Reparations for Slavery.

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  1. Antiduopolist

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    I understand your frustration in suggesting that; the history of nonsense spewed by those who oppose justice.

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    only descendants. if the government pays then that means EVERYBODY contributes.
     
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    To what purpose? What is Goal? To seek retribution to those wronged? To penalize those that did wrong? To correct the impact of discrimination? To eliminate the underpinnings of discrimination and racism? Something other?
     
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    No reparations for slavery. No reparations period. Ever. None. Zero. It's a load of **** for any one of a number of reasons. Put your white guilt where the sun don't shine and leave it there until it comes out on its own.

    If you buy into the idea of reparations for slavery, I've got a bridge or ten to sell you, sucker.
     
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    to stop repeat offenders.
     
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    Repeat offenders of what? Owning slaves? Those that think incorrectly? What specifically is the offense and who are the offenders?
     
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    criminals
     
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    So reparations for slavery are intended to stop criminals from being repeat offenders. I know I can sometimes be slow in the uptake, but please explain how that is intended to work.
     
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    as a, how shall iput this.....deterrent?

    we can see how so many white folk are still blind to racism, so clearly they have not learned much due to punishments of racism being so lenient or even non existent over the years and centuries
     
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    We let me try to understand. The intention of Reparations for slavery are supposed to somehow result in people not thinking or engaging in racism?
     
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    I am neither African American nor European American -- I do not know.

    I am proud of my great-grandparents who took part in building Soviet Russia in 1917 to 1920s.

    Descendants of serfs did get Reparations -- property of former Nobles.

    Sadly, USSR became Totalitarian. By 1930s, Jews were purged out of Soviet Government. The Jews did not contribute to Totalitarianism.
     
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    pride is a sin
     
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    I hope you are being facetious. I do not know if I should take your proposal seriously or not. I will say that I am opposed to reparations, affirmative action, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). I do not owe blacks anything. I will not give them anything. I do not want the government to give them anything.
     
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    of course you are since it means you dont have to pay for your ancestors sins and the wealth they passed down to you can stay in your pocket. thats how criminals operate, a form of money laundering essentially, delay judgement, keep stolen goods.
     
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    My ancestors owned no slaves. Like most whites they were economically harmed by the institution of slavery. They were family farmers who had difficulty competing with large plantations. None of my ancestors fought in the Confederate Army. Two fought in the Union Army. One was crippled for life.

    Even whites whose ancestors owned slaves and who fought in the Confederate Army are currently harmed by the fact that slavery once existed in the United States. If the slave trade had never existed, there would be few if any Negroes in the United States. The crime rate would be much lower. The cost of our criminal justice systems would also be much lower. The downtown areas of our cities would not be asphalt jungles of crime and moral depravity, where even blacks are not safe. They would be centers of civilization, known for book stores, libraries, art galleries, museums, theaters, concert halls, and atmospheric restaurants and taverns. One could watch a movie, a play, a ballet, or attend a symphony concert that ended at 10:00 pm, and walk safely for two miles to get home.

    American Negroes are better off economically than Negroes in any black run country in the world. They benefit from living in a civilized country far superior to anything they have built anywhere in the world. Whites owe them nothing. They owe us.
     
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    Giving people money doesnt seem to help much. A few years back, every man woman and child registered as tribal members of the Yakama Nation recieved around $70K ea as a result of winning a lawsuit against FedGov. They mostly bought new cars and TVs, and the Yakama Nation Reservation is still (and I quote a tribal member here as I've not been there myself) a 'vast shithole.'

    What about free education? Free GED (if they need one) and free 5 years of college and/or trade school, including tuition, food and dorm housing at any school they can get accepted to. If they don't do the associated studies keep their grades passing, thats on them.
     
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    Reparations in the form of education or maybe down payment on a house, would be a better use of reparations than simply cash. Education and property are keys to the middle class.
     
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    How will you know who they are?
     
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    Neither will make any difference, if the individuals are determined not to use them for their intended purpose. Consider how much public housing contributes to the escape of poverty? Barely at all. Welfare and free education already exist, and are not used by those who say they want to escape poverty.

    The only kind of reparation (desperately) needed, is equality. That means respecting the freely made choices of ALL - irrespective of race - and accepting the consequences of those choices whether we like them or not. Continued paternalistic interference in the lives of free citizens is disgusting. It's not caring, or compassionate, or even remotely respectful - to deny people their right to choose their own fate.
     
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    Vouchers as a down payment for a home or for education for people who can demonstrate direct decendent from American slaves would be a better direction than the direction we are actually headed, which is some sort of lotto sized cash money for people who pass the paper bag test.

    Since the Democratic Party has added reparations to it's party platform this year, the topic of reparations is going to be a political issue in the US from now until our inevitable destruction. So it's an issue that we'll talk about (since the actual implementation seems near impossible-at least to do fairly) from now on.

    America is going in the opposite direction of equality. We've gone so far from "content of our character" that the legislators who signed the 1964 Civil Rights wouldn't believe what passes for civil rights in the current year. All of the political wind is behind the opposite of equality. On college campuses, the woke are demanding George Wallace style segregated living facilities so as to not have to deal with the unbearable whiteness of being. Unfortunately America has lost it's opportunity for equality, as traditionally understood, and is heading to a racial divvying up of the spoils before the inevitable Yugoslavia-like implosion.
     
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    find all descendants of nat turner and pay them $1m each. thatll get the ball rolling.
     
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    the panel will be the judge of that.
     
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    My great(x7) grandfather came over as an officer in the British army to fight in the 'French and Indian Wars'. He was granted land in exchange for his service in now West Virgina (Carvin's Cove- it was a creek back then, long since dammed up into a reservoir) by 'The Crown' that was traded to the Brittish by an allied Native American tribe. It turns out that tribe had neglected to tell 'The Crown' that this land was contested by another Native American tribe, their rivals, whom my ancestor ended up getting attacked by and killing to keep his land. The land passed out of our family generations ago, but I surely benefitted from the money resulting from its sale.

    Do I owe the Native Americans reparations? Or does England? Or does the Native American tribe that defrauded England by trading them the contested land?
     
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    Reparations will hurt the Democrat Party, just as forced school busing and affirmative action did. Blacks are a burden to the Democrat Party and to the United States. The reforms of the New Deal worked because unemployed whites wanted a hand up. The reforms of the Great Society did not work because poor blacks want hand outs. Poor blacks know they lack the intelligence to earn good jobs, so they want free money from the government, paid for by whites.
     
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    Among Negroes it is often difficult to determine paternity. Frequently unmarried black women on welfare do not know where the fathers of their illegitimate children are, or even who they are.
     
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