Should people who have lost their job due to COVID, unable to pay rent, be evicted?

at least they will have the option to save, acting like people not earning a living wage today would not be better off earning a living wage is not realistic

so if they earn enough to save, they won't, so we shouldn't pay them enough that they can save

 

And, even in the event that the hypothetical 'poor neighbor' doesn't blow his $40k, after the government just DISHES IT OUT in that kind of volume, it will cause horrific inflation on a scale not seen anywhere in ninety years!

Some people don't believe that, but I KNOW, firsthand, what hyperinflation looks like. I'm an old guy who can remember the "Stagflation" of the 1970's very easily! Too much "money" chasing too few "goods" is a big cause!

And yes, when today's 'little darlings' get their government welfare money and go to the store, only to find that prices have shot up on many things -- nearly every time they go to the store -- they'll just whine and cry and want 'Uncle Sugar' to give them even MORE.

One good thing about being an old guy is, 'you've seen all this before'... and, one bad thing about being an old guy is, 'you've seen all this before'....

. "And the Fed said they'll print it as fast as I spend it!"

 

yes, they will squander it.

the fed prints money to drug addicts, it is all connected. they are all drug dealers who supply vaccinations, welfare, and free lunches.

 

too late, the right's giveaway to the rich and the mega corps is gonna cause inflation unlike we have ever seen before, that is if the economy doesn's go bk first

Trump has borrowed almost 10 Trillion in the last four years, what do we have to show for it?

 

How would an able bodied man be able to get welfare? I have no idea how one would go about that. When I couldn't afford to live on the money I was making I worked harder and longer and made more money.

As for minimum wage, it has nothing to do with the poor or being poor. If a minimum wage job does not pay the bills get a higher paying job.

 

So are you saying that the majority will save? Because welfare is never a kindness if that's not what's happening. Unless the majority are translating assistance into independence - which is the very reason for provision of welfare - it's doing far more harm than good. Give a man a fish, and you disable and control him - that's not an act of love. Teach him to fish and you demonstrate genuine care.

As for your second sentence .. no we absolutely shouldn't. Not in the form the disablers and controllers want (feeding the man a fish). The ideal is of course, that lump sum. The man is given tools he would not otherwise have access to, by being provided with enough to make wise investments and work towards his independence.

Consider. If every individual now earning $20k was given $40k in welfare lump sum... those who are genuine about escaping poverty could immediately tuck away $25k of that in a high yielding investment, and at the same time decrease their expenditure to $15k. At the end of 12 months they might have $30k invested, plus their regular $20k for the following year. So in year two their income is $50k. If they continue living frugally on $15k, then $35k goes to investment .. therefore at end of second year they're up to $40k, plus the following year's $20k .... and so on and so on. In five years the person could buy several cheap rental properties, and still have enough to cover taxes and so on, plus enough rental yield to live on for life. Zero Govt dependence. If you think disabling and control is better than that .. leaving the otherwise determined person forever limited by a fixed low income .. you're not nearly as compassionate as you think you are.

 

So if they need a 'living wage', how about they do something to earn it? It's called increasing their value in the employment marketplace.

Offer to take on more responsibilities. Offer to work a shift that likely pays more. Read up on business practices for the industry they are in (libraries are still 'free'!), make suggestions to management to improve production or increase sales. Take night courses at local colleges if affordable. Audit college courses, usually available at community colleges. Then there is the Tennessee Promise: https://money.cnn.com/2017/05/11/pf/college/tennessee-free-community-college/index.html

Giving people money for no additional value, doesn't change anything.

 

I cannot disagree altogether, because when we mash all the air bubbles out of what have been Trump's big accomplishments through Wall Street, what we see is 'the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer' -- more or less. The stock markets are so grossly overvalued now that the whole economy has turned into a bizarre, macabre scene from a horror movie where everybody is in debt to everybody else -- with no real wealth of their own, and no real ability to pay back their lenders.... To make things even WORSE, in the background is a monstrous central bank that goes right on churning out imaginary money and buying even more essentially valueless paper debt... TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF IT.

My favorite TRUE example of Trump's big, hooptie 'tax cut' of a couple of years ago -- it did actually put about one thousand dollars back in my pocket. Happiness... right? But with his incessant bitching and complaining, the Federal Reserve central bank began crushing interest rates on peoples' savings accounts in banks, S & L's, and credit unions -- even though demand for CASH and CREDIT was very high. Net result -- Trump and his buddies on the Federal Reserve ended up costing me and other people who SAVE money thousands (plural) of dollars. Thank you, Donald Trump!

But, I'm going to have to vote for Trump anyway (gag!) because the alternative, Joe Biden, would be very, VERY much worse. Biden would curse the United States with "Obama 2.0", and that might really, finally, be the END of this country....

 

You ask a fair question, but remember, during the Obama regime -- when most of the bulk of this welfare horseshit kicked into high gear -- all you had to do was make up some flimsy, threadbare concoction of a 'sob-sister' story -- sometimes merely a 'mental' one, get some 'doctor' to go along with it, and, Voilà -- you got put on 'Disability'... forever!

Hint: if you know how to work it, it isn't that hard to get "welfare-for-life' in the United States!

 

agreed, now they are using covid for life time welfare benefits

they all feign disability and work under the table too, obama had no shame.

 

Obama? He WAS the National Shame -- the worst one so far in the 21st-century United States.

And MOBS of people voted for him, and, re-elected him, precisely because his regime successfully shoveled out the welfare in record amounts -- EXACTLY AS AN EARLIER LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT PREDICTED WOULD HAPPEN....

. But Johnson would not have guessed how much White trash would vote for him, too....

 

I agree. But it was government that caused the problem.

 

How does the following check with what you are seeing?

‘Denver in Decay’ Will Capture Another City Rocked by Violence.

The host of “The Steffan Tubbs Show,” heard from 3 p.m. to 7 p.m. on 710 KNUS in Denver, is putting together a new film capturing Denver in the Black Lives Matter era. His documentary “Denver in Decay” chronicles the violence slamming the city in recent months.

Crime in Denver is surging as it is in other cities in the wake of the Floyd protests and riots.

Why have Denver reporters seriously dropped the ball at a critical time in the city’s history? A question we all know the answer to.

 

Nearly all Denver media "news" reporters are just one variety of hyperliberal or another. The worst are to be found at The Denver Post.

Denver has become as big a PESTHOLE as Portland or Seattle anywhere within a mile of the Colorado Capitol building -- but all the American public sees of Denver are scenic views downtown buildings framed against a background of mountains.

But here's what more and more of Denver REALLY looks like --

 

That's what I was afraid of.

 

Every Progressive city eventually ends up like this. Grotesque wealth divide, rampant social decay, and increasing homelessness.

And don't for a moment think they didn't realise their cities would end up like this. Even a child knows that if you make everything easy, the price will be very high for those you made it easy for. In other words, it has to be deliberate.

 

It's been Democrat Party ORTHODOXY since Frankie Roosevelt -- and perfected under Frankie's 'star pupil', Lyndon Johnson!

Create a deep dependency by creating government handout we, and make it clear to those who get 'on' these welfare programs that if they want to keep on getting any of it, and MORE, they'd damned well better keep on voting for DEMOCRATS!

 

Exactly. The manufacture of dependency as a control mechanism, in an era and place where despotism no longer rides.

It's a constant source of amazement to me, that so many 'supporters' are naive enough to think it's accidental.