RACHEL DOES IT AGAIN

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  1. REALITY CHUCK

    REALITY CHUCK Well-Known Member

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    I caught a few minutes of Rachel Madow last night--a few minutes is my tolerance level before brain freeze sets in. Anyway, she was going on with her usual, one sided, ignore facts, rant. She and the rent-a-mobs were out in strength about the "racist pig" rounding up those poor illegals that had every right (??) to be in this country illegally (??). Of course, they all seem to be skipping over the fact that Trump has only halted an illegal program but has NOT begub rounding anyone up. He has, in fact, given the Congress the opportunity to make what has happened up until now, legal. Am I the only one that caught that?

    So, I stumbled in on Rachel while she was shrieking about those white racist bastard Senators back in 1924 after they had just shut the door to immigrants. In particular, she was harping on the blatantly white racists remarks made by Senator Ellison DuRant Smith as though his remarks embodied the full racist nature of this country for ever and ever.

    As is her usual method, she left out a critical fact - Smith was a Democrat.

    http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5080

    “Shut the Door”: A Senator Speaks for Immigration Restriction

    At the turn of the 20th century, unprecedented levels of immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe to the United States aroused public support for restrictive immigration laws. After World War I, which temporarily slowed immigration levels, anti-immigration sentiment rose again. Congress passed the Quota Act of 1921, limiting entrants from each nation to 3 percent of that nationality’s presence in the U.S. population as recorded by the 1910 census. As a result, immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe dropped to less than one-quarter of pre-World War I levels. Even more restrictive was the Immigration Act of 1924 (Johnson-Reed Act) that shaped American immigration policy until the 1960s. During congressional debate over the 1924 Act, Senator Ellison DuRant Smith of South Carolina drew on the racist theories of Madison Grant to argue that immigration restriction was the only way to preserve existing American resources. Although blatant racists like Smith were in the minority in the Senate, almost all senators supported restriction, and the Johnson-Reed bill passed with only six dissenting votes.
     
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    There is no court ruling deeming DACA unconstitutional and thus, Trump had no legitimate reason to implement an artificial deadline.

    As for not rounding them up, Trump has access to all of the DACA information and the administration has written talking points and a memo saying that DACA members should prepare to leave.

    This is a refugee crisis that is entirely of Trump's making.
     
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    My best friend from highschool was supposedly protected by DACA. He was deported during 2013. UNDER OBAMA. Where was your outrage then? It's only an issue when trump does it?
     
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    Are you expecting that I should have known about your friend or his circumstances?
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Executive Branch is not supposed to make law. You really shouldn't have "legal" in your username. It's embarrassing.

     
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    Once again, unless and until there is a Supreme Court ruling on this issue, DACA was legal. And Trump artificially created a refugee crisis by imposing an artificial six month deadline.
     
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    So was the KKK 97 years ago. Today Smith is dead and the KKK is an arm of the Republican party.
     
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    I think he's expecting that you should have known that deportations occurred under Obama, not that you should have known the details of his friend. Your attempt at deflection was quite a weak one, even by your standards.
     
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    And I'm sure this user watches Fox News and thinks all they talk about is truth.

    Why are you against history lessons?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Immigration law is set by congress. Trump told congress to deal with it. Is that a problem?
     
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    That's like saying until someone is caught and convicted of murder, the murder that he committed is legal. That's absurd.

    Also, explain to us your reasoning on how it is that returning to the rule of law within a six month period would create an artificial refugee crisis. Even if there is such a crisis, wouldn't the one who originally pulled us away from the rule of law be the one at fault?
     
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    you need a civics class the EB cannot and does not make law. Look it up an EO is not law.
     
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    Like most things from the Left, his username is the opposite of what he really is. It's just a ridiculous position he takes, but it doesn't matter as long as he believes if forwards an authoritarian ideology.
     
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    You need a Civics Class as DACA was legislating from the Executive Branch and clearly not Constitutional.
     
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    If Trump's "tweets" are treated as legal document, Obama's statements should also be treated as such. Congress: Get to work.
     
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    Got any details? Did your best friend apply for DACA? Was your friend even eligible for DACA? Did your friend have a record of any kind, stay out of trouble? Not everyone who was eligible received protection under DACA. You might want to check into the requirements of eligibility rules for DACA and the fact that not only do eligible people have to sign up, they have to re-up every two years - and pay for the privilege (I think around $500.00 or so to enter the program and the same amount when re-upping every two years). Eligibility was pretty stringent.

    Any hiccups and they're out of the program.......if you're still in touch with your best friend from high school, ask him or her about it.....
     
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    Yes, where was your outrage, hmmmmMM?

    Typical lib, no foresight.
     
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    Refugee, noun
    1. a person who flees for refuge or safety, especially to a foreign country, as in time of political upheaval, war, etc.

    Illegal, adjective
    1.
    forbidden by law or statute.
    2.
    contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.:
    Don't need a court when Barry has already acknowledged 22 times: He doesn’t have the authority to take the kinds of actions he once referred to as ‘ignoring the law,’ and ‘unwise and unfair,’ ”
     
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    The EB does make law when its EO subverts existing law, which this EO did. That's why the EO was unconstitutional, and why it needs to be rescinded by the current EB.

    Your seem to be thinking "theoretically", when you need to be thinking "practically".
     
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    Then his point is just as terrible. Of course deportations took place under Obama. He had more deportations than any previous President. As for people being deported who were protected by DACA, that would have required a more particularized knowledge of his friend's circumstance. Especially before I am expected to get outraged.
     
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    Only when that President is a ****ing moron who doesn't understand the implications of his own decision.
     
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    It is when Trump is artificially creating a deadline and thereby creating a refugee crisis within the United States.
     
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    You and democrats only lie and pretend the KKK has something to do with the republican party.
     
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    Don't use analogies. Your analogies suck.

    No, Obama is not to blame because Trump is the one who artificially created a deadline with no guarantee of any substitute.
     
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    Let me know when you have a Supreme Court ruling to the effect that DACA was unconstitutional and thus an actual need to impose a deadline on Congress.
     
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