Operation Warp Speed's success – this is the lesson we must learn as we work for common good

another diversion to try and defend diaper Donald’s failures noted

 

Trump is not an intellectual equivalent to the developers. If the government was not involved in the development, why is Trump taking all the credit and calling himself the father of the vaccine?

 

Because their was NOTHING in the COVID bill (CARES ACT) that awards ANYTHING to Operation Warp Speed. The Trump administration DIVERTED $10 billion from the Provider Relief Fund intended for healthcare providers and facilities that was to reimburse providers for expenses of lost revenues attributable to COVID-19.

That money was diverted to:
the Department of Health and Human Services,
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
Food and Drug Administration,
the National Institutes of Health,
the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA);
the Department of Defense;
the Department of Agriculture,
the Department of Energy,
the Department of Veterans Affairs
and private firms

That were involved in administering Operation Warp speed to cut red tape and allow vaccine manufactures to provide a vaccine in the fastest time in history.

 

Did the bicycle repairmen call themselves the father of the jet engine or F-16?

 

feel free to tell us what you think warp speed is

placing an order for the vaccine does not give credit to Trump for the creation of the vaccine

 

Its your claim, you tell me

 

I will give Trump credit for the getting the vaccines emergency approval under his watch, but that does not mean trump created the vaccines or gets any credit for that, and he is definitely not the father of the vaccine

 

Not so fast there FreshAir, First things first. You claimed Pfiser wasn't part of Operation warp speed.
Now you found out you didn't know what you were talking about.

Then I asked you to tell us what you thought Operation Warp speed is and I guaranteed you couldn't do it.
So since you didn't have a clue about Pfiser, you are now admitting you don't actually know what Operation Warp speed is.

If thats the case I would be more than happy to educate you again. Its obvious you don't know as you claim its some program everyone is supposed to belong too.

So whats your answer? You going to tell us about this program you claim exist or do you want me too>

 

I didn't make any claims about bicycle repairmen

 

even Trump admitted they were not a part of Operation Warp Speed, are you calling Trump a liar?

feel free to tell us what you think Operation Warp Speed was

 

That will depend on the results, won't it. If the vaccine is a failure and people start dying from it he will get plenty of credit for the vaccine.
But quietly siphoning off 10 billion from the CARES act and creating a task force to provide the fastest turn around time in history of mankind for a vaccine does give him unique bragging rights.

 

Wrong. Operation warspeed was initially funded with $10 billion from the the Cares Act.

https://www.gao.gov/coronavirus

It was only after money started drying up did funds from hospitals get diverted.

 

You didn't know Orville and Wilber were bicycle repairmen?

 

We aren't talking about Trump. We are talking about you. I don't care what you think Trump said.
You claimed Pfiser wasn't a part of OWS and I provided you with the information on the contract with OWS.

You going to hide behind Trump now? Did you and Trump finally come together? You now a Trump supporter because you and Trump think alike?

And just for kicks, Trump never said that. What he stated was Pfiser wasn't giving up their rights to the vaccine by taking federal money. Usually when the federal government provides (X) they claim rights to the finished product. Trump didn't force Pfiser to do that.

I already did that. Now its evident you have been posting garbage responses without even reading the provisions given to you as I posted it DIRECTLY to you.

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Did Orville design the F16?

 

he will still get credit for getting the vaccines emergency approval under his watch, but if one turned out to be a failure, yes, he would get credit for approving a failure too

if you take credit for getting the approvals done faster, then you have to take responsibility for the good and the bad of that outcome

 

UK wanted to be first

TRUMP wanted to be first

EU criticized UK for wanting to be first

TRUMP criticized the FDA because he wasn't First

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EU criticises 'hasty' UK approval of COVID-19 vaccine

The move to grant emergency authorisation to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine has been seen by many as a political coup for UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who has led his country out of the EU and faced criticism for his handling of the pandemic.

The decision was made under an ultra-fast, emergency approval process, which allowed the British drugs regulator to temporarily authorise the vaccine only 10 days after it began examining data from large-scale trials.

In an unusually blunt statement, the European Medicines Agency (EMA), which is in charge of approving COVID-19 vaccines for the EU, said its longer approval procedure was more appropriate as it was based on more evidence and required more checks than the emergency procedure chosen by Britain.

The agency said on Tuesday it would decide by Dec. 29 whether to provisionally authorise the vaccine from U.S. drugmaker Pfizer Inc and its German partner BioNTech SE .

A spokesman for the European Commission, the EU executive, said the EMA’s procedure was “the most effective regulatory mechanism to grant all EU citizens’ access to a safe and effective vaccine,” as it was based on more evidence.

Pfizer UK Country Manager Ben Osborn said, “We have provided complete data packages, the unblinded data, to both regulators. I think what you’re seeing is just the difference in the underlying process and timelines, as opposed to any difference in data submission.”

June Raine, the head of Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), said, “The way in which the MHRA has worked is equivalent to all international standards.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-eu-idUSKBN28C1B9

 

we are talking about warp speed, not me

Pfizer was not a part of Operation Warp Speed, that is just a fact

 

if Trump supporters think Trump is the father of the vaccine, why are they so afraid to get it? oh, never mind, I get it now - lol

 

Then stop trying to bring Trump into it to cover for your own mistakes

Nobody was a part of warp speed which means you are clueless in your provision. Yet Pfiser contracted with OWS. go figure

 

You want me to argue your own claim?
You made the claim that any mechanical or structural defect in the design of a plane, Orville would certainly be responsible.
Sorry, I'm not here to make your point

 

Oh really. Then you should have no problem in providing such provision in the Cares act.

Just WOW. You really have no clue, do you.
Show us this provision in the Cares act where ANY money was provided for OWS.
GURANTEED YOU WON'T

 

I guess that would make every Democrat who takes it a new Trump supporter?

Again, you are just spewing leftist media tripe. 48% of Conservatives support the vaccine vs 51% of Liberals.
Get off the CNN train. It isn't helping you in these forums at all.

Examples:
You thought OWS was a program vaccine manufactures would sign up for
You thought Pfiser didn't participate in OWS
Where do you get this information from?

 

ARE THERE ANY CLINICAL TRIAL EXPERTS IN THIS THREAD?

Condor?

FACT; Both Pfizer and Moderna Phase 3 started at the same time, Jul 27, 2020

Moderna......Monday, July 27, 2020.........Phase 3 clinical trial of investigational vaccine for COVID-19 begins
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...trial-investigational-vaccine-covid-19-begins

Pfizer..........The Phase 3 clinical trial of BNT162b2 began on July 27
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ntech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine


HOWEVER, in the U.S., Pfizer concluded its Phase 3 approx. two weeks before Moderna?????????


Mordena..........Nov 30, 2020.......Moderna announced the primary efficacy analysis of the Phase 3 COVE study and filed for an Emergency Use Authorization with the U.S. FDA.

https://www.modernatx.com/modernas-work-potential-vaccine-against-covid-19

Pfiser...............Nov 18, 2020.......PFIZER AND BIONTECH CONCLUDE PHASE 3 STUDY OF COVID-19 VACCINE CANDIDATE, MEETING ALL PRIMARY EFFICACY ENDPOINTS
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ntech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

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HOWEVER, in the U.S., Pfizer concluded its Phase 3 approx. two weeks before Moderna?????????

WHY?

Were they faster and more efficient than Operation Warp Speed?

Perhaps big biceps Trump gave them an utimatum?

 

if nobody was a part of warp speed, then what the heck are you arguing with me for?