Study Shows Significant Link Between Mercury and Autism

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

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    There is research, lots of it. It's just pushed to the side and suppressed.


    Mercury-Thimerosal-Autism Research – 240+ studies (PDF 21.9MB)

    Is just one of many links I can provide.
     
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    It almost certainly won't work with some of them, especially those who have developed an identity in an anti-vaxxer subculture. Others will change their views when having to confront the reality of not being vaccinated--limitations on travel, possible loss of employment or access to schooling.
    Some conspiracies are in their telling small, but this one is of necessity large and would, if true, involve suppressing the truth about vaccine side effects.
    Fortunately, where the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is concerned, we can afford to have a small number of true believers eschew taking a shot.
    I taught school for decades. Stories I have.
     
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    But ... and I emphasize this again ... longitudinal studies of hundreds of thousands of children show no increased incidence of autism for those who have taken vaccines.

    Do you understand this is real world evidence childhood vaccines don't cause autism?
     
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    I know of over 100 children who acquired autism immediately following a vaccination.

    A friend of mine's daughter went into anaphylactic shock immediately following a vaccination, and had started having seizures, and continues to have seizures to this day ( 2 years later ). Thing is, she never was allergic to anything that she was aware of. There is a risk, with vaccines, and the actual frequency of serious injury is being suppressed. I am told that these are 'coincidences' and that 'correlation is not causation', but many studies on vaccines are epidemiological, which are studies to determine if correlation is causation, so it certainly is a possibility.

    NO, I don't know that. The problem with 'studies' (control - cohort types ) is they exclude less than health subjects from the control groups, it's a phenomenon known as "HUB" healthy user bias, which the CDC acknowledges occurs. This skews the results, and, as such, I do not trust them.

    Given the juggernaut mentality in the medical world, which includes you, that 'vaccines are the greatest medical advance of of the last century" inclusive of "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." , that many studies are sponsored by Pharma, and many are epidemiological ( surveys ) I'm extremely reluctant to trust the vaccine makers, knowing that vaccine manufacturers are free from all liability because of the, NCVIA, that over $4 billion has been awarded by the vaccine injury court, I'm inclined to not swallow every pro-vaccine edict that his handed down. this I idea that I can't speak up, ask questions, and I should shut upo and hold out my arm, sorry, I don't buy into it.

    Does this mean I'm against vaccines? Not in principle, but there are vaccines and then there are vaccines and then there is the question of the high frequency of vaccines given to children compared to when I was a child, and does this correlate to the fact that:

    1 in 10 has ADHD
    1 in 12 has asthma
    1 in 12 has food allergies
    1 in 20 has seizures
    1 in 45 boys have autism
    1 in 68 children have autism

    ?

    Noting that ....

    America's infant mortality rate is among the worst in the western developed nations, ranking 33 out of 36 countries,
    with Finland the best, and Mexico, the worst

    https://www.americashealthrankings....nual-report/findings-international-comparison

    While infectious diseases decline, neurodevelopmental disorders are ascending. So, for me, it begs the question, is this high frequency of jabs we are giving to children, are we merely trading one set of disease for another? Is there a net improvement in health?

    I'm not seeing it. Kids today are sicker than ever.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/cusp/201312/young-americans-are-sicker-ever

    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20150608/worlds-population-is-getting-sicker-study-shows

    So, whatever vaccines are doing, one thing they sure as hell are NOT doing, is making us healthier.

    Can we trust pharma?

    http://golombhonik.com/merck-hit-with-antitrust-class-action-over-vaccine-data.html
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204531404577054472253737682
    http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxo...-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

    I'm seeing a real integrity problem with pharma, here, and you BLINDLY want me to inject their chemicals into my body, and don't ask questions? Sorry.

    But, why is there a National Child Vaccine Injury Act, which frees vaccine manufactures of all liability, and forces taxpayers to pay the injury lawsuits (over $4 billion to date ) ?

