Smooth Transition or Chaos & Obstruction??

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  1. MiaBleu

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    'No path to victory': Trump aides fret about lasting damage from refusal to accept election loss

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...sal-accept-loss-n1247173?cid=eml_nbn_20201109

    So far , plenty of legal action, and obstruction. Seems there are a lot of "settling of scores". The fireings have started.

    How is that presidential or an example of "normal" and dignified accepting of a loss and assisting in the transition of power.

    He is not doing himself any favors. His reputation is ruined due to his behavior over the past four years....and now he is behaving like a cornered animal. His pathology has the potential of being dangerous.

    Meanwhile Biden is behaving presidential. The contrast is startling. He is trying to get things done in preparation for taking the reins inJan.......but is being met with obstruction that is just juvenile andpeetty.

    It is also abuse of power . and we will see more of this dysfunctional behavior in the next while.
     
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    A little-known Trump appointee is in charge of handing transition resources to Biden — and she isn’t budging

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...Q.YNCiDujcTiof_xjnR_uwfrl-zJmrlU3JB1-A0eJJ034


    Sad . She is following Trumps dictum.

    Trump is going to make this transition as difficult as he can. . That is his character and again.....it is about him as opposed to what is best for thenation and its people.

    What a show he is putting on for the world. ( which already sees that he has psychological problems)

    The republicans are terrified of him. and are staying passively quiet. for fear of his rage and revenge.

    There is no leadership and that makes the country vulnerable.
     
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    I asked the same question about the firings and was told that they would lose their jobs in two months anyway as if that makes it okay.

    I was hoping that Trump would be able to understand that our democratic process has worked and the people voted. I really wanted to believe that he would "do the right thing" and act like a leader even in the face of losing the election. I guess I just want to believe in magic.

    It's sad, really. Arguably, one of the highest positions in the world and he's reduced it to petty games.
     
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    To all the people that believe trump's reputation is damaged, you didnt like him before and nothing he could have done different would have changed that. Your opinions dont matter because most of the lot want to destroy what america stands for.
     
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    There is no obstruction. The law states that these things are to be turned over after a new president is confirmed which happens Dec 14. Biden does not even have a transition team yet let alone a cabinet so even if everything was turned over it wouldn't make a difference. We have laws in place to regulate the transition of power for a reason and none are being violated,

    This stupid hit piece is trying to make Trump look bad for not doing things before he is required to do them.
     
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    I have no doubt the orange, obese, moron with the ill-temperament of a spoiled four year old is totally going to put country first and enable a completely professional transition the the adult elected in the 2020 election. It's a lock.
     
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    I am not sure it is him they are terrified. I read that they accept that he is popular so they go along with his little drama because they are afraid that if they do not, it will be taken out on them and they will not be able to get voted in again.
     
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    Nice fantasy.

    Trump was supposed to sign the documents that start the transition.

    So far, he has not, and he's not going to.

    The lawsuits, the temper tantrum, the constant lies, these things are all over the news.

    They paint a picture of someone with psychological problems. Problems that were hard to miss years ago...
     
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    No he wasn't. The electors haven't even chosen a president yet.

    Just wow
     
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    Trump should not concede a stolen election.
     
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    In no time in our history has there been a sitting president who CLEARLY lost by a significant margin decide to cause serious problems for an orderly transition.

    And, that is exactly what he's doing today.

    Law suite after laws suit have gone down in flames. The idea that he can flip enough states to "win" is WAY beyond any credibility.

    There is no evidence of fraud, let alone at the required stupendous multistate fraud that would be required.

    What we're seeing is an assault on our democracy.
     
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    The Secret Service has plans to evict Trump from the White House if he has not left by Inauguration Day. Watching that on live television will be even more delightful than watching the resignation of Nixon.

    trump-straight-jacket600.jpg trump-in-handcuffs.jpg
     
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    Your right wing news source is lying to you. Again.

    After 9/11 they set up a new transition process designed to make sure the president elect was up to speed on security threats. The president elect is also supposed to get his people, there will be thousands, a security clearance.

    This should already have started.

    But.Trump.won't.sign.the.fing.documents to get it rolling..
     
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    White House tells federal agencies to proceed with plans for Trump's February budget in latest sign of defiance

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...9.LJA0G7XOt05nkZGAi2XSw7RfFS8iUa_gPevtKWPTINA


    Trump is NOT planning on leaving. He is determined to destroy as much as he can of the traditional practices so he can remain in power.

    He is behaving like someone that is mentally disturbed. We know he has psych problems........but they are exacerbated now. He is a danger to the democracy of the ;nation. The question remains: are trump supporters ready to surrender the country's democracy to a lunatic and his craziness?? He is behaving like a dictator. whose position is for life. That iswhathe wants. He cannot let go of the power and attention he craves so much ......that fills some psychological void in the man. as his niece wrote: Too much and never enough. She knows f what shespeaks. Anyone that has worked in psychology can see that her assessment is spot on.

    He is behaving like some third world "leader" that cannot handle a transition like this with dignity. The republican are enabling his mental issues and his behavior. at the very least ,he is embarrassing himself and he antion. Somelegacy ......for someone with such image , status, and ego issues. Quite psychopathic. He does not get that the nation, the democracy and the system of democracy are more important than his ego.

    If he BELIEVES he won.........than he is delusional ( psychotic) That is concerning.
     
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    The left destroyed the voting system and this is the aftermath.
     
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    I could be wrong... but if you really want to know what is happening I would suggest going through this website........

    In my opinion this is not somebody to mis-underestimate!?


    https://stevepieczenik.com/


    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    That is my opinion as well! What is really at stake here is voter integrity not only now in 2020 but also in 2024, 2028 and on and on and on......

    There is no other way to straighten out something that began about two centuries ago........ in England actually....

    Can we learn about the Washington Swamp from the Ottawa Swamp?

    .....

    We Canadians truly want to be ethical neighbours but we really did act out of ignorance of the big picture back at the time of the American Revolutionary War..... and the events preceding it.....

    Do we Canadians owe America an apology for 1750 - 1783?


    Exactly!!!




     
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    This has the makings of a comedy classic in the hands of a talented screenwriter. 40 years from now people will see the movie on TCM and see it as an over the top farce and think, that's impossible the country would never elect a buffoon like that.
     
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    When is he required to?
     
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    When is he required by law to transition?
     
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    Funny isn't.. we may go from the demcrat president getting bjs in the oval office to a dem president giving bjs in the oval office.
     
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    There is nothing blocking Biden from preparing his team and there is enough work internally to keep things moving till whatever happens with Trump happens. It looks as if the DNC doesn't want this thing examined very closely.
     
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    No surprise there. He made it clear before the election he might decide to stay.
    He wants to remain in power. He sees himself as a DemiGod.

    Yes, both his supporters and the Republican Party.

    Early on in his Presidency when he was talking about a Dictator he said he thought that was not a bad idea. He also was throwing out the idea to his fans that he might do more than two terms. Trump will do what he can get away with. That is the only question to him.

    He believes he can get a win. If the video below is right he may be right. He could lose the election and legally stay in the WH and the first part of that is to do what noone has done before - refuse to concede.

     
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    Look up the presidential translon act of 1963 and the Kaufman amendment.
     
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    I have and do you know what it says?

    That the president isn't legally required to do anything but show up on inauguration day. There was no transition stuff until after Kennedy and they were all OK with it. Why the whining now?

    Besides that act also states there is to be no transition if electoral votes are in dispute so Trump technically isn't allowed to do anything yet.
     
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    The president is expected to act in the best interests of the country. It wasn't thought a requirement was needed. Clearly they were wrong.
     
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