Not really, as the surrogate example shows. Who produces the egg is actually irrelevant. Where the resultant ZEF is gestating is what is relevant. Granted, the odds are likely that it will gestate in the same body that produced the egg, but not always, and that is why the producer isn't as important as the gestator.
Don't have to counter your positive clamps with anything do you have to support them so far you haven't. It is not my burden to prove you wrong.
Indeed, I have supported it. Your lack of acceptance does not eliminate the fact that PP offers multiple choices, either in direct services, or referral to another. If there was only one choice then each and every woman entering a PP facility would be getting an abortion. Such is not the case. You have been proven wrong that there is only one option, and you have consistently failed to support, or even attempt to support, your own claim. And since yours was the initial assertion, it was my burden to prove you wrong. Which I did with evidence.
With propaganda from an organization that has committed the worst genocide ever. That's not proof of anything but your politics.
It's a list of services offered. At this point, you have to prove that they do not actually offer all those services. You can't really twist "we offer prenatal care services" too many way.
I doubt they really do those services Make me. Lol an organization that killed 55 million people cares...
You can doubt all you want, but you still offer no support of your position. While I would agree that PP would be a biased source for supporting whether or not aborted ZEF's feel anything or not, or anything towards such arguments, a straight up what services they offer is not subject to bias.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I get what you're saying but everyone has a right to bodily autonomy....and it's not based on egg production. Abortion is "based" on what?
you mean someone's 'wants' to force another to bring a baby into this world and risk their life and limbs to do it
Blindly believes that PP only offers one option; yeah, you've made it very clear that you blindly believe with no evidence to back it up.
almost every women alive has had at least one natural abortion, if not lots more medically assisted abortions are rarer
Already done so. So ball is in your court. I provided the evidence that PP offers more than one choice when it comes to pregnancy. Your doubt does nothing to disprove that.
In your opinion perhaps. I disagree with you opinion, so it's back in your court. You didn't provide me with the number of babies they delivered.
You can disagree all you want, but you still are not providing a counter, not even one that shows what I presented is opinion and not fact. Claiming it to be opinion is still only a claim. They have to deliver babies for women to have a choice as to what they are going to do after finding out they are pregnant? Very well, using that logic, then adoption agencies don't provide women with a choice either.
Of course you don't have to, but if you are not going to bother to actually debate and counter points, then, as you noted earlier, why continue to respond? For me, I'm attempting to elicit an actual supported argument out of you. What is your point in continuing to respond?
Being against the woman's right to choice is being pro-force. Modern science has provided us the safe methods to avoid many conditions that nature would otherwise impose. It is for intelligence to use our choice intelligently. Abortion, reasonably, would be something to avoid. Prohibiting it must be avoided.
Pro-life is about being anti-force, i.e. the woman should not be able to force her will onto the fetus... My goodness, we have special protections for minorities and LBGT people, should we not also have protections for the unborn?
Gotta admire your persistence since you 've been told and shown hundreds of times that YES the woman can do what she wants with her own body since a fetus has no rights AND YOU HAVE NEVER PROVEN THEY DO. Pro-"Life" is ALL and ONLY about FORCING women to gestate. I've asked you many times to look up the definitions of "born" and "unborn" but I guess you must think they're the same word??? BTW, we DO have protections for the unborn...elective abortion after viability is illegal.
