Russia commemorates the 76th anniversary of its victory in the Second World War

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    According to the official narrative of western MSM presstitutes Hitler was defeated by USA, UK and French, the last time Russia is almost not mentioned among the would-be winners.
    The Truth is Russia paid 30m + lives for the victory, any Russian family has many relatives who either fought or died in WWII
    The Victory in WWII is holy in Russia, therefore it's understandable why Russians hate supported by the Crazy Joe Ukrainian SS Gestapo Nazis.
    It's a huge lie there is fascism in Russia. Not fascism, but patriotism take place.
    Watch here the impressive military parade todday in Moscow, no chance for new hitlers anymore.
    By the way: did you seen it by western MSM?
    I doubt it.
    Thank Russia for saving of the world from the Hitler horror.


     
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    I imagine if Hitler had kept to the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact of 1939 England and Western Europe would look a WHOLE lot different today......
     
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    And yet Hitler could never had dreamed of being the Monster that Stalin was.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stalin only used the German - Soviet Non Aggression pact as a chance to build up his forces in the West in offensive positions for a later invasion of Europe.

    In his book, "Icebreaker", Viktor Suvorov shows that Stalin was poised to attack Europe in 1941 - 1942 and that German intelligence confirmed the same.(1)

    Therefore, Operation Barbarossa was a pre-emptive attack rather than simply a gratuitous Eastern land grab.
    This theory was confirmed by Stalin's forces being in offensive positions rather than defensive positions affording Germany easier initial victories.

    Additionally, Hess flew to Britain with Hitler's full knowledge and approval to form a peace treaty with the West and withdraw from Europe for a free hand in dealing with the Communists whom Hitler considered the greatest threat to the West(2), (3), (4).

    Churchill, as you know, had Hess locked up, and rejected the peace treaty in favor of dragging the Americans into WW 2 in order to destroy Germany & preserve Britain's global Colonial Empire.

    After all, the reason that Hitler did not wipe out the French and British forces at Dunkirk was to have a better chance of his peace treaty succeeding.



    (1) "Germany invaded to pre-empt imminent Soviet attack"



    (2), "Hess, Hitler & Churchill"
    https://www.amazon.com/Hess-Hitler-Churchill-Turning-History/dp/184831602X


    EXCERPT "Peter Padfield presents striking new evidence that demands the wholesale reappraisal of the episode. For, allied to a powerful argument that Hess must have had both Hitler's backing and considerable encouragement from Britain, Padfield demonstrates that he also brought with him a draft peace treaty committing Hitler to the evacuation of occupied European countries. Made public, this would have destroyed Churchill's campaign to bring the United States into the war."CONTINUED


    (3) "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html


    (4) "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
    http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

    EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt Stalin would have attacked in 1941 but it was on the cards. He hoped Hitler would be
    bogged down in France, thus opening the way for the USSR. It's often overlooked that Stalin
    AND Hitler 'started' WWII by invading Poland.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are two seemingly contradictory answers to the claim that USSR was ignored in WWII
    1 - they weren't
    2 - Stalin AND Hitler 'started' the war by invading Poland.

    and it was pretty obvious that without the USA Stalin would have pushed all the way to England
    and establish Communist client states in all of Europe. And with an attendant death toll in the
    many millions.
    Yes, Fascism is alive and well in Russia. It's just a bit more covert than it was in Italy and Germany.
     
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    Nice Orwellian revisionist history you have going on there.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    WW2 'started' when Germany and POLAND invaded Czechoslovakia.....after Chamberlain and the French looked the other way. Months later, Austria and Hungary joined the invasion of Czechoslovakia...carving up up amongst themselves...1 year before Poland was invaded by Hitler. Czechoslovakia did not exist by the time Hitler invaded Poland. And France, Britain and other 'western' powers didn't do a damn thing about it. This unchecked aggression led to WW2.

    By the time the Soviets entered Poland, Poland was under full Nazi control.....the Soviets entered Nazi Poland for fear that Hitler wasn't stopping in Poland, which turned out to be correct.