    It begs the question, why the Act? There is no National Childhood Cough Syrup Injury Act, nor is there
    a National Child Aspirin Injury Act, so why vaccines? In the early 80s, pharma told congress, "if you don't enact a law removing our liability for vaccine research and manufacturing, we will not make them". and so Congress got passed the National Child Vaccine Injury Act. This law means that vaccine makers cannot be sued if their vaccines injure you or your child, and the law established a vaccine court, whereby injured or guardians/parents can sue, and if they win, the taxpayers foot the bill. So far, over $4 billion has been awarded to the vaccine injured. But, all of this begs the question: So,then, how come there is no "National Child Aspirin Injury Act', or no "National Child Cough Syrup Injury Act", etc ?
    There is only one reason: Vaccine makers need the act because they know they will be subject to far more lawsuits than they would receive for their other products, and that can mean only one thing: vaccines are disproportionately unsafe compared to other products by pharma.

    Think about the fact that vaccines are made by manufacturers where the financial incentive of punitive damages to perfect them and make them better, IS REMOVED.

    Let that sink in
     
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    I'm sorry, but I don't believe you. I taught school for decades. We had school nurses administering vaccines (with signed parental consent) and never had these sorts of experiences in our school district.
    Suppressed by whom? Unionized public health nurses? Doctors in private practice? Unionized school teachers supervising students during vaccination clinics?
    One more time ... longitudinal studies on hundreds of thousands of children show increase risk of autism from taking vaccines.
    Hey, if you don't accuse me of willingly hurting students, I won't accuse you of being an anti-vaxxer.
    There are wayyyyy to many people who aren't for sale who would blow the whistle on a coverup.
    But .... one more time .... huge longitudinal studies studies have established there is no increased likelihood of having autism in vaccinated children.
    There tens of millions of Americans with poor or virtually nonexistent healthcare.
    Rather curious illogic. The vaccines appear to make a bad situation better.
    No, nor should we.
    I ask questions, so why would I suggest you do otherwise?
    I wouldn't absolve them of liability.
    Drug companies produce for other markets.
    We're a fraction of the world vaccine market. Let that sink in.

    Growing up, I had measles (both types), chicken pox, and whooping cough, the latter costing me the first half of Grade One. My wife had shingles a few years ago. Our daughter had none of these.
     
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    The American media don't report on anything that goes against the official story.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...germany-in-1933.401955/page-2#post-1066548138

    If they do, it's because people are learning about it through other sources and it's always attempts at damage-control.

    You'll never find any info like this in the mainstream.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ury-and-autism.579730/page-12#post-1072335988
     
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    What on earth are you talking about?

    I looked at your 2016 post complaining about the IHR (International Health Regulations) and you're claiming we don't know about them? Maybe you don't, but no one is hiding them.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/healthprotection/ghs/ihr/index.html
    One more time ... longitudinal studies on hundreds of thousands of children show no increased risk of autism from taking vaccines.

    There was enough concern raised about a possible connection between thimerosal in vaccines and autism to spend a lot of money seeing if there is one.
     
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    The NCVIA proves that vaccines are disproportionately unsafe compared to other pharma products.

    There is no getting around that.

    Moreover, vaccine preventable diseases decline, say in column 'A', but neurodevelopmental conditions incline, in column B.

    So, are we merely trading one set for the other?

    Just asking questions.

    You point to 'studies' which show 'no correlation', but there isn't enough for me to post all the studies that show otherwise, which the med establishment ignores. The best, therefore, can be established, is the truth isn't proven, either way.

    Here is a truncated list, and the first one links to 240 studies

    Mercury-Thimerosal-Autism Research – 240+ studies (PDF 21.9MB)

    Adams 2007 – Mercury, Lead, and Zinc in Baby Teeth of Children with Autism Versus Controls



    Agrawal 2007 – Thimerosal Induces TH2 Responses via Influencing Cytokine Secretion By Human Dendritic Cells



    Barile 2012 – Thimerosal Exposure in Early Life and Neuropsychological Outcomes 7-10 Years Later



    Baskin 2003 – Thimerosal Induces DNA Breaks, Caspase-3 Activation, Membrane Damage, and Cell Death in Cultured Human Neurons and Fibroblasts



