Some Atheists Say Heaven {Eternity} Would Be Boring. Wrong. Interesting & Exciting

Except that atheism is not a religion.

 

Some sheep are hard of hearing - and don't understand the teachings of Jesus ... what is your excuse ?

 

@Cybred

I say atheism IS a religion and I shall continue to say that
atheism IS a religion and there is nothing that you can
say, think, or do, to prevent me from continuing to say
that atheism is a religion. And I shall announce it with
gusto.
Atheism has a God.
Henry is an atheist.
Henry has a God.
Henry's God is named Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own God.
There is nothing higher in Henry's world than Henry
or other Henry's that share Henryism with Henry such as:
Richard Dookins
Sam Harris
Daniel Dennett
Christopher Hitchens {late}
Matt Dillahunty
Stephen Fry , , ,
other atheists , , ,
, , all these are some of Henry's junior gods.

But Henry's major primary God is Henry and
as long as Henry remains an unbeliever, Henry
will forever be his own God and will experience
the "perish" of John 3:16
{1} believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and Perish
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Atheism is at bottom the human person saying to the
true God, "Get away from me, I want no part of you,
I do not want you telling me how to live my life. I desire
to live my life the way I decide I want to live it, and I do
not want to have anything to do with you, God."

Here is The Religion Of Atheism in a nutshell: I am my own God.


By the way, Henry being his own God is why Henry
will not be in Heaven. Why is that? Because God will
not share His throne with a mere man. That's not hard
to understand --- it simply means that there can only
be one God in Heaven and since Henry is his own
God, he will not be in Heaven.

But it doesn't have to end this way. As long as Henry
has life, he has a choice. Revelation 3:20 says the
Lord Jesus stands at the door and knocks. Henry
has a choice:
{1} open the door and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to open the door remain his mown God.

JAG

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Well atheism is still not a religion, atheists don't think their god, and the actual god that's exists is not that evil.

 

Atheism is a religion.
Atheism functions like a religion.
And function is what matters.
What a man SAYS does not matter.
What a man DOES is what matters.
The word "de facto" comes into play here.
"De Facto" means "in fact" and "in effect" and "for all practical purposes"
So?
So Atheism functions like a religion for all practical purposes.
Atheism does have a God as explained up-thread.
And again here:
"Atheism has a God.
Henry is an atheist.
Henry has a God.
Henry's God is named Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own God.
There is nothing higher in Henry's world than Henry."__JAG
So Atheism is a religion.
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If it looks like a duck
Waddles like a duck.
Quacks like a duck.
Has feathers like a duck.
Then it is a duck.
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And a "rose by another name, is still a rose."
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Atheism functions, for all practical purposes,
like a religion functions -- on the central issue of
having a Supreme Being that functions as God.
Henry the Atheist does have one and Henry's
Supreme Being is named Henry. Fact.

I appreciate you saying that.
You said "the actual god that's exist is not that evil."
So maybe you are NOT an atheist?
I do believe that probably 85% of all the atheists that
I have encountered on the Internet, would disagree with
you and say that the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is evil.
They don't actually believe that God exists, but they
postulate that if the God of the Bible does exist, then He
is evil because He is responsible for the world as it now is,
which is plagued with diseases, natural disasters, pain,
suffering, and death.
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Thanks for your comments.

JAG

 

Atheists don't believe that gods exist, fact. Atheism is not a religion, fact.

 

Incorrect.
Of course, this is the Internet and you can
proclaim your beliefs and I can proclaim my
beliefs.
And I will.
Most likely you will too.
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{1}Atheists DO believe there is a God. Fact.
Romans 1:18-20
{A} The Bible says that people know that God exists
because He has revealed Himself to them, to the
extent that people know there is a God.
Romans 1:18-20
{B} The Bible says that men "suppress the truth."
Romans 1:18-20 presents the germ principle of the
Teleological Argument for the existence of
God -- Intelligent Design.
Men KNOW there is a God -- they suppress this
knowledge and drown it out through pseudo-intellectualism.

