No more social security.

Discussion in 'Social Security' started by RadicalRevolutionary, Mar 6, 2016.

  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    As would a solid and dependable family.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Not my problem if you cannot handle the documented factual reality that Social Security is a federal insurance program similar to workers compensation and Medicare.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    What if they all die in a mass shooting?
     
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    No, obviously not your problem, and never will be. I can tell you the answers, I can prove the answers, but I can't force you to understand the answers.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    You haven't proven SQUAT!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/cather...ecurity-past-present-and-future/#36ed830e59ab

     
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  6. Adfundum

    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    Ha! They're in the same situation.
     
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    It's a tax. Deal with it.
     
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    Yes, that is a very big problem for most of us. And if you're one of those rare cases in which the entire family isn't killed in a mass shooting, they could all contract Ebola.
     
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    But are they all trying to live separate lives, in separate homes, with separate expenses, on tiny incomes? If yes .. there's the problem.
     
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    Kneejerk denialism does not alter factual reality!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So now you are advocating that the poor must be forced to share tiny apartments all crammed together?
     
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    If I had to live in a single home with extended family, there would be a bigger problem. To not spread out, to not take advantage of opportunities elsewhere in order to live like hunter-gatherers crammed into the same dwelling would be a misery beyond my comprehension.
     
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    You are right, so why do you keep doing it?
     
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    Interesting. A number of cultures actually go out of their way to have multi-generational homes.... children not being sent to day care (expense, risk and influence) but being cared for by other family members. A better understanding of family values, and the ability to function as a unit. You'll also note, that Asians, whose culture does tend for the multi-generational household, also have stronger family ties, and better SATs... https://www.brookings.edu/research/...hlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/

    I understand some people may not be inclined, but I will offer up one small piece of opinion - would you rather have 'elbow room', or the strength of a family unit?
     
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    Definitely elbow room. The culture I grew up in did not include extended family. We moved frequently and rarely had any interaction with other family, in part because family members were scattered all over the country. We do get together sporadically, like when there is a death in the family, but usually don't get together just to see each other. I'm heading out to see my mother for Christmas. I haven't seen her in over a year and it's more than 2000 miles from my place to hers. My two sons live over a 1000 miles away. It's in the blood.
     
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    Fair enough.
    My immediate family has whittled down to 4 people, but lots and lots of cousins. We gather every two or three years for a 4 day reunion, and sometimes in between for things like weddings and funerals. 4 days is usually enough, lol, but previously had been prepared to have my Dad live with us, but in his own 'apartment'. You adjust when you need to.

    Enjoy your time with your Mom.
     
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    I suggest this legally require the family support elderly and disabled and unable to work family members this must cover housing, support and other essentials and it would encourage couples having bigger families treating it as we do child support with the same legal penalties for refusing.
     
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    :roflol:

    Projection duly noted FTR!
     
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    How old are you?
     
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    Forced? Why would that be necessary?How very odd.

    We all get to choose our way in a democracy, in case you were unsure of how it worked. We can choose to do the 'independent' thing and stay poor, or we can team up with family etc to cut costs, and help ourselves escape poverty.

    FTR, 'tiny apartment' is relative. To the average person in Hong Kong, your 'tiny apartment' would be vast. And many families share with a grandparent or two. Six people can live happily in a 600sq foot apartment, with kitchens the size of a broom closet and one bathroom. So it's you who is unreasonable .. by suggesting that Americans are so special that they shouldn't have to do anything to improve their circumstances.
     
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    But that's a clear choice, no? That's my point. It's a CHOICE. If we're on a minimum wage, we either share and secure our finances, or we take our chances independently.

    How any given family has evolved is beside the point. Families who take sharing seriously also take harmonious and civil relations seriously, obviously. Since they have to live together, and all. Migrants do it all the time, and it works very well for them.
     
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    Yes, that's often the key. When money is not the issue for the primary residence owner, better use of floorplan is called for. Re-jigging rooms etc to give each 'grouping' a private space. The average American home is big enough to house several families, given what I see on TV (young couples with no kids buying houses with 5 bedrooms, two storeys, three car garage, and a basement :eek: ), so it should be easy.
     
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    I get your point. It's just that the "migrant method" is not at all agreeable for most folks over here.
     
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    Which is a big part of the problem. The migrants willing to do this stuff are the ones who've mastered the art of survival (and very often, the art of flourishing). We are quite ridiculous ... demanding housing we can't afford, then getting angry with the world when it keeps us poor.

    Coincidentally, it's almost always those who bleat about 'the poor' who are the least in favour of such teamwork. That some actually call themselves "socialists" is hilarious.
     
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    That explains ALL of your MISCONCEPTIONS about America!
     
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