Professional Hacker Reveals How Car Industry Spies on Drivers

news flash, it's a bi-partisan effort, although it is the dnc that secretly pushes for it, they are afterall, friendly with walstreet...

nice try though to blame only the gop...

 

too late for that, all your/our info has been 'out there' for decades, once it's there, no way to recover it, nor stop the spread of it... ever sign up for a store shopper card, a bj's/costco/price club membership? everything you ever purchased has been logged & mined/sold along with name/address & any other info you divulged to them... the digital age just made it easier & cost effective to retain it all...
tos/privacy policies are bogus 'feels good' bs...

 

The GOP initiated the Contract ON America and the Dems were duped into supporting it.

 

What are you talking about ? Of course the Establishment (Red and Blue) abused the process in the enactment of the Patriot Act - that was the first step in the process in enabling the domestic surveillance state.

What are you talking about ? I am calling out the Obama Admin for what they did - not making excuses.

What part of - "Blue Establishment is enabling the domestic surveillance state" - is not crystal clear from my post ?

 

I have never stated that the "Deep State" is some organization ( like some Cabal or Star Chamber) that controls everything - never mind this organization being "illuminati" or some ridiculous thing relating to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

So the above is a big pile of steaming strawman fallacy

 

Your own words...

Your utterly bogus allegation that the Establishment is the "deep state" was DEBUNKED!

You have not refuted that FACT!

 

How did you debunked my claim that the Establishment is the "Deep State" ? You are talking nonsense.

 

Try reading what I actually posted instead of just hyperventilating about what I did NOT post.

 

Now you are projecting your issues on to me. You are the one hyperventilating and not reading what I post.

Your utterly bogus allegation that the Establishment is the "deep state" was DEBUNKED!

You are the one hyperventilating over my claim that the Establishment is referred to as the deep state (Above)

You made the above claim.

I merely stated that you have not supported your claim - as you have not debunked the claim that the Establishment is often referred to as the Deep State.

Projection and fallacious nonsense is all you have offered thus far.

 

Another meaningless kneejerk response sans substance!

The ONUS is entirely on YOU to PROVE that the Establishment is YOUR imaginary "Deep State".

So far all you have done is to make that utterly bogus allegation and then responded with a hissyfit strawman falsely alleging something that I NEVER posted.

Try reading the ACTUAL CONTENT of what I posted BEFORE posting yet another kneejerk reaction.

 

I was referring to using a bogus piece of opposition research from a foreign agent to obtain FISA warrants to spy on Trump's campaign. The only thing missing is Halderman, Denn and Liddy.

 

This is the first time you have asked for "Proof" that the Establishment is the "Deep State" - and in fact you were the one that brought up the term. A nebulous term that you did not define.

You then go on to accuse me of a belief in some imaginary "Deep State" of your own creation - a term you have yet to even define

I merely stated the phrase Establishment also known as - Deep State ...

It is true that any refer to the Establishment as the "Deep State". Next thing I know you are twirling around ranting and raving about some conspiracy theory and accusing me of imaginary things that you have not defined - and then projecting your deficiencies onto me.

Mind bending loopy doopy land.

1) How is the above allegation "utterly bogus" ?
2) it is you that threw the hissyfit and built a strawman.
3) what is it that you were falsely accused of ?

More loopy doopy land.

 

We are on different pages . I agree with you with respect to the abuse of the FISA process in this disturbing witch hunt.

 

Utterly WRONG!

I mentioned the "imaginary deep state" in #10 above which DEFINES the "deep state" as being IMAGINARY! How difficult is it to grasp the concept of IMAGINARY? Do I have to EXPLAIN what it means?

Another utterly bogus CANARD since I never accused you of anything of the sort. Obviously you don't appear to be capable of reading what is ACTUALLY POSTED instead of what YOU fallaciously BELIEVE was posted.

A nebulous allegation that you have FAILED to substantiate.

Wrong! You are ALLEGING that to be "true" but you have NEVER substantiated it!

Ironic PROJECTION duly noted FTR and ignored for DEROGATORY reasons.

Refer to previous answers and FACTS stated above.

Another ad hom VIOLATING the PF Rules duly noted and also ignored for derogatory reasons.

 

Your just lost in your own dream world of strawman fallacy and projection. . You accused me of believing in some imaginary deep state - and then tried to build on this loopy strawman.

When I told you that the deep state is defined by many as the Establishment - you went on a demonization rant.

You cry "Utterly Wrong" - and yet this is exactly what you did. You went on to rant about some conspiracy using terms like "illuminati and protocols of Zion".

How does this loopy definition of "deep state" relate in any way to my inference that the Establishment is referred to as the deep state by many ?

When I ask you for further clarification - you tell me it is up to me to define what you meant by "deep state"

You are lost.

 

Ranting screed response with ZERO SUBSTANCE that ABJECTLY FAILS to address any of the RELEVANT points duly noted FTR and ignored for obvious reasons.

Have a nice day!

 

You are projecting again Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

Help can be found here: https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/projection

 

Oh, the IRONY!

