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In a rare moment - akin to a clock being right twice a day I think you are correct - which is probably why there was no pushback when Russia got into the war.

While other Nations such as Turkey, El Saud, and Qatar may have wanted IS to take over - not the US I don't think. The purpose IMO was to destabilize Syria - as Afghanistan has been destabilized - which is one explanation for why the US was willing to lead the coalition of the willing in a massive effort to arm, support, and supply Al Qaeda and ISIS .

Regardless of what the reason was - and perhaps one day we will find out - The US armed, supplied, and supported an Al Qaeda/Al Nusra - Islamist Jihadist insurgency in Syria in 2011

With massive military and financial aid, supplies and support from the West and allies - insurgency took over most of Syria by 2013 - and formed a new Islamic State. The numerous groups that were fighting initially had coalesced under two factions in this new Islamic State Al Qaeda/Al Nusra controlled areas - and ISIS controlled areas.

This new Islamic State was horror for the people living under it - daily executions, genocide, war crimes, rape , forced marriage, war crimes, crimes against humanity. Millions of people fled - creating massive refugee crisis. Persecution of Christians and other groups was rampant - a special tax put on them like Hitler did the the Jews...

The world was horrified as videos of atrocities were all over the internet - Posted by IS - advertising the glory of their Holy War against Secularism.

Things had gotten way out of hand - and it was an open secret that the US was covertly supporting this new Islamic State. In 2014 - Obama's proxy army in Syria went off its leash and went into Iraq .. creating a problem - we were supporting IS in Syria but had to fight them in Iraq.

Publicity had increased due to Iraq - and it was no longer a secret that the US has been supporting the Rebels from the beginning of the war - the rebels which was now the Islamic State.

Obama needed cover - and thus the "Moderate Rebel Lie" was unleashed - and covert support became Overt - for 2 more years till the time Russia entered the war in late 2015.

At this point Assad was on the ropes -and IS was close to winning - and Syria was a disaster - foreign policy gone horribly wrong.

Fortunately - both for Syria and for the US - Russia/Syrian Army/Iran was able to defeat IS in Syria - except in Raqqa because this was in the US protected Region .. and so the Syrian Army/Russia could not go there.

In 2017 - after ISIS had been defeated everywhere else by Russia/Syrian Army - the US- now under Trump - turned on its allies - the ones it was previously protecting - and took out Raqqa with the help of the Kurds.

Trump then lied his face off - as Trump likes to do - and claimed that he had defeated ISIS- Al Qaeda in Syria.

 

The US and Western powers did not back ISIS, they backed the Syrian opposition in a hope to overthrow Assad and the extremists got some of that backing and were the most successful of the rebel groups. They're now practically gone and the pro-Western rebels are in the ascendant, hopefully they will topple Assad and create a free and democratic Syria as the West hopes.

 

Indeed they did - as stated by the DIA - Obama - Biden - Congress - the Media.

The Western Powers were backing the Islamic State.

DIA

https://levantreport.com/tag/robert-ford/

The "opposition" we are supporting - at the time in 2012 at the beginning of the war - was Al Qaeda/Al Nusra - (mentioned by name in case you didn't know what AQI meant) and other Islamist Jihadist Spawn of Al Qaeda and your beloved El Saud. These groups went on to create a new Islamic State - who we supported for many years after its declaration in 2013.

You have been shown this - many times - you agreed that the DIA was not lying. Why are you engaging in this contradictory self deception .. returning to your own vomit - pretending it is not vomit ?



You contradict yourself.

 

Yes, the West backed the Syria opposition and nearly a decade ago ISIS/AQ were part of that and exploited the aid. Now they've been purged and defeated by those fighting for Syrian democracy. I contradict nothing, you just support Assad's dictatorship and do not want a free Syria.

 

Finally you have got it .. indeed we did back the Syrian Opposition - which was the Islamic State .. comprised both of ISIS and AQ .. for many many years - while they were committing horrible atrocities with the arms and power we gave them .. yet .. we continued for years and years after it was well known what kind of monster we were supporting.

So nasty that 15 bipartisan in congress stood up .. ran against the herd of stampeding neocon bulls - and tabled the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act"
after everything came out .. as expected .. it was a bloody affair ..for the 15 bipartisan..

but what now ? Obama is guilty of serious war crimes - along with these other nations - crimes against Humanity in Syria .. Clinton and Biden were there too.

Right now we are being investigated for complicity in war crimes/ crimes against humanity in Yemen - for which Trump sanctioned the ICC - sanctioned members of the international criminal court - for investigating these crimes..

Will Biden maintain these sanctions you think ? Just wait until Syria comes out .. as the crime and guilt is way worse .. never mind "Complicity" .. this was full on aiding and abetting .. and knowingly so.

