Question For John Atheist: Don't You Want To Remember Your Good Deeds Forever?

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  1. JAG*

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    JAG Writes:
    ~ Regarding John Atheist ~
    ~ Introductory Remarks ~

    John Atheist,
    You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
    for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
    You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
    you most likely have.
    You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
    others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
    you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
    But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
    cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
    about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.

    A Monument To John Atheist
    by JAG
    Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
    were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
    a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
    that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
    grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
    for 500 years.

    That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
    long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
    John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000

    If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
    term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
    heroically to save the lives of other human beings.

    If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
    NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
    had become this 00000.

    So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
    tools to arrive at what really matters.
    John 3:16
    {1) believe and get Eternal Life
    {2} refuse to believe and "perish"

    John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,

    Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
    matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
    that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
    other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
    billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
    It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.

    Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
    Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
    And remembered forever by large numbers of
    people that YOU had personally helped by living a
    noble heroic life?

    Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
    your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
    and will never be remembered by you?

    JAG
     
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    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lots of fantastical things appeal to me. I'm a fan of fantasy fiction That doesn't mean I am going to believe in magic and unicorns.
     
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    Believing in eternal bliss on the grounds of it sounding so good hits me as the ultimate in self delusion.

    And, then you switch to self pride as if THAT was a reason to believe there is a God!!!

    I suspect you need to examine your own faith.

    If either of those characteristics play into your decision, you are sinking in quicksand.
     
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    Do your very best to overcome and defeat how it "hits" you.

    Your belief that it does not matter that you will end up as plant food
    or a worm farm and that will be the end of you, is the ultimate
    example of true self delusion.


    No. You are once again wrong.
    This is a good motive:
    "Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
    matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
    that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
    other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
    billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
    It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER."___JAG

    Heroism ought to be celebrated. Americans celebrate heroism
    all the time, and rightly so.

    On your atheistic lights, you have the same ultimate destiny as
    does a Roach and a Bug. .And a house plant. There is no heroic
    remembrance in ending up with the same identical ultimate destiny
    as a Bug.

    Heroic remembrance is a good thing and has nothing to do with "self pride"

    Your suspicions are totally ungrounded.
    By the way, your Faith is healthy and strong. If we had a list of all the
    stuff that you believe to be true that you can not demonstrate true
    with Empiricism, you could come to be known as the Right Reverend
    WillReadMore a man of the cloth and a man of faith.

    No.
    Rather on the solid rock I stand.

    JAG

    PS
    Thanks for the bright cheerful up-lifting comments. You really know
    how to "brighten up a room."


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    Good stuff.

    Don't blame you.
    That wouldn't be good for you.
    But this would be a good thing for you:
    "Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
    matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
    that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
    other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
    billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
    It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER."___JAG

    ___________

    Maybe later on , , ,

    JAG

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    So, you are appealing to vanity.
     
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    No, I think if BleedingHeadKen risked his life to save 3000
    people that were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing
    you lost a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them, I think
    that kind of heroics would be something worth celebrating in
    Eternity.

    BleedingHeadKen now has Eternal Life , , , ,

    Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
    matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
    that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
    other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
    billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
    It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.

    Your story would FOREVER inspire others to follow your example.
    We do not know that heroics will not be needed in Eternity. At least
    the "spirit of heroics."

    Best.

    JAG
     
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    "Heroic rememberance" is purely Earthly in Christianity.

    It has no place in describing anything about the hereafter you dream of.

    You are confusing yourself.
     
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    If you get an email saying that a Nigerian prince wants to funnel millions of dollars through your bank account, and that all you need to give him is your bank details, and he'll leave you a big percentage of the money, would you take it? Would that not appeal to you?

    Do you see in the example above that the amount of appeal is irrelevant if it doesn't fulfil certain criteria of credibility? Indeed, if something is not credible, it quickly moves into too-good-to-be-true territory.
     
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    There is no heroic remembrance on your atheism.
    On your atheistic lights, you have the same ultimate destiny as
    does a Roach and a Bug and a House Plant, which destiny is
    oblivion as in ceasing to exist.
    There is no heroic remembrance
    in ending up with the same identical ultimate destiny as a Bug.

    You have a "Bug Religion." , , , Atheism is a Bug Religion.
    On your atheistic religion you have nothing to look forward to
    after General Time and General Death squashes you like
    a Road Kill or like you would squash a Bug in your kitchen
    with a fly swatter.

