So why in God's name is the US not banning travel from UK to stop new strain?

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  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, possibly the opposite. Restricting travel early in the scare was to buy time to figure out what was going on.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think the March restrictions were ever lifted. They just added more restrictions since the "new strain" was announced.
     
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    Well I would have thought that this new strain would be considered a NEW scare.
     
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    But nothing between March and now?
     
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    Not really. I am a fatalist. We are all going to likely get it, including the folks getting jabs.
     
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    That's what the media says.
     
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    I haven't kept up with travel restrictions much, but since you posted this thread, I checked out the U.S. and U.K. government travel sites. It appears restrictions were put in place in March and no change until about a week ago with the new strain.
     
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    Like I said, it's absurd baloney. Don't further waste your time, my friend.
     
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    RT-PCR tests although not all created equally, are incredibly specific when they have multiple targets (three is best; two is fine; one can be insufficient) and target unique sequences in the SARS-CoV-2 RNA genes, which has been completely sequenced already. See for example this post of mine mentioning what each test targets:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/be-very-afraid.581537/#post-1072336237

    These claims betray a profound ignorance of modern virology. Be my guest and listen to these quacks if you want. I know better.

    We haven't isolated the SARS-CoV-2 virus? LOL, nothing can be more absurd than this. Do these people even understand genomic sequencing??? And how in the hell do they suppose that a vaccine that uses a whole inactivated virion, like many of the ones being made in China and India, are made? What do they think is a whole virion? LOL.

    Yep, your "good" Dr. Cowan is DEFINITELY not a virologist, as his baseless rant easily demonstrates. Now, rapid tests that recognize antigens which are protein fragments, can indeed show false positives and some cross-reactivity. But get a 3-target positive RT-PCR essay (or a 2-target), and if it's positive, yep, what that patient got is Covid-19.
     
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    I'm less concerned with the England variant. The South African one, the jury is still out. Currently South African scientists are doing neutralizing essays with the serum of people who had the previous infection and people who had the vaccines, to verify if the virus has succeeded in evading the vaccines. We'll know soon.
     
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    If it means more lockdowns, is that not a scare?
     
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    ~ In general people are well past the "scare" stage and are now in or about to enter the "pissed" stage. Reality has a way if sneaking up on us.
     
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    I hope you're right, but there are still many scared silly walking around with masks on.
     
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    I'd call the lockdowns crimes against humanity, more than just a scare.

    Anyway, Johnson of the UK just overnight issued the third national lockdown. No one is going anywhere until at least February. Most people won't even be able to travel between countries within the U.K.
     
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    Without a bunch of research I don’t know if their claim centrifugal technique hasn’t been employed to “isolate” SARS-CoV-2 is true. But if it hasn’t, it’s not because it can’t be done. It’s because it’s not necessary. That technology was popular from the 1980’s through the early 2000’s. I believe by 2011 or so the technique really fell out of favor. I am going mostly off memory here so I may have dates incorrect. But the advent of PCR technology and better techniques for producing electron micrographs makes the older methods unnecessary. We can “photograph” virons infecting cells. And watch the cells die and release new virons. We can compare the physical structure of the virus of interest to known viruses. We have learned how to isolate from cell cultures without centrifuge, resulting in less damage to the isolate and less contamination.

    Here is the method used by the CDC to “isolate” this virus.
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article
    Just because it’s different than the technique the guys in the video clearly prefer doesn’t mean it’s not valid. It addresses all the analogies they use with caffeine etc.

    Without a lot more detail, the best way I can explain my position is this. Let’s say you want proof your teams mascot was at the last game you didn’t attend. You say you will accept video evidence the mascot was there. So I hand you a thumb drive containing that evidence. You hand it back without attempting to view it on any device and tell me you will only accept non digital media and only beta max tape specifically. That’s kind of what these guys are attempting.

    Just a note on the contaminate issue. If the 93 identical primers they say exist in the human chromosomes really were contaminates able to “confuse” a PCR test, then nearly every PCR test would be positive. Also, positive results would not vary with time from symptom onset if the virus didn’t exist and the genetic material “discovered” by the PCR test was human origin. There are just too many little details like that which blow up their hypothesis for me to take it seriously.
    I’m very happy with electron micrographs comparing novel viruses to known viruses, cytopathic effect observations, viron specimen collections from real time observed infected cells, genomic identifiers like PCR, etc. as evidence the virus is real. I don’t need the beta max tape. But that’s just me. Hopefully someone with the equipment and spare time produces the beta max tape.

    You know I’m opposed to misinformation on C19 and spend a lot of time trying to remedy it. There are a lot of lies out there and a lot of fact twisting aimed at creating dependence on government and eroding rights. But I think this is a distraction intended to take our focus off those other attempts. That’s my opinion on the existence of this theory.
     
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    Yeah, so best not to enter that stage, right? So therefore all travel from the UK should be banned to prevent the new strain.
     
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    So then a travel ban against the UK is already in place! I'm totally confused, because there has been debate about whether a UK travel ban should be implemented! Fauci was asked, and he said that we "shouldn't overreact."
     
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    How would vaccinated people get it?
     
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    Well if the March restrictions were never lifted, and even MORE restrictions have been added since the new strain was announced, then why are people from the UK allowed to enter today after testing negative? The March restrictions simply banned travel completely.
     
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    There was never a "total" ban on travel from any country. Necessary travel for work has always been an exception. I'm not sure how "necessary" is formally defined, but we have tens of millions of people who are legal migrant workers with green cards as well as foreign students here on Visas, plus foreign diplomats/consultants are probably allowed.
     
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    New virus. New vaccine. They have a "theory" that vaccinated people may be prevented from getting severe Covid, but not from getting infected and spreading the virus to others. Only time will tell if that is a valid theory or not.
     
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    Strange because they are recommending that people who have had it still get the vaccine.
     
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    And do you know if the excepted people have since March had to test negative before entering? Or is that possibly the new added restriction? Perhaps before the excepted people didn't have to test negative.
     
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    Who is "they?"
     
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    Can you still remember the entry ban against China at the beginning of the pandemic? Nice and good and understandable in itself ... of course, all Americans and those with a valid green card were allowed to come back from China. But ... did anyone test these 40,000 or so returnees with US passports / valid visas / green cards for Corona when entering the USA at the airports at that time?

    Sure ... there were no quick tests back then as they are now and at best they measured whether someone had a fever and if one did not have clear symptoms of illness that the blindest agent from customs / border control had recognized them, one was waved through upon entry into the USA!
    The only problem is that everyone still knew back then that it takes 10 to 14 days until the corona disease breaks out after the infection, but the whole time you are the mother ship of the virus and you can infect everyone else without knowing that you have the virus.

    How do you solve the whole problem for hundreds of years of experience with epidemics and pandemics in the world? The key word is quarantine ... so here then 14 days of quarantine with a total ban on contact for all returnees. But of course "Her Majesty Donald I" in the White House did not come up with this idea ... it was easier to spread this bullshit of conspiracies of the WHO, China, Bill Gates, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck against the USA instead than your own Inability to admit as POTUS.
     

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