Rage and anguish sweep the USA

Legitimate or not, it is protest.

 

We have to remember that people are subject to propaganda and unless you look further that is what you will believe.

Has anyone here been protesting the cops running down protesters? Here Jimmy Dore with passion allows you to see the other side of the situation and gives some psychological insight into how things progress.

 

No, it is not. It is a criminal act, which is NOT protest.

 

I'd say he was exploiting it and allowing it to be a norm even if that is just by choosing to ignore it.

I would need to listen again. He says most people are not aware of just what has been done in this referral of money to the top 10% as has been done during Covid. He believes that most of you believe that was not a good thing but do not understand just what has been done and what the effect will be. To be honest I was on my computer at the time and every time he got to it I thought 'wtf' and wound it back then seemed to get to the same point. So I need to find it to know the nuts and bolts of what he said. Have just looked and cannot find. Anyway some things are obvious. You have over 30,000,000 people unemployed. Your Stock Market is being held artificially up - to keep the rich rich or something. The United States has been working on downward mobility since the 70's. Your middle class in general cannot afford $500 for a rainy date, The United States never really was the place where anyone could make it but it is becoming more and more the place where few opportunities exist. This will of course get worse as was expected before Covid arrived. Indeed I think our politicians are quite happy with using that as an excuse rather than facing reality. Why do you think you now have a police which acts illegally? Why do you think you have a police which is pretty much militarily armed. Why do you think a lot of the US Police Force went to Israel to be trained to police American Citizens like they 'police' the Palestinians.

You have the massive loss in jobs which seems to have been caused by Covid. The situation in the UK and most European countries has been very different and we do not have the massive unemployment you have. In the UK this was because the Government paid people up to 80% of their salary while they were in lockdown. They also are to pay small businesses and the self employed money to hold them together. This I do not think you got in the US and understandably people wanted back to work possibly to early because they needed bread on the table.

We are told Covid is going to result in a recession the like of which we have never seen.

and that all can and is being blamed on covid 19...but a lot of it was coming anyway. People have been predicting for years that 2020 will see another recession/depression and that this is one we will not be able to get out of. 2008 should have shown that neo liberalism did not work. They gambled and lost. Our governments weren't going to have that though and got us, the people to pay them back and since then the West has lived in a world which people rightly call socialism for the Capitalists. They get to make more and more money and we make sure this happens as you will have noticed Trump did during Covid 19. Fewer and Fewer people now have the money and the control. The US is only democracy on look not on function. It does have elections even though they are becoming more and more corrupt but it is a Plutocracy and both of your political parties work for the people who pay them.

So Covid depression plus expected one - yes most people are going to have trouble rubbing to pennies together.

This is an interesting one. Research I read put the massive increase in drink and drug use and suicide by white working class men down to the reality that regardless of how hard they tried they could not get a job which allowed them to earn enough money to provide on a decent level to their family. Because they like I think you were believing that there is an American Dream and everyone who wanted to could make it if they were just prepared to work. It was because they took the change in their ability to find work and provide for their families personally that they became so depressed and down on themselves they took to drink/drugs and suicide. Black people, the research said had never believed the American Dream was open to them so they did not take this personally.

You aren't aware of the money Trump was giving all your big busnesses which were crying. Like I said he went into this deeper and why it is far worse that most people imagine and is going to effect them in a way they never could of dreamt of while they were sleeping and that there is no way back. He may be talking about the reality of over 30 million and counting unemployed and very few jobs to go back to.

I think I'll leave that for now. I wasn't though giving or asking for a judgement. I was just telling you how the people who rioted felt. The English or possibly it was the London police today made a Statement that they do not stand with the actions of Police in the US. They do not find it acceptable. There is also talk here that this is time for us to address our racism as well. People are going on marches in support of those marching in the US both white and black people as it is in the US. Not just one march. There have been quite a few.

 

Yes it is, infinity.

 

I'll give you the short version:

Enhanced unemployment is being paid to people during the shut downs of COVID. Some people are making more on unemployment then they made while working. This will continue for another 60 days, as it stands now.

If an employer re-opens, and the furloughed employee is called back to work by their employer, they must come back or find other work, because as of the date of notice of call back and failure to do so, they lose all unemployment benefits. However, be cause of the mass of people involved, the unemployment agencies are about 30-45 days behind in halting the payments. The money paid to workers is the equivalent of what your government was doing, by another name, plus add in the $1200 checks distributed per individual, and most people were doing just fine for cash.

I am well aware of loans being made, our company received one, in order to be able to keep our doors open and pay the employees. I am well aware of larger companies getting financial assistance also, for the same reasons. You the companies, the ones that employ thousands of people. Apparently, you see a difference between your government giving money to people, and our government giving money to businesses AND people. Why is that?

Your basis of government and economy in the UK is different then here. Businesses here provide the jobs, in the UK, the government indirectly provides the jobs.

The protests here that are peaceful are swelling and growing, I support those who believe we can find a way to address racism, but I've yet to see anything that proves this horrible event was racially motivated. Just because it involved a White and a Black person does not mean it was racially motivated. IMO, it was an authority issue, in addition to lack of action on the LE to remove the problem which had made it's self known in other events.