    Speaking of fly swatters, I note that on your atheism
    you have the same ultimate destiny as does a housefly.
    So then we have the , , ,
    Housefly
    Roach
    Bug
    House Plant
    Mosquito

    Allow me to encourage you to get a better religion
    than atheism.

    Regarding your proclamations on the "hereafter" and
    "Earthly remembrance" you speak as a "man of faith"
    and as a "man of the cloth" and as the Right Reverend
    WillReadMore -- which means that you speak by
    Faith exactly like a Baptist Preacher. You can NOT
    prove a single word of it --- yet you proclaim it as
    the truth.
    ___________
    Now here comes a test for you:
    Will you post back and tell me that you were wrong?
    I predict you will choose NOT to do that.
    Even though the following clearly proves that were wrong.
    ___________
    WillReadMore, you are incorrect. There will be Heroic Remembrance
    in Heaven. The best example of that is the heroics that was clearly
    demonstrated by the Lord Jesus when He said to His Father
    "not my will, but Thy will be done" when He was faced with the
    cruel death of crucifixion on the Cross. That heroic deed will be
    remembered for all Eternity.

    So will the heroic deeds of the Apostle Paul, who received 195 lashes
    on his back from people who hated Christianity and the gospel message.
    Paul said that he received the 40 lashes minus one on 5 separate
    occasions.{5 X 39 = 195} Paul could have quit. But he did NOT
    quit. That is heroic. That will be remembered for all Eternity.

    Best.

    JAG

    PS
    I will be waiting for you to post back and tell me you were incorrect.


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    Swensson, thanks for your comments.
    Thanks for reading my OP.
    The Nigerian Prince thingy is not credible at any reasonable level
    of credibility.
    Christendom's long drawn out history is credible and is not comparable
    to the Nigerian Prince example.
    _______

    Then there is that ever present "little problem" of WHO gets to decide what
    is, or is not, credible?
    If you say "Its not a matter of deciding --- you'd be wrong because you just
    announced your decision --- you decided that my OP was incredible. You
    proclaimed your decision.

    I have decided that my OP is NOT incredible.
    I have decided that my OP is credible.

    Its a good bet that all of Theism {some 5 billion people} would agree
    with me and stand AGAINST you on this issue.
    Its a good bet that say 99% of your atheist tribe would agree with you
    that my OP is incredible.
    Nonetheless, you will continue to proclaim that there is a Credible Reality
    out there , , and that YOU know what it is.

    You live your life on the faith-based assumption that there is a Credible Reality
    out there and that YOU , , , know what it is.

    Its amazing that you can sustain that kind of self-delusion.
    What you call credibility, another man calls incredibility.
    And some 5 billion Theists who would hold my OP to be credible
    takes my OP out of the category of the Nigerian Prince example.

    Also , , ,
    There is no such thing on Planet Earth as , , ,
    The International Authority That Decides What Is, Or Is Not, Credible.

    Best.

    JAG

    PS
    I wrote the substance of the following up-thread.
    I would be interested in reading your thoughts on what I wrote.

    JAG Wrote:
    "Atheism is a Bug Religion.
    On atheistic religion there is nothing to look forward to
    after General Time and General Death squashes you like
    a Road Kill or like one would squash a Bug in their kitchen
    with a fly swatter.

    Speaking of fly swatters, I note that on atheism humans
    have the same ultimate destiny as does a housefly which
    is ceasing-to-exist oblivion.

    So then we have the , , ,
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ Bug
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , , all share, on atheism, the identical same ultimate destiny which is
    ceasing-to-exist Oblivion.

    Allow me to encourage people to get a better religion
    than atheism"__JAG


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    How exactly does that credibility come about? I agree that the Nigerian prince is not credible, where exactly do the differences lie?
    I don't think I claim any such thing. I'm asking why *you* find it credible, not whether or not some third party would find it so. I'm not claiming a path to a credible reality, I'm claiming I know some paths that definitely lead to incredible (and indeed false) realities. It seems to me, it is you who claim things about reality, like John 3:16.
    Oh, so it is an appeal to popularity? We know that's an unreliable path.
    I don't think I suggest that there is. All I have noted is that you have deemed it credible, and that's what I'm questioning. I'm not appealing to some third party arbiter of credibility.
    Seems about right, I don't particularly see a problem with that.