{B} Atheism is a religion. Fact.
"Atheism has a God.
Henry is an atheist.
Henry has a God.
Henry's God is named Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own God.
There is nothing higher in Henry's world than Henry.
So Atheism, for all practical purposes, is a religion."___JAG


JAG


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atheist
noun

athe·ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist \
Definition of atheist


: a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

Sorry but reality trumps your belief.

 

Sorry, but my view is that I have the reality
and you do not have the reality.
Also I am perfectly content to allow what I have
posted to stand in contrast to what you have posted.

JAG

 

So the dictionary means nothing to you. Got it.

 

Not that it matters all that much but if you google "the church of atheism"
you will pull up all kinds of stuff and from reputable sites too, like
The Harvard Crimson, and BBC News.

Start quote.

"Christian atheism is a form of cultural Christianity and ethics system
drawing its beliefs and practices from Jesus' life and teachings as
recorded in the New Testament Gospels and other sources, whilst
rejecting supernatural claims of Christianity.

Christian atheism takes many forms: some Christian atheists . ."
End quote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism#Catholicism

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More from BBC News:
"What happens At An Atheist Church?"
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21319945

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Then in a different vein than the above, I maintain
that , , ,

"Atheism is a religion.
Atheism has a God.
Henry is an atheist.
Henry has a God.
Henry's God is named Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own God.
There is nothing higher in Henry's world than Henry.
So Atheism, for all practical purposes, is a religion."___JAG

Best.

JAG

 

Dictionaries are written by men.
They reflect word usage.
Word usage changes constantly.
This is why major dictionaries regularly up-date their dictionaries
with new words and new word connotations based on popular
word usage.
How people use words DOES determine how dictionaries
define words.
If we can get enough people who use the English language
to start using the phrase The Religion Of Atheism, then we
can CHANGE how the dictionary defines the word "atheism."

JAG

 

They will regret being in darkness and seeing others in light. Can they change their situation after death? No they can't because to attain heaven, a person has to open their heart and soul to God and allow Him to come in. This is what is meant by the Kingdom of God is within us.

If a person's heart and soul hasn't opened to God through an acceptance and through a repentance of one's failings, then their minds will continue to be in this world. Think about it? You want to talk to a friend, but there are no friends. You want to go to a movie, but movies do not exist. You want to show some pictures to a person you love, but that person isn't around and there are no pictures. There is nothing!

That is hell!

 

Here's Henry
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Take that you fools of misery.
For I'm a god of lofty see,
that watches you from my great height
and snicker at the motley sight
of lesser beings, not as bright as me.

And if my hubris should offend
Then knowest it will be your end,
for gods like me can never fall.
Oops! - Jeannette




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Sorry but the god that actually exists is not that evil.

Atheists do not believe that gods exist so it is literally impossible for them to have a god.

 

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Marcus Aurelius

 

Correct.
They believe that God exist.
Romans chapter 1 says they do.
I put more stock in Romans 1, than in what you
and they, say.

No.
Henry has god.

"Atheism is a religion.
Atheism has a God.
Henry is an atheist.
Henry's God is named Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own God.
There is nothing higher in Henry's world than Henry.
So Atheism, for all practical purposes, is a religion."___JAG

JAG

 

God is Pure Creation/Love and is unable to negate from His own Creation - but He did give man a free will and does warn us of the consequences of our actions. There are those though who are limited by pride/hubris and cannot accept that which they cannot comprehend - so they made themselves gods in their own right. Kind of like demons I guess, but not as sharp. Too bad!

YEAH!​

 

Cybred - How can someone deny something, without knowing it exists? If I for instance deny my mother, this means that my mother has to exist for me to deny her. Wouldn't it be a rebellion against my mother rather than a belief in her non existence?

In that sense atheism is more of a rebellion against God, rather than a disbelief in God.

 

No it would not be rebellion since you are actually able to interact with your mother.

 

Prove that god exists and atheists will accept that he does.

