form of democracy with aristocratic elections [male land owners with other limitations depending on state] ever maintained for a time a form of government similar to the medieval, decentralized, chivalric, aristocratic, libertarian, political system of monarchy.

    “Before there was any New England in the North, there was something very like Old England in the South.”
    – G. K. Chesterton

    We need the Southern gentleman more than the English or French or Spanish gentleman. For the aristocrat of Old Dixie...That combination of ideal democracy [limited republic decentralization] with real chivalry was a particular blend for which the world was immeasurably the better; and for the loss of which it is immeasurably the worse. It may never be recovered; but it will certainly be missed.”
    -G.K Chesterton Come to Think of It; Chapter 36; 1930

    “Old England can still be faintly traced in Old Dixie. It contains some of the best things that England herself has had, and therefore (of course) the things that England herself has lost, or is trying to lose.… England once sympathised with the South. The South still sympathises with England.”
    -G.K Chesterton


    Some of the founders were monarchist like Alexander Hamilton and Robert Morris. But espically in the south was the memory of the medieval society still relevant, and was defended by the confederate states of America witch was destroyed during the civil war. The Vatican was the only country to recognize the confederacy. The south was also admired by old time catholic conservative like Chesterton. And Catholicism played a larger role in the south than the north and was more accepted agreeing on chivalry, honor etc both felt more similarities than to the north. Southern leaders like Calhoun condemned northern anti-catholic acts.

    Catholicism was a part of the southern religious experience, not an exception to it”
    -Adam Tate Catholics' Lost Cause: South Carolina Catholics and the American South
    University of Notre Dame Press 2018


    One factor that may have accounted for the relatively peaceful accommodation of religious pluralism in the South is what the Southern man of letters, Richard Weaver, termed “the older religiousness of the South.” Weaver observed, “For although the South was heavily Protestant, its attitude toward religion was essentially the attitude of orthodoxy.” Plural in denominations, evangelical in its dominant mode, but orthodox in belief may have created the conditions friendly toward religious tolerance. This was but one aspect of what Weaver viewed as the South’s “medieval heritages.” Interestingly, it was not uncommon for some Protestant ministers of the antebellum period to have a copy of Saint Thomas Aquinas’s Summa Theologiae in their library, or for a Protestant family to have a copy of Thomas a Kempis’s, Imitation of Christ or some other Catholic devotional or two on the library shelf.”
    -John Devanny Where the Grapes of Wrath are Stored


    the Catholic influence in American society was much stronger in the less populous South than in the North at the time of the war.....in the South. In a region where family mattered, numerous leading families were Catholic....Many leading Southern families that were not Catholic had members who were. An example would be the Lees of Virginia from whom was sprung the Confederacy’s Gen. Robert E. Lee. A nephew of his was the founding pastor of the Cathedral of St. Matthew in Washington, D.C. ..they tended to have a high regard and deep respect for the Church and her institutions, especially her schools. It was very common for these families to send their children to them simply because that is where the best education was to be had. An example in this regard is Jefferson Davis himself, the eventual President of the C.S.A. His father sent him as a boy to Kentucky to be schooled by Dominicans.In contrast, Davis embraced a form of Episcopalianism adhered to by many leading Southerners that was very “High Church,” very “Catholic” in its externals The Old South, Tate shows, had the only truly European civilization ever known in America. That is in the sense that it was a civilization rooted in its own soil. It was one that produced men who measured their success in life according to non-material standards, perhaps the chief of them being honor. It was an agricultural civilization, and a hierarchical one. That by itself was enough to make Pius or even most ordinary Catholics of the day sympathetic to the South. Certainly the Catholic Bishops of the South were sympathetic. There is no record of any failing to support the Confederacy.”
    -Gary Potter Catholicism and the old South


    “historians have generally argued that Vatican and papal sympathies leaned toward the Confederacy.... “the natural conclusion one would draw from the predominance of communication between Richmond and Rome is that Pius IX sympathized with the Southern cause.” ”
    -FR. Charles Connor Faith and fury the rise of Catholicism During the Civil war Ewnt Publishing 2019


    Catholics and southern conservatives viewed the north as locus of American radicalism and took refuge in Jeffersonian conceptions of both the union and Constitution”
    -Adam Tate Catholics' Lost Cause: South Carolina Catholics and the American South
    University of Notre Dame Press 2018


    The south honored knights, medieval chivalry, the midden ages, agrarian lifestyle, war heroes, the old testament, and some in the south called for a monarchy during secession. Later some wanted Lee to be king. The civil war destroyed that republic and turned the U.S into a centralized form of democracy, a system of government the founders hated.

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    The American colonies rightly resisted the renaissance effects on European monarchies increased power and centralization such as of the crown of England. As monarchies were leaving behind the Feudal medieval system and becoming absolute monarchies. In fact Catholics in the united states supported the revolution at higher % than did protestants. Yet the Americans saw the monarchy system as failed and tried the best attempt yet seen at preserving liberty outside of the medieval monarchy system. Yet within twenty five years this new form had already surpassed even the absolute monarch they resisted.

    Twenty -five years after the revolution they were in far worse condition as free states than the government was more expensive, more inefficient, more dishonest, and more tyrannical.”
    -H.L Mencken A Mencken Chrestomathy



    Some United States Founders Thought on Democracy

    D]emocracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention;have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property;and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.
    - James Madison


    [T]he experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived."
    - John Quincy Adams


    "[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy; such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit, and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable [abominable] cruelty of one or a very few."
    - John Adams


    Turbulence, violence, and abuse of power by the majority trampling on the rights of the minority have produced factions and commotions which in republics have, more frequently than any other cause, produced despotism. If we go over the whole history of ancient and modern republics, we shall find their destruction to have generally resulted from these causes.”
    -James Madison Virginia Convention of 1788


    Even the founding fathers of the U.S, nowadays considered the model of a democracy, were strictly opposed to it. Without a single exception, they thought of democracy as nothing but mob rule.”
    -
    Hans-Hermann Hoppe Professor Emeritus of Economics at UNLV, Distinguished Senior Fellow with the Mises Institute, founder and president of The Property and Freedom Society

    Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
    -John Adams


    "In democracy . . . there are commonly tumults and disorders. . . . Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth."
    - Noah Webster
     
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