    However, if the idea of an eternal significance is an illusion that we cast away, then we are perfectly capable of identifying significance yet to come (or already past or present) in our current lives. This doesn't really contradict what you've said, but it paints a much less bleak picture. It seems to me the only problem with what you've said is the negative tone in which you've put it, not the actual content.
    Again, sounds about right. Is this a problem for you? It seems to me, one can be happily content with the significance we are able to access in our lives. To me, it seems much sadder to not be able to be content with the person that one is.
     
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    True. The current lives of atheists DO have significance.
    So do the current lives of Bugs {they keep Orkin busy}

    But let us forever keep in mind that you have said "sounds about right"
    to my characterization of atheism as a Bug Religion. NOT that you
    are using my phrase "Bug Religion" -- but that you are saying
    "sounds about right" to this below:

    JAG Wrote:
    I note that on atheism humans have the same ultimate destiny
    as does a housefly which is ceasing-to-exist oblivion
    .

    So then we have the , , ,
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ Bug
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , , all share, on atheism, the identical same ultimate destiny which is
    ceasing-to-exist Oblivion"__JAG.

    Its party time , , ,
    We need to rejoice with the truth and if the above "sounds about right"
    then let us celebrate that which "sounds about right."

    ___________________________________________

    Aw no negative tone at all -- just the unvarnished truth that
    atheism is a Bug Religion and ought to be presented and
    and celebrated as a Bug Religion.

    On atheistic religion there is nothing to look forward to
    after General Time and General Death squashes you like
    a Road Kill or like one would squash a Bug in their kitchen
    with a fly swatter.

    Speaking of fly swatters, I note that on atheism humans
    have the same ultimate destiny as does a housefly which
    is ceasing-to-exist oblivion
    .

    So then we have the , , ,
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ Bug
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , , all share, on atheism, the identical same ultimate destiny which is
    ceasing-to-exist Oblivion.
    ________

    That up there is either true or it is false.
    Which is it?
    You say it "sounds about right."
    So?
    So lets you & I celebrate that which "sounds about right."

    Also , , ,
    Many atheists have told me that they DO agree that they have the
    same ultimate destiny as does a Bug and that they accept this fact
    as the truth.
    So?
    So let us rejoice with the truth.
    And celebrate the truth that atheism is a Bug Religion.


    Noted.
    Agreed.
    You said this below "sounds about right."
    JAG Wrote:
    I note that on atheism humans have the same ultimate
    destiny as does a housefly which is ceasing-to-exist oblivion.

    So then we have the , , ,
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ Bug
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , , all share, on atheism, the identical same ultimate destiny which is
    ceasing-to-exist Oblivion."___JAG

    Yeah it is a problem for me.
    I am called upon to love people.
    It makes me sad to know that many of my fellow human
    beings believe they have the same identical ultimate
    destiny as does a Bug

    You're saying "be happily content" with having the same
    identical ultimate destiny as does a Bug.

    The "person that one is" ---
    You're back with atheism as the Bug Religion.
    That takes us right back to this:
    I note that on atheism humans have the same ultimate
    destiny as does a housefly which is ceasing-to-exist oblivion.

    So then we have the , , ,
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ Bug
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , , all share, on atheism, the identical same ultimate destiny which is
    ceasing-to-exist Oblivion."___JAG

    __________

    How can you be satisfied and contented to believe that you and your
    fellow human beings are in the same category with regard to their
    ultimate destiny as the , , ,
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ Bug
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Chicken
    ~ Duck
    ~ pig
    ___

    ~ Atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , , all share, on atheism, the identical same ultimate destiny which is
    ceasing-to-exist Oblivion"__JAG.


    JAG

    PS
    As a human being, don't you know that, with regard to your ultimate destiny,
    you rise way above a Bug?


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    You can rejoice in it if you want to. Secular humanists tend to find better use of time rejoicing the significances that do exist.
    Seems to me there is. Your argument works the same for any being, dog, tiger, yeti, human. It seems misleading to pick bug out of all of those to characterise it. There is nothing about it that is specific to bugs. The bug angle seems to be a JAG (TM) addition.
    Well, there are a bunch of details that are still iffy. For instance, what you describe is more like secular humanism than it is atheism (for instance, there are buddhist atheists who would not agree with the above). Many modern atheists are also secular humanists, but the concepts are different.
    Then it seems to me you massively undervalue actual existing significance.
    Yep. Of course not because humans have the same value as a bug, but because "ultimate destiny" is a swing-and-a-miss way of thinking about it.
    Why couldn't I be? The crux of the matter is that you've picked the lens of ultimate destiny to view it through. I don't believe happiness derives only from ultimate destiny, but also from the here and now, and that is more than enough reason for satisfaction and contentedness.
    No, I don't know that. But then, I don't know that ultimate destiny exists in any meaningful sense at all, so that's not a problem to me. You've painted yourself into the corner of thinking only about "ultimate destiny", whereas secular humanists haven't made that assumption, and are able to see the value in other concepts. If the ultimate destiny does not exist (or doesn't particularly matter), then we are not justified in disregarding existing significance.
     