    Bernard 2001 – Autism: a novel form of mercury poisoning



    Bernard 2002 – The role of mercury in the pathogenesis of autism



    Bernard 2004 – Association Between Thimerosal-Containing Vaccine and Autism



    Bernard 2008 – Early Thimerosal Exposure and Neuropsychological Outcomes



    Blanusa 2012 – Mercury Disposition in Suckling Rats: Comparative Assessment Following Parenteral Exposure to Thimerosal and Mercuric Chloride



    Blaxill 2004 – Concerns Continue Over Mercury and Autsim



    Blaxill 2004 – Thimerosal and Autism? A Plausible Hypothesis that Should Not Be Dismissed



    Blaylock 2009 – A Possible Central Mechanism In Autism Spectrum Disorders, Part 1



    Blaylock 2009 – A Possible Central Mechanism In Autism Spectrum Disorders, Part 2: Immunoexcitotoxicity



    Blaylock 2009 – Immune-Glutamatergic Dysfunction as a Central Mechanism of the Autism Spectrum Disorders



    Bradstreet 2003 – A Case-Control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders



    Branch 2009 – Gender-selective Toxicity of Thimerosal



    Burbacher 2005 – Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal



    Carneiro 2014 – A Systematic Study of the Disposition and Metabolism of Mercury Species in Mice After Exposure to Low Levels of Thimerosal (ethylmercury)



    Carneiro 2015 – Thimerosal Induces Apoptotic and Fibrotic Changes to Kidney Epithelial Cells In Vitro



    Cave 2008 – The History of Vaccinations in the Light of the Autism Epidemic



    Chen 2013 – Effect of Thimerosal on the Neurodevelopment of Premature Rats



    Choi 2016 – Ethylmercury-Induced Oxidative snd Endoplasmic Reticulum Stress-Medicates Autophagic Cell Death: Involvment of Autophagosome – Lysosome Fusion Arrest



    Colman 2003 – Mercury in Infants give Vaccines Containing Thimerosal



    Crowe 2016 – Mercury as an Environmental Stimulus in the Development of Autoimmunity – A Systematic Review



    de Olivera Souza 2016 – A Brain Proteome Profile in Rats Exposed to Methylmercury of Thimerosal (ethylmercury)



    Desoto 2010 – Sorting Out the Spinning of Autism: Heavy Metals and the Question of Incidence



    Deth 2007 – How environmental and genetic facts combine to cause autism: A redox/methylation hypothesis



    Dorea 2008 – Hair Mercury concentrations in Korean Infants Could Be Influenced by Thimerosal-containing Vaccines



    Dorea 2008 – Modeling NeurodevelopmentOutcomes and Ethylmercury Exposure from Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines



    Dorea 2009 – Comparing Fish-mercury Exposed Amazonian Children: Should We Not Consider Thimerosal-preserved Vaccines?



    Dorea 2009 – Neonate Exposure to Thimerosal Mercury from Hepatitis B Vaccines



    Dorea 2010 – Infants’ Exposure to Aluminum from Vaccines and Breast Milk During the First 6 Months



    Dorea 2010 – Making Sense of Epidemiological Studies of Young children Exposed to Thimerosal in Vaccines



    Dorea 2011 – Integrating Experimental (In Vitro and In Vivo) Neurotoxicity Studies of Low-dose Thimerosal Relevant to Vaccines



    Dorea 2012 – Multiple Toxic Heavy Metals and Neonatal Neurobehavior in china Require Considering Co-exposure to Thimerosal-ethylmercury and Adjuvant-aluminum



    Dorea 2013 – Low-Dose Mercury Eposure in Early Life : Relavance of Thimerosal to Fetuses, Newborns and Infants



    Dorea 2014 – Canine Hair as a Model for Tracing Ethylmercury from Thimerosal-containing Vaccines



    Dorea 2014 – Premature and Neonate Modeling of Thimerosal Exposure and Neurodevelopment: Additional Comments



    Dorea 2015 – Exposure to Mercury and Aluminum in Early Life: Developmental Vulnerability as a Modifying Factor in Neurologic and Immunologic Effects



    Dorea 2017 – Abating Mercury Exposure in Young Children Should Include Thimerosal-Free Vaccines



    Dorea 2017 – Low-dose Thimerosal in Pediatric Vaccines: Adverse Effects in Perspective



    Drum 2009 – Are Toxic Biometals Destroying Your Children’s Future?