 

The spatial language references related to Heaven being ‘up’ and Hell being ‘down’ have ancient roots and persist in the majority of popular images in the religions that conceptualize the ‘places’. Depending on the sources, many trace both back to Greek/Roman traditions that reference Mt.Olympus as the home of the Gods and the Hades underworld as the place of the dead.
Many of the indigenous groups I lived with in Mid and South America that were still following ancient traditions of the spiritual realm, often described them as being unseen entities (ancestors and other spirits) that inhabited the same space as the living not unlike the belief systems of the ancient Celts. In both traditions, everything possessed a spirit and consciousness. The Maya believing in different spheres of existence with the underworld playing a major role in the after death experience.

A bit of sarcasm on my part. What you described is not a description I see as universally shared among all followers of the Abraham religion traditions, but seems more a personal belief you share. Ok, if it is a helpful belief for you, I don’t have issue with what works for you.

I have always found the Gender arguments a curious thing. I once knew a fellow, a Guahibo indigenous shamman, living along the Rio Negro, in Southern Venezuela, who believed he was a black panther spirit inhabiting a human body. None of his villagers questioned his fact, and used to refer to him using a Guahibo name (don’t remember it clearly) that basically meant ‘two legged walking panther spirit’. He, BTW, had powers… so everybody believed, of being able to communicate with the spirit world when using specially prepared hallucinogens (a common tradition among many belief systems). One aspect of the Shaman is his perceived abilities provides a source of power, status, and material gain; something common among those that position themselves as authorities in the interpretation, mediation, propagation of ‘secret’ knowledge... think of the power of the Catholic Church throughout European History.
Many Native American groups once had a tradition recognizing (without prejudice) two spirit people; those adopting reversed gender roles. The early European explorer/settlers, of course, used that as another element for judging Native American’s having degenerate notions of morality.

Again, a comment reflecting art and image historically shared among followers of Abrahamic belief traditions. God is often portrayed as male and exhibiting the same motives and flaws as humans (jealousy, anger, capriciousness, etc.). I didn’t use the word clone because I didn’t like what you said, it was a word that to me best represents my interpretation creating man in God’s image.
BTW, there are groups in South America with traditions of non-male creators, some depicted as ‘creator Mothers’ and even one I know where the creator was a snake (a group along the Amazon River, the river being essential to life), still existing in the sky for all to see in the form of the Milky Way.

It was rhetorical, but also represents an alternative genesis common among the thousands of variations of depictions of spirits, Gods and God of the supernatural; most are embellished by human minds when passing along belief systems to others, which is how I perceive your description of Heaven or Dante’s description of Hell.

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Hmm… the age old question… ‘what is consciousness, and does my experience of it cease when I die?’
I would suggest it the root of the question ‘Y I’, the license plate on one of my cars. It is also at the root of the fear of death.
So, tell me, what is Consciousness. Do you fall in the mind/brain dualism camp? Is it the essence of the Soul or as some groups believe, the human spirit?

It’s not a faith based statement, but a statement based in my experience. If an eternity existed before I became conscious of me, I have no observational experience I can relate to, certainly not one passing time and my experience of that eternity doesn’t depend on the existence of a God, with perhaps the possibility that time coincided with my awareness of my existence. I have no knowledge of existence prior to birth. That said, it doesn’t mean I believe one way or the other, I just have no clue how to empirically test that hypothesis.
Hmm… the age old question… ‘what is consciousness, and does my experience of it cease when I die?’
I would suggest it the root of the question ‘Y I’, the license plate on one of my cars.

If that works for you; it doesn’t for me. I don’t have ‘faith’ as you might call it, because to me, the idea of faith, means I must accept and believe the word of other humans of their ‘revelations’ and descriptions of the supernatural. Thomas Paine wrote of this in his essays ‘Age of Reason’.
https://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/reason36.htm
Where he comments, ‘

BTW in one part of his essays ‘Age of Reason’ Paine does a good job as any of laying out inconsistencies in the Bible....logical inconsistencies that wouldn’t exist if it was God inspired.