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    Its a centuries old marketing pitch that appeals to our vanity, or loneliness, our basic human need for immortality, justice or forgiveness. That is what theism offers. Its a compelling pitch attune to our complex psychological needs. I have no problem if people choose to buy this product and use it.

    If a rainbow vacuum might make your life better, then buy a Rainbow vacuum from the door to door salesman and plug it in. I am not interested, and no, I don't want the guy to come into my home, to plug it in and demonstrate its effectiveness on pet hair. Its not a priority problem for me. Thanks but I am busy.
     
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    You claim to offer the rememberance of Paul and others as something that religion offers.

    But, you and your religion do not have that to offer.

    Once again you ignored the fact that the rememberance you reference is an Earthly thing. And, the Bible definitely does not offer you rememberance.
     
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    JAG Wrote:
    You're saying "be happily content" with having the same
    identical ultimate destiny as does a Bug.

    Swensson Replied With:
    I find that sad.
    The Bug Religion is a Sad Religion.
    By the way, I have a Human Right to find it sad. SAD.
    And I will continue to find it SAD.
    But I welcome your arguments seeking to prove that I have no
    Logical right to find that SAD.
    i do not fear them. One man's "logic" is another man's "illogic."

    On your Secular Humanism -- Humans and Bugs have the same identical
    ultimate worth and value. How so? Because BOTH end , , END , , , in
    ceasing-to-exist oblivion.
    Oblivion = 00000
    And 0000 can NOT be valuable.
    It can be "WAS valuable" --- in the past it WAS valuable because in the past it was not 0000
    But it can NOT be "is NOW valuable." {in the present it is not NOW valuable}
    Why not?
    Because 0000 can NOT be valuable.

    By the way,
    You don't like the word "ultimate" because it puts a monkey wrench
    into your Secular Humanist "worth and value" self-delusion

    Best.

    JAG


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    Once again, you are incorrect.
    Once again, you ignored the post you "responded" to.
    Once again, you refused to face the facts presented to you.
    Here they are once again:

    There will be Heroic Remembrance in Heaven. The best example
    of that is the heroics that was clearly demonstrated by the Lord
    Jesus when He said to His Father "not my will, but Thy will be done" '
    when He was faced with the cruel death of crucifixion on the Cross.
    That heroic deed will be remembered for all Eternity.
    WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
    just wrote is NOT correct?


    So will the heroic deeds of the Apostle Paul, who received 195 lashes
    on his back from people who hated Christianity and the gospel message.
    Paul said that he received the 40 lashes minus one on 5 separate
    occasions.{5 X 39 = 195} Paul could have quit. But he did NOT
    quit. That is heroic. That will be remembered for all Eternity.
    WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
    just wrote is NOT correct?



    Can you explain to me why you are continuing to ignore and
    continuing to deny the facts right in front of you?.

    _________

    Also , ,
    Atheism is a Bug Religion.
    On your atheistic religion you have nothing to look forward to
    after General Time and General Death squashes you like
    a Road Kill or like you would squash a Bug in your kitchen
    with a fly swatter.

    I note that on your atheism you have the same ultimate destiny,
    namely total oblivion, as does a Housefly, a Roach, a House Plant,
    a Mosquito, and a Bug.

    Would you please consider getting a better religion
    than atheism?

    Best.

    JAG

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    Quoted for context.
    Put there by the God that created you.
    For certain that is what Christianity offers.

    Yeah!
    Theism is projected to hit 5.7 billion worldwide by 2050
    Put there by the God that created you and that loves you.
    Revelation 3:20
    John 3:16

    I thank God for you.
    Seriously.
    You are one thread-atheist that is not at war with Christianity.
    Not all of them are.
    But a lot of them are.
    But that's not a problem "Only the dead have seen an end to war"__Plato
    And , ,
    The 21st Century is pretty much a "War of all against all." {T. Hobbs, I think}

    Best.

