Rage and anguish sweep the USA

In many States the Police have been to Israel learning the tactics which are used against the Palestinians so I would expect you agree with this and support violence against people with no defence. While in Israel the US have almost applauded the wantan killing of people for trying to go on a peaceful march I doubt many would support this in the USA. As Dore was saying, he, like many others knew that eventually how they treated others would come home and be used on them. He believes this is the beginning.

Police need to serve the people, yes arresting those who break the law but not those using their democratic and Internationally lawful right to protest. There is talk now that police 'forces' should be disbanded. Their job is to protect the people who pay for their 'service' not 'force'

I mentioned in a different thread that one of the things which I found interesting is that with the Internet the oppressed around the world are able to communicate with each other and through that support each other when needed. After Ferguson black American's said they got their best support from the Palestinians. Similarly I am noticing that in the UK and many other countries people are marching not just in support of those in the US but also making it clear that this is an issue which needs to be addressed here as well. This is not a one march support thing. It is going on like those in the US are. The UK Police have already expressed that they do not find it acceptable how the US police are acting. A black poet in the UK, forgot his name was saying that the thing which he was touched by most was that the marches, as they were in the 60's were back and white marching together - or as he put it that so many white people were there with them.

Our future is likely being set now. Authoritarian rule just for the wealthy or a society that can work for the well being of all in difficult times.

The US has lost the plot. One Mayor could not condemn the police running over protestors but banged on the table when protestors did the same to one of theirs as Dore rightly said because the police behaviour gave them every reason to be scared of them. That being said this morning listening to the BBC for the first time I thought possibly something good could come out of this with people showing their solidarity in different ways. In my childhood I saw democracy as more than just home issues but people feeling empathy for people in other countries through their common humanity and by that not being easy to get to go to wars which harm them. Who knows perhaps we may move into that kind of society again.

 

My politics are condemned! So what happens now ? I face a quick trial followed by an even quicker execution by firing squad , along with everyone else who disagrees with you? Andd where BTW did I suggest that the disadvantaged in America and elsewhere don't need assistance to rise from up from poverty?

Sigh, The Great leap forward, the Prague Spring., the famine in the Ukraine etc etc . Do I really need to list ALL the Marxists disasters heaped upon Mankind. Anyone of which casued more human suffering than the US intervention in Chile ever did. Which BTW doesn't mean I think that was a morally justifiable exercise either.

How about investment in education, and health care with tax reform to pay for it.

Best of all no-one gets shot in a coup.

 

They do, but it seems not so frequently as they do blacks.

It was most encouraging to see several police groups take a knee with the protestors. The most moving example IMO was the case in Flint Michigan last week. The Sheriff there did it right.

 

That definition is of protesting. Rioting and looting, harming others is not 'protesting', they aren't saying a word or supporting a cause. They are stealing and causing damage, to property and people. I'll add innocent people and property.

 

Was the Boston Tea Party a riot?

 

Nope.

https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/boston-tea-party-damage

 

This is why I usually ignore you. If you reply to this post I suggest you answer the post not just engage in insults. If you are going to say 'what nonsense' then you ought to know what is nonsense and what the real situation was. What I wrote however was real. You just try to insult to stop people being able to say the situation as they see it. I think there is a name for that.

This is not true. What is true is that US States have been sending their police to Israel where they have learnt techniques the Israelis use on the Palestinians to use in the US - I think they were told particularly in times of riot. This appears to be what has caused the barbaric way that US police have been treating peaceful protesters. There may be an argument for them being more rough with those who are acting against the law though my position is that the least violence is what should always been used. Police are the only people who may have as a right in their contract of work the right to kill civilians - the people who pay their salary and who they should be serving. However most police get heavy when people are committing crimes though the US police kill regularly which is not the situation where I live. We take the killing of civilians by the police very seriously. If we suspect that a killing could have been avoided we make sure it is investigated.

The other thing which I find interesting about the Israelis teaching the Police of many states in the US - some discovered how they were being taught and stopped it as they did not want their citizens treated like that...but for those who were we find that they are now attacking the Press. Killing and injuring the Press is an Israeli speciality so that they cannot show what has happened. It looks like those Police who were taught in Israel were taught the value of frightening the Press from coming into areas where they were 'working'.

Of course with yourself you proudly told me once that you are a Christian Zionist and you have as little concern for the violence committed against the Palestinians as you do for that against Americans which is where you came into the thread suggesting American protestors get harmed even more.

and here you are being the one trip abusive pony as usual.

 

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No. Your politics need to be seriously examined.

