Should people who lost no income or show a loss during Covid get "relief" money?

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Should people who lost no income or show a loss during Covid get "relief" money?

  1. No

    18 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Yes with an income limit

    9 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Yes and everyone should get it regardless of income

    6 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. No one should be receiving any money

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Because the work an unskilled person can do does not have the same value as the work a skilled person can do.
    Compare, for instance, the guy who rakes your leaves to the guy who operates on your heart.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    This is being taught in schools and in reeducation seminars in businesses and the USG.

    Start here:

    https://www.thoughtco.com/critical-theory-3026623

    Google: "2 + 2 = 5"

    Lot's of hits on both sides.
     
  3. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    People respect janitors and garbage collectors - a lot.
    When brain surgeons are paid a janitor's wage human brains/life will be about as valuable to surgeons as refuse is to the people who have to clean it up.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    How about to get rid of that awful Fascist - DJT? ;-)
     
  5. mentor59

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    Yeah, this was the question, why is it not valued the same?

    There is nothing that stops us from valuing all work of equally. There is nothing mystical that makes us value one job over another. That is a derivative of capitalism. It does not need be so.
     
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    This makes no sense, but thank anyway!
     
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    The skill necessary to perform the work.
    The quality of work necessary to achieve a successful result
    The proportion of the population able to perform said work at an acceptable level.
    When those who rake leaves are paid the same as thoracic surgeons, you will see considerably fewer thoracic surgeons.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    There is a certain kind of intellectual that can easily be led over the edge of reason. They need to dig in their heels - hard and fast.

    “What value is, what sure is, what man is, these questions are taken to be dangerous and shut away again pretty fast. It is said that they open the way to 'anything goes', 'anything is possible', 'all is worthless'. Look, they add, what happen s to the ones who go beyond this limit : Nietzsche taken hostage by fascist mythology, Heidegger a Nazi, and so on .... “ Jean-François Lyotard, The Inhuman, Reflections On Time, Stanford University Press, stanford, California 1991. p. 1.
     
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    Anyone who can imagine that there would be just as many thoracic surgeons and that they would be better at their jobs has risen to a sublime intellectual plane that the rest of humanity will never comprehend. :)
     
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    Or something. :)
     
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    It isn't justifiable for any reason.
     
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    How much revenue does the neurosurgeon bring into the hospital versus the janitor?
    How easily could a neurosurgeon be replaced versus a janitor?
    How much training does a neurosurgeon require compared to a janitor?
    How many people can be neurosurgeon's versus how many can be a janitor?
    What does it cost to become a neurosurgeon versus a janitor?
    What are the repercussions of a neurosurgeon's mistake versus that of a janitor?

    And on and on and on.......
     
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    This has nothing to do with my question. My question was why? Nevermind, you can't even understand the question your are so set on thinking one way.
    If all professions receive the same pay, not just a surgeon and a manual laborer, this would not occur.
    People would more fully gravitate to what they are interested in without remuneration considerations.

    peace
     
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    Sure is. What is teh key? You idea of what reason is?

    Peace
     
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    thanks for the reply

    forget it

    peace
     
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    If you have a coherent argument as to why everyone should make the same money, please do share. Your saying, "nu uh," is without value.
     
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    I never suggested everyone should. Forget it. You can not understand.

    Peace
     
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    I answered your question.
    The fact you do not like, or you do not understand, the answer isn't my problem.
    You apparently have no experience with human nature.
     
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    Nonsense. You are literally the first communist I've ever talked to who believes that everything should cost the same amount of money.
     
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    LOL more bullshit. If they 'fully train' they wouldn't have a shortage. The fact is they can get those H!-B's by lying about not having any 'qualified applicants'. Here is how that works re the fake 'labor shortages' in farming, and for the same ruses in computer and tech jobs those are easy to find too, just look for H1-B scams in the tech industry.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2001/01/silence-fields/

    lol at phony 'conservatives' running around blaming the govt for not training their employees for free and of course sniveling about unions while companies are trying to rig wages in most industries to keep competition down for employees via their 'industry associations and lobbies.
     
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    Trump's opponents have publicly stated that nuclear war, and another economic depression would be better than a Trump second term.
    Why would they hesitate to buy votes or rig elections?
     
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    Start here: 2+2=4

    Peace
     
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    Morality? Love of country? Instead we have greed.
     
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    Which politicians said that? Do you have a link?
     
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    I had to laugh. In truth, I know far more than you in this arena. Far more.
    Peace
     

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