After the first year of the war there was no doubt in anyone's mind who the opposition was .. and what they consisted of .. many names .. but all the same Saudi inspired Al Qaeda spawn .. who had coalesced into the new Islamic State by 2013 .. controlled every city - fought every battle with Assad -

This is a huge elephant in the room Bob .. this is one of the reasons Flynn is so hated .. he was head of the DIA back in early 2012 when this department was telling the Obama Admin .. these guys are who you are arming .. bad idea.. Islamist Jihadists .. the vast majority.

This was early on .. when there was still some hope of moderates. That hope died off shortly after - when it became readily apparent who these folks were in 2012 for anyone who was following at the time .. like I was .. and posting at the time .. Bob.

and if there was any doubt .. In 2013 a new Islamic State was Declared .. which controlled all of Syria that Assad did not have.. The Kurds also fighting on the same side as Assad - against ISIS .. but a separate entity. These were the moderates that the US refused to support at this time .. Americans were going over to fight with the Kurds .. fight against IS who had taken everything else in Syria .. the famous women fighters .. that we refused to support that Obama refused to support .. too busy he was arming and supporting IS.

There is no "Ooops" I didn't know after this point .. and that was not knowing what we do now .. not having the declassified stuff from the DIA who we know now was telling Obama this ... very early on.

As of 2013 - the whole world knew who the "Rebel'" were .. it was the new Islamic State that these rebels had all just formed.

You don't seem to get this part ... searched and searched you did for some Moderates .. your own links refuted your hope - all turning out to be IS..

At the time there was no reason to hide any of this .. as US support was still Covert. Which is why the NY-Times was writing stories entitled "No Moderate Rebels"

Once the support became "Overt" - and the "Moderate Rebel Lie" was the False Narrative du jour coming out of the Whitehouse - the NY-Times completely forgot its previous reporting .. and stumped for the State Sponsored Propaganda Narrative.

But that's how it goes .. was like that during the Reagan/Daddy Bush era when we were supporting death squad dictators in Central America - the topic of Manufacturing Consent "The Political Economy of the Mass Media" - Chomsky .. or you can just watch the film on Youtube.

So Bob .. time to wake up and smell the flatus

 

"Political Economy of the Mass Media" - Chomsky

Is this the same Chomsky who admitted knowing nothing about how
economies work?
This same media was uniformly condemning of Trump. Wot went wrong?

 

The conversation is not about Chomsky to begin with -and it certainly is not about economics - and nor is the book referenced - and movie - neither of which you have read or seen - hence why you do not understand the use of the term in "Economy" in the Title.

but - none of any of this has anything to Do with Obama leading a large coalition of nations to arm, support and supply the Islamic State in Syria. ..

and nor does Trump have anything to do with this issue .. so blather off now .. until you have something remotely coherent to say. .. and preferably something on topic.

 

So, on one side the Americans fight ISIS, and on the other they support ISIS.
These sort of nonsensical situations are often believed upon by conspiracy
theorists.

 

Just because you have no clue what you are talking about - and in wild denial of reality - is no reason to cry "Conspiracy"

But - if indeed this is a conspiracy theory .. then a whole lot of folks have been lying to you. DIA, 15 in Congress who put forward the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" an a gazillion other sources .. including Obama, Biden, and a gazillion news outlets covering the war in Syria.

You claiming that all these organizations and people were in some grand conspiracy to implicate the US in arming Al Qaeda/ISIS .. supporting and supplying the war effort against Assad .. makes you in fact the conspiracy theorist .. and a wild conspiracy at that.

So quit trying to project these wild fantasies you have onto others - por favor.

 

Oh I smell YOUR flatus alright. Barack Obama is NOT a war criminal, any more than Clinton, Biden or Trump are. The US and the West backed the Syria opposition and AQ/ISIS took advantage of that, taking the backing for the Syrian opposition just as the Communist resistance took the backing of the Allies in WW2. The US and the rest of the Western Allies want a free and democratic society in Syria, not ISIS which they have successfully defeated. Please dispute this if you will?

When the facts are on your side argue the facts, when the law is on your side argue the law, when neither is on your side, scream and shout and pound the table. When you don't even have that, break out the emojis.

 

Indeed Obama presided over war crimes - as did Clinton and Biden. Trump - not so much.

The facts are not on your side - to the contrary - you are in desperate denial of the fact that the Opposition that the West Backed was Al Qaeda and later the new Islamic State that formed because of our backing of these Islamist Jihadists - who wanted to bring Strict Sharia Theocracy to Syria .. and not freedom and Democracy.

and once again - it was Russia and the Syrian Army who defeated the Islamic State in every major city Syria but one - Raqqa - and that was because the US was preventing the Russia/Iran/Assad forces from taking Raqqa.

Once Russia and Syria had taken back Syria - The US then turned on their allies in 2017 - and attacked the last remaining city held by the IS.

Sorry Bob - Obama is indeed a war criminal .. and should be locked up with Hillary ! Lock Her UP !!

 

No, neither Obama or Hilary are war criminals, the West wants a free and democratic Syria and backed the Syrian opposition, some of whom turned out to be extremists but as you have just admitted, they then crushed. Assad and Putin, they ARE war criminals. Come on, you don't believe in a free and democratic Syria, do you? You believe in Assad's tyranny.