I don't know: perhaps I was misled by Scarlet Witch (to whom I originally replied), who certainly has no understanding that entrenched disadvantage is an underlying cause of the present protests and riots.

Your last remark there - correct.

You mean - like Bernie's policies?

Like I said, when the majority are tolerant of entrenched systemic disadvantge in a minority, out of concern for preserving their own level of wealth, we have a problem.

As shown by the fact that nothing changes decade after decade.

"Tax reform to pay for it".

And so long as the majority of the US population refer to that as "socialism", nothing gets done.

That's why I am promoting an alternative to the current neoliberal economic system, requiring only minor changes to the rules re treasury and central bank:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mmt-overcoming-the-political-divide.569365/

 

New York, and the entire US, has been tolerating entrenched systemic black poverty for decades.

What is your solution to this festering ongoing injustice?

So far, Scarlet Witch has no solution; Monash recognises the problem but hasn't faced the implications of self-interest. And you?

btw, I hear today Mr. Floyd was not a fine example of a law-abiding citizen. Now people will draw different conclusions about that, in relation to the present protests and rioting. But the ongoing entrenched disadvantage of blacks in the US remains to be fixed.

"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison": D.J. Trump, in the 2016 campaign.

 

Retired General John Allen regrets Trump's call for military to control protests and riots, calling instead for resolution of the underlying problems related to entrenched disadvantage; and former defence secretary Mathis is like-wise highly critical:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-statement-trump/index.html

Mattis tears into Trump: 'We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership'

 

Mattis is a moron who got fired...

 

A few more Republican politicians speaking out against Trump:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/world/more-republicans-speak-out-against-trump/

Ms Murkowski’s remarks reflected the choice Republicans are forced to make about whether, and for how long, to support Mr Trump when his words and actions so often conflict with their values and goals.

Mr Trump has responded to violence accompanying some protests following George Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis by calling for more “law and order” to “dominate” even peaceful demonstrations.

He has been slower and less forceful in addressing racial injustice and questions of police brutality that lie at the heart of the unrest".

Meanwhile, you still haven't addressed the question of racial injustice and the associated poor economic outcomes.

 

Let me remind you that there were a black American president in office for 8 years, who caused more inequality than any other, more corruption and worse social economic outcomes for black Americans than many who went before him. But Trump...why?, politics, elections has nothing to do with reality

 

the sheeple & the media is cannibalising Australia

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

"On July 15, 2017, Justine Damond, née Ruszczyk,[2][3] a 40-year-old Australian-American woman, was fatally shot by a 33-year-old Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer, after she had called 9-1-1 to report the possible assault of a woman in an alley behind her house. . . ."






NO Demon1strations.
No Chants, "all lives matter" .


Isn't It Possible White People are targets
of hate crimes and Racism too. ( psst, ask Eric Holder )
All Lives Matter

Moi
Defender of Truthiness

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She died by accident not a chokehold.

 

she accidentally swallowed a bullet... that's nothing like a chokehold

 

Wonder how it's going in the city... are there still some windows intact. You Australians disgust me with your racism...( your turn)

How funny is it.... Jacinda convinces Morrison we've got to watch those right wingers... BANG the bus hits them from the left


New Zealand creates unit to target online 'extremism'
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/zealand-creates-unit-target-online-extremism-191014093649900.html

 

No one said stop, she’s not breathing.
Sad, but not in the same league of deliberate-ness as George Floyd’s demise.

 

What????????????????? sw, what's happening?
So you feel under protected as presumably a white girl/lady?
I honestly believe if we eradicate this fukked up white supremacy thinking the world has a chance, or hey, maybe not, because the follow up race would do exactly the same. We are doomed........
Reg.

 

I disagree Sally, there's nothing more deliberate than pulling a trigger aimed at someone.

 

Yes it appears you could well be doomed...a few years behind the US but marching steadily towards the same outcome.

As for the Obama comment, it is true, go and find out for yourself how inequality, share & property market bubbles & debt increased under Obama.. now the truth is a white supremacist...keep looking to the right M2 that bus on the left is going to hit you hard

 

Ok, but I see it as an unfortunate reflex rather than a sustained action over several minutes while pleas from onlookers were ignored.

 

M2 I think it's important for me to point out that no one is allowed to criticise a black person, in this case Obama. As soon as you do you are labelled a white supremacist. Even when the you point out that Black lives are being hurt or ended due to what this black person did, it doesn't matter To me this indicates hypocrisy, black lives only matter to you when whites can be blamed.