    Duszczyk-Budhathoki 2012 – Administration of Thimerosal to Infant Rats Increases Overflow of Glutamate and Aspartate in the Prefrontal Cortex: Protective Role of Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate



    Eke 2008 – Genotoxicity of Thimerosal in Cultured Human Lymphocytes with and without Metabolic activation Sister Chromatid Exchange Analysis Proliferation Index and Mitotic Index



    Elferink 1998 – The Effect of Thimerosal on Neutrophil Migration



    Elferink 1999 – Thimerosal_ A versatile sulfhydryl Reagent, Calcium Mobilizer, and Cell Function-modulating Agent



    Epstein 2009 – Comparative Toxicity of Preservatives on Immortalized Corneal and Conjunctival Epithelial Cells



    Evans 2000 – Regulation Of Sodium Currents Through Oxidation and Reduction of Thiol Residues



    Fagan 1977 – Organ Mercury Levels in Infants With Omphaloceles Treated With organic Mercurial Antiseptic



    Freitag 1980 – Ethylmercurithiosalicylate – A New Reagent For the Study of Phosphate Transport in Mitochondria



    Gadad 2013 – Neuropathology and Animal Models of Autism: Genetic and Environmental Factors



    Gallagher 2010 – Hepatitis B Vaccination of Male Neonates and Autism Diagnoses, NHIS 1997-2002



    Garrecht 2011 – The plausibility of role for mercury in the etiology of autism: a cellular perspective
     
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    Why can't you get your head around the study of hundreds of thousands of people that showed no difference in the amount autism between vaccinated and unvaccinated children?
    Wrong. Vaccines with or without thimerosal don't cause autism.
     
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    No, that's not what I'm saying. I recommend you read Tetyana Obukhanych's book "The Vaccine Illusion". Here's the description of her kindle book from amazon.com:
    **
    Due to the growing number of vaccine safety concerns, our society has been polarized into vaccine advocates and vaccine opponents. However, in the debate over vaccine safety, we have lost sight of a bigger problem: how vaccination campaigns wipe out our herd immunity and endanger the very young. Written by an immunologist, Vaccine Illusion explains why vaccines cannot give us lasting immunity to infectious diseases and how they jeopardize our natural immunity and overall health.
    **
    Source: https://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Illusion-ebook/dp/B007AW2CLG
     
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    Quoting from your link:
    "A 2013 CDC study [PDF – 7 pages]external icon added to the research showing that vaccines do not cause ASD."

    That study has its first author listed as Frank Destefano, MD, MPH. Here's something that you and/or some in the audience may not know about this man:
    **
    Why Are the Same People Who Failed at Science on Agent Orange in Charge of Vaccine Safety and Developmental Disorders at the CDC?

    When historians write about the Vaccine Decades (1976–2020), there are two names that will live in infamy: Dr. Frank DeStefano, and Dr. Coleen Boyle.

    In the 1980s, Congress mandated Agent Orange studies. Frank and Coleen ended the studies two years early, insuring that “no link” would be found between illnesses being reported by injured veterans and dioxin. The early termination of the study allowed the US Department of Veterans Affairs to deny any connection between Agent Orange and medical problems, preventing veterans and their families from qualifying for compensations. Here’s your hurt, what’s your hurry. The Boyle/Destefano team bamboozle was outed by Admiral Zumwalt who went to the President and laid out the science in a classified report (now declassified):

    Without exception, the experts who reviewed the work of the Advisory Committee disagreed with its findings and further questioned the validity of the Advisory Committee’s review of studies on non — Hodgkin’s lymphomas .

    a decision which should have been based on scientific data was reduced to vague impressions”

    [One impartial review team’s results were] “a stunning indictment of the Advisory Committee’s scientific interpretation and policy judgments”


    “1987 Followup Examination Results,” described statistically significant increases in health problems among Ranch Handers including all cancers

    The work of the Veterans’ Advisory Committee on Environmental Hazards, as documented in their November 2, 1989 transcript, has little or no scientific merit, and should not serve as a basis for compensation or regulatory decisions of any sort.
    **

    Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...afety-and-developmental-disorders-at-the-cdc/
     
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    Found 2 articles that reference the meta analysis study your linked article references. Quoting from the first:
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    Every study in the meta-analysis (which is basically a study looking at a larger sample of other studies) Dr. Gordon provided to support his view that vaccines don’t cause autism was either a thimerosal study or an MMR study, in all cases comparing heavily vaccinated children to heavily vaccinated children. More specifically, six of the studies looked at MMR vaccine and four of the studies looked at thimerosal. Did any studies look at any other vaccine or in any way consider the mounting biological evidence implicating vaccine adjuvants in autism that I discuss here? Did any of the studies have any sample of children who had received no vaccines? No, not even a little. One of the parents to whom Dr. Gordon sent the email responded swiftly, making many of the same points I have made in this post:
    --The abstract/review article you sent me below highlights the concern raised that there has never been a study assessing the rela- tive risk of autism between vaccinated and unvaccinated child. To be sure, this review (and its abstract) leave the impression that the studies it relies upon compare “unvaccinated” children (no vaccines) with vaccinated children. Unfortunately, this is misleading since all 10 of the underlying studies relied upon for this review compared highly vaccinated children with highly vaccinated children. The only difference typically between the study and control groups was a single MMR vaccine or thimerosal vs. non-thimerosal vaccines. (I would be happy to provide you with a breakdown of each of the 10 studies reflecting same.) Meaning, what this review considers “unvaccinated” are vaccinated children typically only missing the MMR vaccine. Assuming the control children in these studies followed the current CDC recommended vaccination schedule, they would each have received 21 vaccine injections during the first 12 months of life excluding the MMR vaccine. Hence, these studies tell us virtually nothing about the relationship of vaccines to autism because they are not comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children.--

    **
    Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines-and-autism-is-the-science-really-settled/


    Quoting from the 2nd:
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    Regarding the meta-review by Taylor ‘Vaccines are not associated with autism’ [5] which you cited I note that there are just six MMR related studies included all of which have major problems. Three of the studies show apparent protective effect of MMR vaccines against autism (Madsen 8% [6], Smeeth 14% or 22% [7] and Mrozek-Budzyn 83%!!! [8]) which suggests bias. Of the Madsen paper Cochrane 2005 warned [9]:

    “The follow up of diagnostic records ends one year (31 Dec 1999) after the last day of admission to the cohort. Because of the length of time from birth to diagnosis, it becomes increasingly unlikely that those born later in the cohort could have a diagnosis”

    It remains troubling that as with a number of studies from this Danish group the co-ordinator on behalf of US Centers for Diseases Control, Poul Thorsen, is wanted for financial fraud from the CDC, though not extradited to the US now after nearly 8 years [10].

    Of the De Stefano paper Cochrane commented [9]:

    “The conclusion, however, implied bias in the enrollment of cases which may not be representative of the rest of the autistic population of the city of Atlanta, USA where the study was set.”

    And indeed in 2014 the paper was repudiated by one of the leading authors, William Thompson [11]:

    “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”

    The study by Smeeth [14] is compromised by its patchy data source, the General Practice Research Database where the autism rate represented is perhaps only one tenth of cases diagnosed [12]. Cochrane commented [9]:

    “In the GPRD – based studies (Black 2003; Smeeth 2004) the precise nature of controlled unexposed to MMR and their generalisability was impossible to determine…”

    It remains problematic whether the unvaccinated in this study were genuinely unvaccinated.

    Of the Uchiyama study [13] Cochrane commented [14]:

    “The cohort study of Uchiyama 2007 was potentially affected by a different type of bias, considering that the participants were from a private clinic and that definitions of applied Autistic Spectrum Disorders (ASD) diagnosis and of methods used for ASD regression ascertainment were not clearly reported.”

    And the Uno study [15] will suffer from similar issues since the cases came from the same clinic. Moreover, in both instances the studies were far too small (904 persons and 413) to necessarily provide any clear result even if they had been better controlled.