 

You have been reduced to cartoons - and murmuring gibberish - completely unable to address the topic.

You were called out on an unwarranted attack - and the creation of a big strawman fallacy - and have been digging your hole deeper ever since

 

You made an utterly BOGUS ALLEGATION that you FAILED to substantiate!

What is now even more HILARIOUS is that you have DEBUNKED your own BOGUS allegations in another thread!

Here are your BOGUS allegations in THIS thread;

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...pies-on-drivers.566150/page-2#post-1071296638

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...pies-on-drivers.566150/page-3#post-1071300742

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...pies-on-drivers.566150/page-3#post-1071300783

And here is YOUR own statement DEBUNKING your own BOGUS allegation in another thread;

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...e-lose-in-2020.564729/page-16#post-1071301687

Great job destroying your own credibility again! You must be so proud of yourself!



However you are incapable of ever admitting that you have just PROVEN YOURSELF WRONG even with the DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of YOUR OWN WORDS right here in this post!

Why is that?

 

You have lost it.

Not sure how the deep state fits into this conversation but - your claim that the Establishment (aka - deep state) does not exist is preposterous nonsense.

First thing to notice is that it was you who brought up the deep state into a conversation in which it did not even belong. I then respond to your off topic claim by telling you

1) The Establishment viewed by many as the "Deep State" and
2) that your claim that the Establishment does not exist is preposterous nonsense.

At this point you went into a tizzy - accusing me of all kinds of sins - building a big strawman.

I tried to substantiate asking you to define what you mean by "deep state" - you refused - and told me to give a definition.

I then told you that the definition was already given - See 1.

And that is as far as the conversation got... you were too busy with Ad Hom and Strawman fallacy.

Since you won't give a definition - I have no clue what you are talking about by deep state. You blubbered something about "illuminati and "Protocols of Zion" in an analogous way.

The "deep state" is the Establishment by my definition - and I stated this up front -

Your claim that the "Establishment" is bogus - "doesn't exist" - is preposterous nonsense.

If this is not your claim - then clarify and give what your definition of "deep state" is.

The rest of your post can be summed up by gibberish and Projection - demonstrated previously in this convo - a number of times.

 

IRONIC PROJECTION that the following CANARDS in your content will now establish to be the case!

Example #1 of you "losing it"!

That is YOUR fallacious allegation that the Establishment is the same thing as the IMAGINARY "deep state", NOT mine!

Example #2 of you "losing it"!

The OP topic is about SPYING on people using technology. Your FAILURE to comprehend that that I was making a COMPARISON between Corporate Spying and Government Spying is definitely an EXAMPLE!

Example #3 of you "losing it"!

You were given MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES to substantiate your BOGUS allegation and you utterly FAILED to do do so even once!

What is MORE you even DEBUNKED your own bogus allegation in a post in another thread!

Example #4 of you "losing it" goes ABOVE and BEYOND to having complete LOST IT!

That is yet another BIZARRE STRAWMAN of your own making without any shred of substance!

NOWHERE have I ever made any such claim about the Establishment "not existing"!

I DEFY you to provide any post of mine where I have done so!

Example #5 of you "losing it"!

You just posted YET ANOTHER asinine strawman so you must be "sinning" again!

Example #6 of you "losing it"!

REWRITING history NOW?

I EXPOSED the FALLACY of the IMAGINARY "deep state in #46 above.

You subsequently PRETENDED in #59 above that I hadn't done so and then I called you out to ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIATE your BS that the Establishment was "AKA the deep state" since you had NOT even attempted to substantiate your bovine excrement allegation (and still have NEVER done so).

Example #7 of you "losing it"!

Since your OPINION is NOT a "definition" you had done NOTHING of the SORT.

Example #7 of you "losing it"!

It was YOU, and YOU ALONE, that engaged in BOTH fallacious STRAWMEN and puerile AD HOMS!

Example #8 of you "losing it"!

The IMAGINARY "deep state" is nothing more than absurd extremist rightwing FEARMONGERING disinformation as I established in #46 above that you have NEVER REFUTED!

Example #9 of you "losing it"!

Your OPINION that you have FAILED to SUBSTANTIATE is NOT a "definition"!

Example #10 of you "losing it"!

Another EXAMPLE of your STRAWMAN FALLACIES!

Once AGAIN I have NEVER made any such claim!

The ONUS is ENTIRELY on YOU to PROVE your bovine excrement STRAWMAN fallacy!

Example #11 of you "losing it"!

For the UMPTEENTH TIME try READING what I actually WROTE in post #46 above!

Example #12 of you "losing it"!

Only one of us is posting "gibberish" and it isn't me!

 

Dude - your claim that the claim "The Establishment is the Deep State - by my definition"

Is an example of someone "Losing it" - is ridiculous. You are the one losing it and projecting your issues onto others.

You then repeating your claim over an over - 7 times in one post - That is "losing it"

 

Good thing I don't drive a Chevy or any other model from 'Government Motors' or that other insipid brand that should have died in 2009.