While I don’t know if there is such a thing as the supernatural, spirits, Gods or God, and don’t discount something of ‘the beyond’, I follow what I see is a more pragmatic way of navigating my existence and experience of it; I don’t need the comfort of placing hope in the continuance of my existence by believing in a supernatural realm or entity. If they exist… I will find it interesting and figure what will be will be. As for meaning, I am comfortable with being the author of meaning for me and don’t project mine on others. I have an insatiable curiosity, and while not having all the answers to satisfy that curiosity, I never stop learning, but I have my own epistemological frame and methodology for my knowledge and means of learning, it doesn’t include accepting the revelations of others without critical assessment within my epistemological frame and methodology for accumulating knowledge which is not dependent on the affirmations of others.
I suspect our epistemological frame and methodologies for acquiring knowledge to be significantly different. And, to me that is ok. I don’t maintain any superiority. What works for me works for me and what works for you works for you, and in my frame of reference, is equally valid. I can always explain how I arrive at my provisional conclusions, and that is the nature of what I share. If it resonates with some, that is ok, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. The only thing I won’t abide, is being coerced into adopting a belief that doesn’t fit my frame of reference nor would I do that to anyone else.
I was trained and worked as an Anthropologist/Archeologist and am published (means little in the grand scheme of things). I have been fortunate to have known, shared with, and debated a far number of those considered authorities (by many) such as Margret Mead, Marvin Harris, Marshall Sahlins, Barbara Price, William Sanders, Normand Hammond, Stephen J. Gould, and even the Baroness, Jane Goodall, among a diverse Group of others others. And, Relevant here, even, Anthony Wallace (author of Religion: an Anthropological View a comparative cross cultural/historic analysis of religions). All have had insights that have contributed to my knowledge base, but none without critical analysis on my part.
I was one of the early pioneers in Geographic Information Systems, teaching one of the first university courses and contributed considerably in it’s theory and practical application.
Now, retired, I work in the study of human spatial cognitive development and it’s basis neurology along with other aspects of neurology in collaboration with multiple universities. Understanding the basis of culture and belief in neural expression are among my interests. This is a rapidly evolving area of science, somewhat being propelled by investment by large interests looking to develop in the areas of neuromorphic engineering/computing (query… ‘True North’ … you might find it interesting).
In my world, knowledge is provisional and ever changing… what makes life interesting to me.

One area I find interesting is progress toward developing autonomous AI, of which, there exists an autonomous emotive robot called Sophia, developed by Hansen Robotics that has grown famous, was granted full citizenship by Saudi Arabia, has spoken at the United Nation, and has even had conversations about God and Religion which many might find interesting. Quite a few videos are available on YouTube which I think will amaze most that check them out. Query using the criteria, ‘Sophia Robot’. Then, add keywords like, God, religion, consciousness, Saudi Arabia. After watching, consider the questions, can AI find belief in God?, what are the spiritual implications of AI? And for those that like Conspiracies, after watching Sophia, query ‘AI singularity’, it is the scary scenario, subject of the warnings of Musk among others. Sophia has an opinion on that as well and is often the source of much of her humor.

 

To be a religion you need three things:
A clergy
Physical meeting places for worship
A moral code on how to live


Atheism has none of that.

 

We disagree.
If there is actually any such thing as an atheist , , ,
Then all you need is to have a god -- a Supreme Being.
Atheism has both.
John is an atheist.
John has a god.
John's god is named John.
John is his own Supreme Being.
Why? , , , Because , , ,
There is nothing higher in John's world than John
So Atheism, for all practical purposes, is a religion."___JAG
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Moreover , , ,
My view is there is no such thing as an atheist.
Romans 1 says that God has revealed Himself to humanity.
That all men know there is a God.
They know this from looking at what God has created.
So that they are without excuse.
Romans 1 also says that men "suppress the truth" that they
possess about God.
My view is they suppress this truth through pseudo-intellectualism
and a way-to-heavy emphasis on Rationalism, Empiricism, and
their personal understand of Science.

JAG

 

Interesting points all around. I believe to get to Hell requires making it you life's work 24/7. I kinda favor the discarded Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. If you believe in God as a loving father then like a loving father by repenting your transgressions you'll be forgiven BUT still punished a bit, not for eternity. Yeah, nothing biblical about it but I lean that way.