    Nor can the Taylor meta-analysis [5] cover up the entire absence of pre-marketing studies. In 1988-9 when the British government was persuaded to introduce Pluserix, MMR2 and Imravax there were no safety studies at all, and successive governments have been forced into the defence of a policy which they had embarked on without safety evidence…

    [5] Luke E Taylor et al, ‘Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies’, Vaccine 2014,

    [6] Madsen et al, ‘A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism’, NEMJ 2002,

    [7] Smeeth et al, ‘MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study.’ Lance 2004,

    [8] Mrozek-Budzyn et al, ‘Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study.’ Pediatric Infectious Diseases Journal 2010,

    [9] Demicheli et al, ‘Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children.’, Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2005 Oct 19;(4):CD004407.

    [10] Office of Inspector General, US Department of Health and Human Services, Fugitive Profiles,

    [11] Statement of William W. Thompson, Ph.D., Regarding the 2004 Article Examining the Possibility of a Relationship Between MMR Vaccine and Autism

    [12] John Stone, ‘An old story: the GPRD does not provide credible autism data’ 11 February 2014 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/10/e003219.responses

    [13] Uchiyama et al, ‘MMR-vaccine and regression in autism spectrum disorders: negative results presented from Japan.’ J Autism Dev Disord. 2007 Feb;37(2):210-7.

    [14] Demicheli et al, ‘Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children.’, Cochrane Systematic Review – Intervention Version published: 15 February 2012,

    [15] Uno et al, ‘The combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines and the total number of vaccines are not associated with development of autism spectrum disorder: the first case-control study in Asia’, Vaccine. 2012 Jun 13;30(28):4292-8. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2012.01.093. Epub 2012 Apr 20.
    **

    Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...s-challenged-about-vaccine-safety-and-autism/
     
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    I wondered where this was going. Mercury accumulates in your body over one's lifetime .. from eating tuna for example.

    So you have it in you - and the amount ingested by taking the vaccine is not a significant contribution to the total.. Obviously no increase to the total is a good thing - but it is a risk reward thing.. and it is not a significant increase - at least not for one shot - you may have a case for over a lifetime though - it all depends on how much Mercury we are talking about.

    And this is why we should be building Pipelines .. instead of purchasing oil from Nigeria and shipping it here by tanker - as Nigeria is a massive Ocean Polluter - Heavy Metals / Persistent Organic Pollutants - Fertilizer - Sewage and so on. The Mercury for example gets into the Fish and bioaccumulates..
     
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    I certainly agree that we need to watch out in terms of eating certain fish, especially in places with a significant amount of pollution. Before Robert F. Kennedy started focusing more on mercury in vaccines, he spent a lot of time on mercury in fish. Here's an article from his site on what to watch out for in fish:
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/known-culprits/mercury/mercury-facts/mercury-in-fish/

    That being said, there are some key differences when it comes to vaccines, differences that tend to make them more dangerous than eating fish. For starters, they are injected, not ingested. Secondly, vaccines don't -just- contain mercury. Some who have been following the Covid 19 vaccines will have noted the issue of polyethylene glycol or PEG. However, before this became a concern, there was polysorbate. Even the CDC links the 2:
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    Who should not get vaccinated
    • If you have had a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) or an immediate allergic reaction—even if it was not severe—to any ingredient in an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, you should not get an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.*
    • If you have had a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) or an immediate allergic reaction—even if it was not severe—after getting the first dose of the vaccine, you should not get another dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.*
    • An immediate allergic reaction means a reaction within 4 hours of getting vaccinated, including symptoms such as hives, swelling, or wheezing (respiratory distress).
    • This includes allergic reactions to polyethylene glycol (PEG) and polysorbate. Polysorbate is not an ingredient in either mRNA COVID-19 vaccine but is closely related to PEG, which is in the vaccines. People who are allergic to PEG or polysorbate should not get an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.
    **
    Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Moderna.html


    Research has been done regarding polysorbate in the past. An interesting finding:
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    Research by Burbacher and colleagues compared blood and brain mercury levels in monkeys exposed to methylmercury and ethylmercury. That work showed that ethylmercury, in particular, goes to the brain, gets metabolized into even more toxic inorganic mercury and remains in the brain for years. Moreover, some common flu vaccines contain the emulsifier polysorbate 80, which disrupts the blood-brain barrier and helps create an extremely effective delivery system for escorting neurotoxic ethylmercury and other heavy metals straight to the brain.
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    Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...between-mercury-and-autism-spectrum-disorder/

    This is only one of the many chemicals in vaccines. As as JB Handley mentions in another article, there are a lot more ingredients in vaccines than that. Quoting from his article:
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    Here’s a complete list of every vaccine American children receive. I’ve bolded the one that has been studied for its relationship to autism: hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, polio, flu, MMR, varicella, hepatitis A, meningococcal, and HPV (teenagers).