 

How is that? You mean people could come to your door, tear it down, damage your abode, threaten you or yours, and call in 'protesting' and therefore not be held liable for what they have done?

Please provide support for your statement that says rioting and looting is considered 'protesting' by any authority.

 

Where did I say that the looters and arsonists wouldn’t be held responsible for their actions?
Were the Luddites not protesting?

Protest
noun
an expression or declaration of objection, disapproval, or dissent, often in opposition to something a person is powerless to prevent or avoid: a protest against increased taxation.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/protest

 

OK Found it. He says

then he is talking about how Nancy Pelosi is the most corrupt member of congress and she just votes for what those who give her money want and she is supported because she gives money to those who support her and then the Progressives do not even take the money but become evil by giving cover for and empowering this corruption. He says if this does not make you angry it is because you do not understand what has been done and the ramifications of it.

His interviewer mentions two things which he believes Bernie the Squad and many members of the Caucus did not understand about the Cares Act

One was that the Tax Break in the bill wasn't going to be scored until the bill was past. It is a $190 billion tax break...so its as big as some of the bailout programs.

Second The idea that the 455 billion dollar wall street side of the equation is going to be leveraged up at least ten times so its really a 4 trillion or 4 and a half trillion and he things people do not understand this because they say 3/4 of the money went to ordinary people. He believes people really believe that. The interviewer questions whether people genuinely do not know this or are being insincere and Dore says he does not know which it is either but he says that he believes if they do not know it is even worse. He does though mainly think they did not know which he says shows their incompetence. However, he speaks of AOC getting up and waving her hands and saying this Republican bill only gives crumbs to working people, she is right...but she only calls out the Republicans. If she knew that there were only crumbs in it as she said Dore is pretty sure the Squad new it, He is pretty sure Bernie Sanders knew it, Elizabeth Warren knew it, Tulse Gabbard knew it. He is sure now that they all knew it because AOC obviously did. He does though say he was very impressed by Tulse and they wonder why she stepped down. ​

 

sorry Sally, the army was being used to suppress riots... if they were protests the army would not be needed

 

I believe you're the one confused as you your answer misses my post entirely. I disagree with pretty much everything you post btw.

 

Protests take many forms.

 

Nope protests are peaceful, riots are violent. This many forms crap is what the radicals tell you to justify their behaviour.

 

You are probably right Witchie.

 

Wow Sally you have the makings of a diplomat...

Meanwhile, Scarlet quoted my post without comment....perhaps my point that Bezos will soon be wealthier than some countries has rendered her speechless....

 

Moi?

 

True....but where entrenched disadvantage among a minority group is tolerated by the majority, the anger of protestors in the minority group can be expected to morph into rioting by some of the protesters.

 

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now I quoted you without comment...

 

And when these protestors morph into rioters and killers, they should expect to be stopped by police, the National Guard or Military if necessary

 

Ah..... now I see your comment at the top...

Your post lays the blame for systemic poverty, and "stealing from humanity" on "Globalists".

I pointed out that Bezos is the ultimate benefactor of neoliberal globalism.

Let's see if you can find something else to blame for entrenched poverty.

Note: Neither Trump nor Obama have a clue how to solve this problem:

"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison.."

 

Bezos benefitted from Quantitive Easing 1, in 2009, QE2 in 2012 and QE3 in 2015 by the Federal Reserve as about 90% or more of the money created by the Fed went into the sharemarket. Much of that ended up in Amazon stock making Bezos an extremely wealthy man thanks to Obama & Bernanke, not exactly Bezos' fault he is stinking rich on the back of poor & indebted Americans, does explain though why he sides with the Globalists.

 

OK....but show me your plan to deal with the underlying problem ie entrenched, systemic, economic disadvantage.

"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison.."

ANY neoliberal US administration would have reacted to the GFC in the same manner as Obama and Bernanke, faced with the necessity of avoiding another Great Depression (if the financial system was allowed to collapse without QE).

*A Repub admin which tried to proceed without government intervention would have been faced with a global economic collapse sufficient to make the GD look like a party.

So neoliberal orthodoxy must bear some the blame, as well as actual criminal behaviour by the bankster's involved in the financial collapse.

But that's only half the story. Bezos is becoming exorbitantly wealthy because he was the first 'shop keeper' to gain access to the world consumer market, after the invention of the internet. The US stock- market not withstanding.

 

Of course they should and in a professional manner using no more force than necessary. The police however are acting violently. Do you have any video of them acting in a violent way towards looters because Jimmy Dore is interested to find one such video. All he has seen is the police attacking peaceful protesters. He has just shown a clip of a woman asking the police what would happen when it came to 8 o'clock curfew time. He said 'We are going to beat the **** out of you'...and then Dore showed them doing exactly that.

Scarlet witch these are not normal police. They are acting as police do in a Police State. The US is in a dire position right now and its people need to recognise that. People were predicting that after the Cares Act in which the Democratic Party did not stand up for the essential needs of the middle and working class, that there would be social unrest. They did not expect it to happen in this way though but protest was definitively expected. Looting is an excuse to beat the **** out of peaceful protesters and set the norm as to how protestors will be dealt with in the US.

 

I watch the news and tell all American citizens - Thank God you have "violent" police ... In Iran you were smashed by D9 Caterpillars !!
Propotion.