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    Read up on the 1938 Munich Agreement, commonly known as the Munich Betrayal, which sacrificed Czechoslovakia. Here is Britain, France, Italy and Germany at the signing:

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    Hitler and his right hand man, Mussolini. And gutless Britain's Chamberlain.
     
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    WWII was Financed by the US and Britain, won by Germany and Japan and fought by Russia
    In what way?
    Again, if Hitler wanted a "free hand" to attack USSR why didn't he just free it up himself?

    It's true that Churchill wanted badly to continue fighting the Germans and this was because as he put it. "You don't ask a tiger for terms while your head is in the Tiger's mouth" But what you're saying is the Tiger was really trying to eat the goat next to the one he had started on and all the goat had to do was stop bleating in distress for all to be well


    Yet another book about WWII that makes no sense unless we assume that Hitler was really monstrously misunderstood instead of just a fracking monster.
     
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    Well....you're already wrong.

    No "30+ million" Russians died....Ostap Bendera.....half those #s are Ukranians Balts,Stan's and anyone else the asiatic razguls managed to find and throw at the German meat grinder.

    There should be American troops displayed at these "victory parades" also.....so your claim the SU defeated the Germans solely on their own is hollow at best.

    Opening of second front and massive lendlease saved Russkis backside.....otherwise if Moskolia faced all of German might on its own....most Russkis would've been lampshades in German homes....:)).
     
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    I love the parade, especially the march 'The Sacred War', and how It reflects the solemnity of a large and Godless Soviet Union, forced to fight and defend itself from an invading and murderous oppressor. How different from the upbeat conquering attitude of the pagan Prussian ones, which in themselves are also lovely.

    This is a shorter version of the parade.


     
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    This might be true where you live (wherever that may be), but it's complete nonsense.
    Professional historians are extremely aware of Russia's contributions in WW II and the role the Eastern front played in bringing Hitler to his knees, and what you call "official narrative" only exists in your head. One needs to be painfully simple minded to come up with garbage like that.
     
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    Hitler destroyed Europe and together with the bombings of the RAF and US, it was thrown into the stone age. Yet Stalin is the one condemned for not restoring the sovereignty of the lands they freed.

    As for Russia, it's funny how Lenin is rarely mentioned, yet he was the revolutionist that formed the policies that killed off 40 million Russians, and are still causing immense sufferings - especially in Ukraine.
     
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    Was it obvious, or is it projection? I'm sure Hitler would have assumed that was the Soviets intent, since he had designs on grabbing the rich black soil of Ukraine and Russia to feed Germany's ever growing population.

    Those client states could only be established through civil strife, protests and civil wars, much in the same way that Soros has been trying to do through his Open Society Foundation in countries these past decades.

    I read the 'supremacists' and 'exceptionalists' all left Russia to join the junta in Kiev. So I don't know what you mean by fascism. Are you talking about the New Constitution voted on by the majority of the Russian people? Are you saying it is fascist, since it doesn't serve the interests of some minority groups?

    What about majority rule? Isn't that what constitutes democracy?
     
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    Not simple minded, but aware of the propaganda fed people in nations like Poland. The propaganda and lies are deliberate, and meant as an insult and provocation towards Russia.


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    Unlike some others in our sphere,
    to me Russia is: 'Mother Dear'.

    So if you try to break her heart
    and vilely try to grab a part,

    through devious means with lies and guile
    which as we know is your style,

    then also know you'll suffer ill
    and find it a very bitter pill.

    As others have who came before
    and didn't know what was in store

    for them - Jeannette


     
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    Below is a video of Putin's May 9, 2021 Victory Parade Speech


    Russian soldiers look awesome!






    Below is a quote from Putin's speech.


    His timeline appears to be a little off in the first paragraph?

    Who specifically is he referring to in the last paragraph?


    It has been almost 100 years since the time when the abominable Nazi beast was gaining insolence and predatory strength in Central Europe. The slogans of racial and ethnic supremacy, anti-Semitism and Russophobia were becoming more and more cynical. Agreements designed to stop the landslide towards a world war were easily broken off.

    History demands that we learn from it. Unfortunately, attempts are made to deploy a large part of Nazi ideology and the ideas of those who were obsessed with the delusional theory of their own supremacy.

