So you think you're safe because you're not old? ...Wrong!

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Forget about the official number of dead (which is probably undercounted anyway). Think about the patients who survived. You may survive. But you will have long lasting... maybe life-long health problems.

    Only about 43% to 53% of young people who were hospitalized have been able to go back to work. Neurological cognitive problems have been found in 36% to 45% of patients after being released from the hospital. Young patients have died even weeks after having been released. Lung disease, heart problems, blood clots.... on previously healthy patients are quite common. We don't know how long these will last. Some estimates say that they could be life-long problems. But they are most definitely serious.

    Children have been found to experience immunity deficiency diseases, and learning disabilities. Even in those who were asymptomatic.

    And that's not even considering the post-traumatic psychological toll in patients who required long term treatment. Including delirium in one third of ICU patients, which is a sign that they will experience future cognitive disabilities.

    So if you think that you can play around with this virus because you are not in the 65+ population... read the facts.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/2764549
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3539890/
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763524?resultClick=1
    https://www.vox.com/2020/5/1/21244171/stroke-coronavirus-symptoms-blood-clots
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8023350
     
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    Sterility is apparently a common issue also.
     
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    The county to my north had only had 4 cases for quite a while. Then last week there were two new cases. What did the headline read? A 50% increase in cases! While the math is correct, it sounds much scarier when you write it like that.

    So the percentage of young people who are hospitalized due to covid is very small. Then a percentage of that small number that is hospitalized has not returned to work or are having lingering issues. So a small percentage of an even smaller percentage.

    One of your articles state:
    Wow, all FIVE of them?

    Then several other articles were on things about Covid after effects not related to younger ages. Your last article was about ischemic strokes in younger people in a study that was done years ago that has absolutely nothing to do with covid patients.

    So my conclusion is that you didn't actually read the articles you cited. Not sure what the point of your post was because you didn't back it with anything.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :tombstone::skull: ~ Some people are doom and gloom enthusiasts. They almost seem addicted to negativity , anger and guilt. Go figure ... :confuse:´
     
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    We've really only been talking about infection rates and death rates. I think it is important that we understand the recovery and long term implications of this virus. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Hmmmm... That's weird. Wasn't it Bill Gates that stated he could reduce the worlds population through sterility (anti-fertility) and vaccinations?
     
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    Yep. At the end of the day all the drama is meaningless. The virus will ensure we are better suited as a species in spite of our efforts to prevent it from doing so.
     
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    Their mommies and daddies probably didn't give them enough love and attention when they were children.

    Happens a lot...
     
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    I don't know. But Trump is certainly doing all he can to reduce the world population by getting rid of the elderly using coronavirus.

    And the elderly don't seem to be taking this too nicely. According to polls, Republicans have now lost the majority of support of the population that was considered as "safely" in their pockets: the 65+ population. That's according to the latest.... well... waddaya know... the latest Fox News poll!
     
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    I don't know what you're talking about. Why would the virus ensure we're a "better suited species"? But please start by explaining what "better suited species" means? It will certainly ensure that we are better suited to deal with this virus once we develop the vaccine. But other than that.... I don't know what else you could possibly mean.
     
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    Say rut? It's been democrat governors who have placed infected patients BACK into retirement communities. Are you sure this is this hill you want to die on?

    Cuomo under fire for response to Covid-19 at nursing homes

    AP count: Over 4,500 virus patients sent to NY nursing homes

    Minnesota nursing homes, already the site of 81% of COVID-19 deaths, continue taking in infected patients
     
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    If Trump had his way, the whole country would be a retirement community filled with infected patients.

    Many people made mistakes at the beginning. Because this administration was saying that there they had it under control, instead of making the real information public. In fact, they are still doing exactly that.
     
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    Many people made mistakes because we were lied to from day one, not from the Trump administration, but WHO and the Chinese government. You should direct your anger to the appropriate parties such as WHO, the Chinese government and the decision makers that thought placing infected elderly back into the retirements communities was a good idea. And your right, they are doing exactly that, making poor decisions. If you'l note, the Minnesota article where the democrat governor is STILL placing infected patients into elderly homes was just released on 05/20/20. Again, you should focus your anger in the right direction.
     
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    Theres no such thing as 'safe.' However, the following make me safe enough from Cvirus:
    -i live in a rural area
    -i have good health and a strong immune system
    -i get good nutrition
    -i'm active
    -i'm asocial
     
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    Oh! The way things are going with Trump and his followers trying to pretend the pandemic away I would go for further evolution of the species we’re it not a danger to all

    Who among your nearest and dearest are you willing to lose?
     
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    And still at risk

    More so because the healthcare infrastructure is tenuous in rural areas
     
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    Because you don’t know much about the subject. That’s why I included a link because I knew you didn’t. Read it. It’s interesting.
     
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    We're all at risk all the time. If I was 80 yo living in Seattle with COPD and immunodeficiency, Cvirus would substantially increase my risk of injury or death as a result of merely existing.

    But Im not. Cvirus represents a negligeable increase of my risk of injury or death as a result of merely existing because of the reasons I posted previously. Car accidents and work accidents have long been and are still, by a wide margin, the greater immediate threat to my personal life and health. That is where I'll continue to focus the bulk of my caution and worry.
     
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    And yet we just has a case in a rural community 30 years old test positive post mortem

    This area has NOT been a hotspot and in fact there has only been one other case over two hundred kilometres away recorded since the pandemic began

    That case also seems isolated with no others testing positive in the region

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...ackwater-man-death-rockhampton-nurse/12291484
     
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    If you're suggesting this should cause me to shift any of the focus of my caution and worry from work accidents and car accidents, which both statistically and personally represent a far greater threat to my individual life and health than Cvirus, please explain why.
     
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    This forum needs a LOL button.
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    I don't even know why you mention the WHO. They made mistakes but they were inconsequential to us. The Chinese will have to be dealt with in due time. But what they did would have also been much less consequential to us if we had a real President. But right now we have an incompetent President* who misinformed and is still misinforming us and the governors. Who showed incompetence in dealing with this and made it worse. And is still making it worse. All he needed to do was tell us the truth, and the people, the states, the governors... would have prepared properly.

    You can try to find excuses... but the actions of this President* have cost many lives.
     
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