    And here are all thirty-eight vaccine ingredients. Once again I’ve bolded the one that has been studied for its relationship to autism: 2-Phenoxyethanol, albumin, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum potassium sulfate, amino acids, ammonium sulfate, antibiotics, bovine components, bovine serum, chick embryo cell culture, culture, detergent, dextrose, enzymes, formaldehyde, gelatin, glutaraldehyde, human components, human embryonic cells, lactalbumin hydrolysate, medium 199, mineral salts, monosodium l-glutamate, phenol, phosphate, polymixin B sulfate, polysorbate-80, potassium aluminum sulfate, potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic, sodium borate, sodium chloride, sodium phosphate dibasic, sorbitol, soy peptone, sucrose, thimerosal, vero (monkey kidney) cells, and yeast protein.

    Do you really think it’s reasonable to say, “Case closed; we’ve studied vaccines and autism”
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    Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines-and-autism-is-the-science-really-settled/
     
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    No surprise here. There is a reason the hatter went mad.
     
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    You are partially preaching to the choir in terms of the effects of Mercury - and the possibility of other side effects from vaccines is well known -- it is more a matter of how many will be affected and how bad.
     
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    You seem to feel quite entitled and to come on this board and demand from other people what you could easily find for yourself. Why? Ditch the attitude. No one has to prove anything to you unless they assert something. Since you advocate the position that any amount of mercury consumed is dangerous prove it.
     
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    Before anyone quotes RFK Jr. he is not a scientist. His niece who is an immunologist completely repudiated his comments and so has the medical community.
     
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    This sounds something like the claim that silver fillings in our teeth are not harmful.

    The obvious truth is that heavy metals inside the human body are harmful.

    Ingest a wee bit of Mercury and see how long you live. Better yet, give a wee bit to your cat or dog and see how long he lasts.
     
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    And he respectfully rebutted his niece's claims, but NYT would not print his rebuttal.
     
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    Hmm.. Well, that was unexpected. A random support group get called up to defend the use of mercury? That sounds implausible. But sure.
     
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    Obvious truth

    You clearly do not understand what mercury is.

    Mercury in fish or in the compound used for a filling is NOT the same as what might be used in certain vaccines.

    Thimerosal, which is the organic compound used as a preservative in only some vaccines, in fact breaks down in the body into ethyl mercury. Our bodies remove ethyl mercury so it it does NOT accumulate in our bodies. This is very different from methyl mercury, found in in specific trace amounts in fish or the compound used for fillings. Methyl mercury which you clearly do not understand is not the same as ethyl mercury is the type of mercury our bodies has a problem removing and so can accumulate to levels that may pose a health risk.

    Thimerosal (ethyl mercury) and methyl mercury are NOT the same. These two types of mercurcy are different molecules are structurally different and behave differently in our bodies.

    Your assumption all mercury is the same and is automatically dangerous once it enters your body is nonsensical.
     
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    What does that mean? If you have proof Thimerosal used in vaccines is toxic or lethal, prove it. You make that assertion prove it. Stop deflecting. Either prove your allegation or move on.
     
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    https://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/thimerosal-mercury/mercury-vaccines/
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/pa...downloads/vacsafe-thimerosal-color-office.pdf
    https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/thimerosal

    The above present 3 easy to read explanations about what is in a vaccine some of you believe is the same mercurcy in fish or in a tooth filling. Can you at least make an effort to find out what is in a vaccine and why.

    As well if you want to pose as an expert on mercury and contend its dangerous in vaccines, put up or shut up.

    People's lives depend on taking vaccines. Spreading ignorant rumours based on false assumptions is not the way to handle such a topic.
     

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