Should people who have lost their job due to COVID, unable to pay rent, be evicted?

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Should people who have lost their job due to COVID, unable to pay rent, be evicted?

  1. Yes - Anyone who cant pay should be evicted

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  2. No - This is an unprecedented crisis, and allowances must be made.

    12 vote(s)
    41.4%
  3. Other - Please explain below.

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    20.7%
  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    And yet people do it all the time.

    So nothing to do with the system. If it was the system, no one would ever be able to do it.
     
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    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    Why do you want anarchy?
     
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    Not following you on this. Can you clarify what you mean? How do folks earn less and lose benefits by putting in more time/overtime? Or by saving money?

    I really think the problem is that the accepted norm here is to be ok with having lots of debt. It's way too easy to just buy something you have no business buying, cuz, it's just another monthly payment. Before you know it, those monthly payments add up and you're living paycheck to paycheck, and then for many, the payments start adding up to more than the paychecks, and now you're borrowing even more to "make the month". This is the real problem. Once you're in this perpetual cycle its a mother to get out, and you have no savings to deal with murphys law. Bad place to be, and yet millions of americans are exactly right there.
     
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    What 'mega' corporations received 4 trillion in loans?

    A moratorium on interest, I could accept. Negative interest, no.
     
  5. Collateral Damage

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    So people make a choice to keep their 'benefits' rather than work more and make money. Become self reliant.

    Let's use the proper words, shall we? They are not 'benefits', they are assistance or welfare.

    So why do some people keep trying to tell the rest of us that 'no one chooses to receive welfare'?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if say a single mother works overtime, she could lose child care and welfare benefits like healthcare, so she won't as it would harm her and her children financially

    if say a single mother saves a little her and there and goes above I think it's $5000, she could lose child care and welfare benefits like healthcare, so she won't as it would harm her financially
     
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    yes, people choose not to hurt their children, the problem with welfare is it won't allow people to get out of it without risking harm to their children

    working overtime for a couple weeks, could mean months of no food, loss of healthcare, ect.... for the children

    it's sad that some on the right just want to keep them as cheap labor and make it impossible to escape poverty

    the answer to this is to raise the min wage, so the employer pays them and not the tax payer, pay them a living wage, welfare is the cost of cheap labor
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    between the fed and the tax payer, the mega corps got about 4 trillion - welfare for the mega corps

    I am not for negative interest either, but it really makes the point to the right when you talk about giving it to homeowners vs the banks
     
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    I hope you also have an arsenal of weapons and ammunition to defend that land, water, and everything else that is dear to you. When the 'rat-herd' comes boiling out of the cities, stealing or destroying everything it can lay its hands on, you'll need to band together with other law-abiding citizens for your very survival.

    I used to LAUGH at people who said things like I just wrote in the paragraph above, but after seeing what kinds of convulsions and violent idiocies a significant portion of our population is capable of in the past three months, my advice to others has even more validity:

    "Lock your doors, load your weapons, and mind your own damned business".

    And, if you've got the ammunition to spare, "Two in the chest, and one in the head...." -- the police academy instruction! Otherwise, one round near the liver usually suffices, but takes a bit longer.... 8)
     
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    I agree, the middle class fall into that trap... buying too much on credit

    bk laws were changed by Bush jr, thus creditors now try to trap the young into unsecured debt like credit cards
     
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    people that earn a living wage like you and I, but we were talking about people earning min wage which we were talking about, not so much, unless they put what little they can save it in their mattress

    welfare is the cost of cheap labor, raise the min wage to a living wage and we do not need welfare for people that work full time anymore
     
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    Stupid, irresponsible people bring about their own destruction and it is not (NOT) the job of government to 'save them from themselves'.

    Nobody held a gun to anybody's head and said, "Buy tons of crap you can't afford, and don't need, with credit cards, or we'll blow your brains out!"