    JAG

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    I do want to rejoice with the truth, and my claim that
    atheism is the Bug Religion is the truth {as explained up-thread}

    Perhaps I can present to them some "food for thought" that
    will cause them to join me in celebrating the truth with the goal
    of them changing their minds about their religion of
    Secular Humanism?
    Its worth a try.
    Let me give it a shot with you right now.
    Swensson, I note that on your Secular Humanism you have
    the same ultimate destiny, namely total oblivion, as does a
    Housefly, a Roach, a House Plant, a Mosquito, and a Bug.

    Would you please consider getting a better religion
    than your Secular Humanism? One that is bright, cheerful,
    and optimistic about your future and about the afterlife,
    and that does not believe that you and a Bug have the same
    identical ultimate END, namely oblivion as in ceasing-to-exist?

    Best.

    JAG
     
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    No.
    Not JAG's TM at all.
    No, not misleading at all.
    You just don't like the word "Bug."
    The word Bug tells the truth.
    The truth hurts.
    The truth is unpleasant oft times.
    We can add to the list:
    If you don't like Bug, we can go with all on the list down there.
    ~ Bug
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Pig
    ~ Cow
    ~ Road Kill
    ~ Turtle
    ~ Hog
    ~ Peat Moss
    ~ Snake
    ~ atheists
    ~ Humanity
    , , ,on atheism and on your Secular Humanism, human beings
    have the same identical ultimate destiny as does all on that
    list up there namely oblivion as in ceasing-to-exist -- and you
    said "sounds about right" to me. So? So I want to point that out.
    And I just did.
    Also I may wish to celebrate it.
    Is that okay with you?
    Or are you going tp present "arguments" why I ought not to celebrate the truth?
    It is illogical NOT to celebrate the truth.
    You said the Bug thingy "sounds about right."
    So then my Bug thingy is the truth, according to your lights.
    Let us celebrate the truth.
    Together.

    Best.

    JAG
     
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    Most atheists are not anti-theist, or anti-Christianso much as want to be left alone as people, and respected as something other than a caricature or stereotype just like most of you theists. Most atheists don't put a whole of energy or passion into discouraging what other people do or changing minds just like theists. Most Christians don't proselyte much, and neither do we. You are just hearing from the more vocal folk.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to Christianity a very evil person can have a deathbed conversion and be forgiven of all sins and go to heaven
     
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    Jarvis , , ,
    I do not.
    I strongly affirm that both atheists and Secular Humanists
    can have HUGE present time value. Let me give you an
    example.
    A Secular Humanist named Jarvis may discover the cure for
    cancer and be of great HUGE significance to Humanity.
    They might erect a 50 foot monument to Jarvis and large
    numbers of humans might remember Jarvis for centuries.
    And some for millenniums.
    But , ,
    None of that in any way eliminates the fact that on atheism
    and on your Secular Humanism Jarvis has the same identical
    ultimate destiny as does a rat and a mouse, namely total
    oblivion as in ceasing-to-exist.
    We can now add rat and mouse to the list.
    ~ Rat
    ~ Mouse
    ~ Bug
    ~ Housefly
    ~ Roach
    ~ House Plant
    ~ Mosquito
    ~ Pig
    ~ Cow
    ~ Road Kill
    ~ Turtle
    ~ Hog
    ~ Peat Moss
    ~ Snake
    ~ atheists
    ~ Humanity
    So?
    So I find that worth noting.
    So I find that worth posting about.
    Si I find that worth remembering.
    And I find that SAD
    Do you think I have a right to find that SAD?
    __________

    I can't figure out why you don't find that SAD?
    I mean Jarvis is worth saving.
    Jarvis is important.
    Jarvis made a HUGE contribution to Humanity.
    I do NOT want to see Jarvis destroyed.
    I do not want to se Jarvis have the same END as does a RAT.
    My desire for Jarvis to live on, is NOT unreasonable.

    Best.

    JAG

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    So, you create a "heaven" and declare it to be really, really cool.

    But, the fact of the matter is that humans are a life form and all life forms die.

    You can't change that by proposing an eternity full of things that living Christians like. The only reason you do that is that you have no idea at all what a dead Christian might actually like. And, the fact of liking those things does not change reality in any way.

    I don't have a clue why you would attempt to pitch feaures of your heaven. The ONLY real issue is whether your concept of heaven exists.

    The Bible does suggest a god will judge your acts on Earth. But, suggesting that is "rememberance" is a ridiculous stretch. It is what the bible of your religion calls it - judgement.
     
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