 

LOL .. not some - There was no moderate rebel anti Assad fighting force - and all your attempts to find such a fighting force have failed miserably - the folks you came up with turned out to be radical Islamist Jihadists fighting for the Islamic State.

Don't feel bad though - Obama couldn't find any Moderates either - as proven by previous links.

It is not me who is apologizing for and voicing support for the Islamic State - claiming they are for "Freedom" when the reality is that they want Strict Sharia Theocracy - that would be you .. and Obama and his "Moderate Rebel Lie"

 

Yes of course he did, that's who the Syrian opposition who developed and crushed AQ/ISIS were. Good luck to them.

 

That was not Anti Assad Opposition - Nor was this during the first 5 years of the war .. when Obama was an ally of the Islamic State.

You have been told this 10 times - but your brain can not deal with this reality .. so you keep repeating the same stuff and over again that has already been proven false - like a parrot on a broken record.

Switching sides at the end of the war - From being allied with ISIS in Syria to fighting ISIS in Syria - is what Obama did.

Do you think Obama and Hillary should be locked up for arming, and supporting Al Qaeda/ISIS - an act which resulted in war crimes .. crimes against humanity .. as in Yemen.

American Officials on the Hook for War Crimes in Yemen
https://www.insideover.com/war/american-officials-on-the-hook-for-war-crimes-in-yemen.html

Lock them up !!

 

Obama backed the Syrian opposition, they contained elements of extremists who got their hands on some of the weapons. The Syrian opposition now defeated them and are fighting to remove Assad, why do you not wish them to succeed?

What war crimes in Yemen? Backing the anti-Houthi forces to stop them turning the country into another Iran?

 

You are engaging in self deception - we have covered this 10 trying to pretend that the Kurds were the Anti Assad Rebels which took over the country 2011-2013 ..

This is completely false and you know it is completely false - because you can not handle the Fact that Obama armed, supported and Supplied a terrorist Proxy Army.

The anti Houthi Forces in Yemen is our beloved Al Qaeda .. and how is Yemen turning in to Saudi Arabia better than it turning into Iran ?

Why are you so desperate to apologize for your Beloved El Saud - and its Al Qaeda Spawn ?

 

Because what you're saying is arrant nonsense, Barack backed a wide range of Syrian opposition, the extremists took advantage but have now been crushed. The anti-Houthi forces are not AQ, just a coalition trying to prevent Iran being able to hold the world to ransom.

 

This is what the DIA - Congress - Biden and numerous other said. What is "Nonsense" is you previously saying you do not think these folks were lying .. but now you contradict what was claimed by these sources.

You had no clue who Obama backed until I showed up .. and the only anti Assad groups you have been able to find so far were Al Qaeda/ISIS and affiliates.

So which is it -- Was the DIA, Congress, Biden lying - in some grand conspiracy to frame Obama - or were they not ?

 

They weren't lying, you just want to create the impression that Obama deliberately backed extremists. My counter is that he backed the Syrian opposition as a whole and they took advantage of that. Pop along to the Opinion Polls forum where we're discussing Yemen.

 

Obama did deliberately back extremists - for many many years - which is exactly what the DIA and the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" states Directly.

You are in contradiction with yourself - have seen video's of the State Department apologizing for Al Qaeda Affiliates - and completely failed to find any anti Assad Moderates .. and basic logic tells us that if there was no significant moderate fighting force - then all those weapons had to be going somewhere else.

Then we have the "Moderate Rebel Lie" - A claim that our own DIA and media - and Joe Biden for that matter - had demonstrated to be false - prior to the claim even being made.... after which Obama goes Searching for Moderates - as the once covert program to support the rebels turns overt .. but he doesn't find any.

Are you getting this mate ? ding ding ding ? anyone home ? This is History .. not conjecture - all your attempts to avoid this reality have failed horribly .. yet you continue to deny the facts before you.

 

And here are the facts, Obama did not deliberately back AQ/ISIS, they have now been defeated by the US and their moderate Syrian rebels allies, the US is seeking a free and democratic Syria, why aren't you?

 

This is not the facts - this is your made up story that you desperately want to believe - but in Reality "The Fact" is that Obama deliberately backed AQ/IS for 5 years.

You then go on to repeat the Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie" - as if this has not been proven false - at least 10 times already - Even by VP Joe Biden !!

Was Smoken Joe Lying when he told us there were no Moderates in 2014.

You are lost in the land of self deception.

 

Answer my question, do you back the US in their support of the moderate Syrian rebels in order to topple the dictator Assad and establish a free and democratic society?

 

There are no Moderate anti Assad rebels in Syria wanting a free and democratic society. The Rebels wanted Strict Sharia Theocracy ... not 'Freedom and Democracy"

US was supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS - and for sure I do not support this. I support the people of Syria were fighting for a free and democratic Syria - fighting against the US supported Islamic State.