    Cities like Portland, San Francisco, and Seattle LOVE and WELCOME irresponsible, stupid people, and THAT is exactly where they should go, with their backpacks and tents, to be with others of their own kind, in a huge drug-drenched, socialist 'Utopia'! :hippie:
     
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    So everyone else is responsible for people's wages, not the person themselves? Exactly what is a 'living wage', and why would it fail? Glad you asked. Calling something a 'living wage' doesn't change what it is. If everyone receives it as a starting wage, then it becomes the minimum wage, and is still the bottom rung on the wage ladder.

    'For the children' has no impact on me, people are responsible for their own children in the basics, and when they cannot support their own children in the basics, then perhaps they should reconsider their life goals. I am not responsible for their decisions in life, and trying to guilt me into it just doesn't work.
     
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    I'll repeat - what mega corps?
     
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    yet, the right has no problem bailing out the banks and the mega corps

    why arn't these mega corps saving money for a rainy day vs giving it to ceo's as bonus's?
     
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    all the ones that got part of that 4 trillion, has Trump given us a list of where all those Trillions went?

    how much went to Trump properties like his golf courses or resorts I wonder?

    do you think Trump and his family got more than you or I?
     
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    And I AGREE with you fully on this! I loathe and despise the big banks, the gigantic 'insider' Wall Street gamblers, and especially this monstrous CENTRAL BANK that rules them all, and everything else in the economy, too -- the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM!

    More than anything else, I hate the U. S. Tax Code that allows the über-wealthy to pay little or nothing in taxation because they can take advantage of loopholes, shelters, exclusions, deductions, exemptions, and other EVASIONS -- legally! And NO Democrat OR Republican is willing to step up and put an END to this!

    I never advocated bailing out Wall Street -- not in 2008, and not NOW, either! A parasite is a parasite IS A PARASITE... no matter whether it is some miserable, gutter-crawling wretch, or a high-flying 'whale' in the stock market!

    Make careful note of the ones who put out propaganda about how someone or something just HAD to be 'rescued" because he/she/them/it was "too big to fail"! The ass-kissing lackeys who promulgate THAT bullshit are the ones who need to be dragged out and 're-educated'.... :icon_fork:
     
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    agree we should not of bailed out the banks or mega corps, I all for helping the people though, and I think the people need less help when the min wage keeps up with inflation, which it has not

    I also did not support our endless wars

    the downfall of America started under Bush and continues to this day, not sure it matters who we elect in 2020, I think the writing is already on the wall, we are gonna go BK just like Russia did - so at this point, I say print the money and hand it out, as there is nothing more that can be done, when Trump leaves office the debt will be around 30 Trillion dollars, that is insane, we can't recover from that
     
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    what I have to wonder is where is all this money going, the gov and the fed have been dumping trillions into the economy, but the people are not benefiting from the trickle down like they should, the only thing that could mean is most of that money is going overseas via foreign outsourcing or foreign imports
     
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    So the answer is no, you have no idea who got what money, but it sounds good to say it went to mega corporations, eh?
     
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    Thanks, I get what you are saying now.
    So where is the father of this single mother's children? Let's put his ass to work.
     
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    I don't - that's why I've done nothing to bring it on.

    I'm not your problem, Dear. It's those who precipitated the forthcoming anarchy via their freely chosen actions.
     
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    Fear not, Grasshopper. I'm in a nation of No Guns .. AND our land is 'disguised', so would not be of interest to those looking. We will also always have good dogs .. the best insurance you can get, IMO.
     
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    Probably not working cause child support would take all his money, so he also is on welfare as he could not afford to live if he worked

    it's a catch 22 for many

    I think had the min wage kept up with inflation we would have been a lot better off today than we are as a nation, corporatism is destroying our nation
     
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    Raising wages won't make a jot of difference to people determined to blow all their money every week. They'll just blow more.

    Run a few trials and see what happens. Give 100 of your poorest neighbours $40k each, and tell them that's their lot for the year. Let us know what percentage of that 100 made the smart choice, and lived on the $20k they normally live on (but actually reduced it to $15k by eliminating all spending beyond rice & beans), then invested that extra $25k and turned it into $30k.

    After all, you bleeding hearts tell us these people are all very keen to escape poverty, and are just waiting for a lucky break to start practising self-discipline.
     

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