    This ideology is not only supported by radicals and international terrorist groups of all kinds. Today we are witnessing the surviving members of those killing squads and their followers trying to rewrite history and justify the traitors and criminals whose hands are smeared with the blood of hundreds of thousands of civilians.



    Go to link for entire speech

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/65544

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    You often refer to "asiatic razguls"


    "Razgul" = Nazgul ??


    Check this out:

    RT.com news article below is about the - flaming eye of Dark Lord Sauron - being lit over Moscow's towering business center.

    Notice this "eye of Sauron" appears to be on top of Putin's "genetic code" DNA strand "Evolution Tower."



    Real-life 'Eye of Sauron'
    will open up over
    Moscow skyscraper tower



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    https://img.rt.com/files/news/33/e2/f0/00/moscow-small.jpg


    8 Dec, 2014


    " The Eye of Sauron now is not just fiction it will light up the skyline of Moscow-City to ominously watch down on the Russian capital...

    The light installation of the perilous Eye engulfed in flames will be set up on the roof of the IQ-quarter complex at the Gals-development company in Moscow International Business Center "Moscow-City". "

    https://www.rt.com/news/212527-eye-sauron-moscow-scyscraper/

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    Hitler hated marxists because they were usurping, perverting and destroying Christian Germany [during the weak Weimar Republic] just as they had done to Christian Russia.

    Hitler tried his best to liberate Christian Russia from evil perverted antichrist church-destroying mass-murdering Stalin.

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    Massively simple minded and idiotic because the "official narrative" the OP talks about doesn't exist, whatever Polish "propaganda" says is not the "officlal narrative" of western media. Too complicated, it seems. Unfortunatley, as so many times, you replied to something that wasn't mentioned. If you cannot reply to what others actually said, seems very obvious that you can't, please don't reply to me at all. Not interested in people with lousy reading comprehension, silly gifs and childish poems. Ta.
     
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    To the simple minded everything is simple minded. Ta!



    (My apologies to William Shakespeare)

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    To reason or not to reason
    that is the question.

    How can'st one reason
    where knowledge is not,
    when reasoning itself
    requires a lot
    - Jeannette

     
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    thinking the americans did most of the work now thats hollow and pretty arrogant at best, the russians did by far the most fighting eitherway
    lend lease was mostly send in 1943-44 so after the batle of stalingrad & moscow where finished, at that point the germans where already loosing without L&L being a factor
    by the time the americans landed in d-day the germans already got kicked out of ukraine & where back in poland. the germans lost any offensive capability after the battle of kursk wich was a full year before d-day
     
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    We are talking about POTEMKIN Russian Democracy.
    It's not much different to the previous Marxist Leninist Democracy
    where everyone gets to vote for members of the Communist Party.
    You know this as well as anyone else does.
     
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    Germany was defeated by Hitler's stupidity. Russians absolutely have a right to celebrate their victory seeing how hard they fought and how many they lost due to Hitler's megalomania.
     
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    Technically speaking WWII 'started' FOR THE WEST when Germany invaded an ally
    of Britain and France. Being a Nazi you could say that you didn't declare war on England
    and France at all. But from a Western perspective the invasion of Poland began the
    Second World War.
    And technically, WWI really started when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and we had for
    the first time a true global war.
     
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    That's true, but it's not the whole story. Hitler also wanted Russian land
    and resources.
    But we could be thankful that in invading Russia, Hitler brought America
    into the fray, and prevented Europe from going Communist (either through
    Russia directly, or revolutions.)
     
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    US president FDR sent BILLIOINS [over 11 BILLION total - lend-lease] in military aid and hardware [trucks, tanks, planes, etc ] to maxist Stalin to keep the evil antichrist church-destroying mass-murdering marxists in power... and allow Stalin's marxists to occupy and enslave half of Europe !!

    In other words, FDR used 11 billion in US taxpayers money to prevent Hitler from liberating Russia from the evil antichrist marxists and allow the evil antichrist marxists to occupy and destroy half of Europe for decades after WW2.

    US forces who captured Russians fighting along side Germans to try to liberate their Russian homeland from evil antichrist church-destroying mass-murdering marxist Stalin... were turned over as POWs to marxist Stalin who executed them.

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